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[HITMAN629]

Tyranniac wrote...

 Just wanted to take a moment to say how proud I am to call myself a part of this community right now (Wow... didn't think I'd ever say that...), the amount of support, unity, generosity, intelligence and dedication here is very inspiring, and just about the only think cheering me up after the ending. I have my doubts that this will work out, but I keep hoping.

A few reminders:
1. Stay friendly and civil. We don't want to be percieved the wrong way!
2. Try to avoid conspiracy theories here, it's not what we are about and could harm what we are trying to accomplish!
3. Remember, we want the ending fixed because we love Mass Effect, and we trusted BioWare. Don't judge them before they've made a statement.
4. Keep up the good work!

Hold the line!

Right there with you.

Hold The Line!

[julian08]

cotheer wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Also interesting.

As noble as it is (the charity work), i don't think we should be throwing it into their face 
just to justify what we do here on this thread. 

Yeah, it's a good thing to do and I fully support it. But throwing it around like that just looks like bragging, and that is not the impression we should give.

[hector7rau]

Larask wrote...

I am pretty sure this has been posted already, but it hard to review all the pages I have missed so here it goes. Another Forbes article defending us and responding to what Colin (IGN) said:

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

[Nilofeliu]

rexil wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...
I don’t think I have ever been so vocal over a work of fiction before.

Me neither... but taking a stance once in while feels good, doesn't it?^^

I´ve done that once before with Star Wars Galaxies and the NGE. We all know how that ended, and honestly, I don't see much difference from what is going on here. I will not give up nor silence myself, but I do not hope for anything at all right now.

Actually, I do hope for one thing. I wish there were a group of programers that could in fact mod the game, so we could not only have our endings, but as many "side quests" as we want in the Mass Effect universe. If by any chance Bioware gave us a modding tool such as the one from DA:O, I would be happy enough...

They can't dot that, they don't own ME engine, Epic Games does.

I know....
Then all is lost....

vrumpt wrote...

Thats the second tweet i've seen about thanking somebody for having faith in Bioware still. Maybe they actually do have something up their sleeve, or maybe its just them asking for forgiveness now, for future games they'll release.

They do have something up their collective a....

But it is not what we are hoping for...

/Salute

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 13 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Tassadarus]

Dear BioWare/Mass Effect Team

Have you ever read “The Ethics of Computer Games” by Miguel Sicart? If not I’ll fill you in. What it basically says that a proper, ethical and morally challenging game should have is decisions that have an impact on a story. No light side – dark side points, no rewards for being naughty or being nice. ME only had your choices reward you by unlocking dialogue options. This means you were more or less on the target. So I play the game and see how I get good results for uniting the galaxy because of my choices. I’m happy so far. I fight to get to Catalyst (Catalyst story being a magical solution and therefore being implausible) when I get hit by Harbinger. OMG the scene where you bleed but struggle on... Fantastic! And then you get to the Catalyst Kid... That’s where it completely falls apart. My choices DON’T matter... Only EMR matters and we can argue whether the choices you make influence the maximum number of EMR point you can collect. You give me Deus Ex options and you NULLIFY everything you have worked towards up until that point. It reminds me of a joke about a man who swims across the ocean, get 100m from the coast and says: “I’m tired!” and turns back. Was so hard to finish it properly? You can’t argue with the Catalyst, you can’t ignore him... If he controls the Reapers couldn’t Shepard sacrifice himself by ordering an attack on the Citadel to destroy the Catalyst? And if you REALLY got everything right, can’t your squad or your LI come to save you in the last moment? Instead we get three ending with truly flawed logic behind them and three differently colored animations...

Modifié par Tassadarus, 13 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Zaki1991]

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265 maybe the true ending? I dont know, but i'm sure it's much better than what we have

Modifié par Zaki1991, 13 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Siegdrifa]

Larask wrote...

I am pretty sure this has been posted already, but it hard to review all the pages I have missed so here it goes. Another Forbes article defending us and responding to what Colin (IGN) said:

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

Yes it was, let me fix the link for you.

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

[Thore2k10]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Eumerin wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Hard to keep up with this thread, so if this was already posted, sorry.  Adam Sessler of G4 talking about the ednings, dlc, same sex, etc

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721696/mass-effect-3-the-ending-dlc-and-same-sex-relationships-sesslers-soapbox/

One of the less knee-jerk critic reactions to our outporing. However, I have to wonder why so many of the "vidyagame critics" out there are pretty generally against what we're doing.

Probably in part because its a slippery slope.  The first time is always the hardest.  After that, it gets easier.  No matter how bad the ending was, the fact that a major developer/publisher (like Bioware and EA) could be pressured into changing the ending will potentially have serious repercussions throughout the industry.

At least half (and probably more) of the stuff that people complain about in video game forums pretty much amounts to whining.  Yes, some of it is actually constructive, but a lot of it is nonsense.  The problem is that most of the people who post that nonsense really do think that they're being constructive.  What those in the know fear is that every time a game ending is less than satisfactory, players are going to say, "The Mass Effect fans got Bioware to change the end of ME3.  I bet we can get (just to pick an example not entirely at random) Black Isle to change the end of Planescape: Torment too!"  Games with endings that are perfectly fine but don't have unicorns and rainbows will get protested by fans because they didn't have unicorns and rainbows.

In short, Bioware and EA are pretty much screwed no matter what happens at this point.  If it was intentional, and Bioware plans to release the "real" ending in a couple of weeks (strongly doubt it, personally), then things have already spiraled out of control and the announcement of such will be seen by fans as cover to hide a capitulation.  If Bioware and EA ignore the fuss, then there will likely be an anti-Bioware backlash which will reduce the value of Bioware as a brandname.  And if Bioware and EA give in, then everyone will know that EA caved once...  and will realize that EA might cave again in the future.

I don't think that's true. Just remember that the "Slippery Slope" argument is a logical fallacy.

i think it comes a bit with the gameplay, this game is build a great part on building and caring about relationships with the other charakters. you laugh, get mad, are sad because of your actions and the way the game presents itself. a call of duty could never bring up emotions like that!

therefore the players are more connected to the game and unhappy when all they can do is lose, no matter how hard they try! even worse every!!!! promise the developers made about the "grande finale" was broken, "so hell yeah i joined the resistance"

by the way, sry for any mistakes. english is not my mother tongue:innocent:

Modifié par Thore2k10, 13 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[laughing sherpa girl]

VerdantSF wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

Still laughing... At last after so long.. Good job people...

This... so much THIS.  How could this get past the creative team?!  How were there not enough dissenting voices in various meetings to stop this from becoming the actual ending?

I made it my desktop background.. better than a picture

[ArmyKnifeX]

Eumerin wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
I don't think that's true. Just remember that the "Slippery Slope" argument is a logical fallacy.

Er...  what?

Given that it's not hard to find slippery slopes in the real world (usually after the fact...), I think you need to elaborate.

From 
http://www.theskepti...lfallacies.aspx 

Slippery Slope
This logical fallacy is the argument that a position is not consistent or tenable because accepting the position means that the extreme of the position must also be accepted. But moderate positions do not necessarily lead down the slippery slope to the extreme.  

[thedistortedchild]

 Just thought I would share

[Aramina]

https://twitter.com/...672264692871168

Kinda expected a response like that, but still...hope lives on.

Modifié par Aramina, 13 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[Alamandorious]

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Agreed.  Say what you will about the ending, the previous two games and the bulk of the third were masterful.

[Matt_gekko88]

See, that's what I meant.

[morph4037]

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Preferably someone that can be articulate and represent our side without using the word "demand".

Modifié par morph4037, 13 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Trojan_33]

s8383783 wrote...

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

Arguments from others claiming me to be an entitled gamer brat, that wants a new ending because it wasn't "Disney" enough

And Bioware saying nothing!
I just..can't....
(Just finished the game btw)

The "hallucination theory people" are just trying to find a way for Bioware to have not royally screwed up the ending. They actually have some valid points to because there is evidence that something is wrong at the end. I myself ascribe to the ID/dream/hallucination theory simply because I can't beleive that the same writers who brought the genophage cure to a close with Mordin's scene wrote that last 5 minutes to be the real end.

[MrAtomica]

Hey Matt, or anyone else with a Twitter account, can you please post their response? I assume that that is what was linked, but I have no desire to set up an account just to read a one-liner. If you could post it, that'd be great. Thanks!

[Dorfgonewild81]

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

Sorry, I am still a few pages behind, but this was awesome!  lol 

[Tamcia]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

VerdantSF wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

Still laughing... At last after so long.. Good job people...

This... so much THIS.  How could this get past the creative team?!  How were there not enough dissenting voices in various meetings to stop this from becoming the actual ending?

I made it my desktop background.. better than a picture

lol whoever wrote that is a genius!

[spacefiddle]

Nilofeliu wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...
I don’t think I have ever been so vocal over a work of fiction before.

Me neither... but taking a stance once in while feels good, doesn't it?^^

I´ve done that once before with Star Wars Galaxies and the NGE.

Ooof - condolences.  No one should have to go through that twice .

I think they're (the devs) just kinda in shock right now.  Once the defensiveness wears off, I think they can read over these points, concerns, freak-outs and ideas with an open mind.  Whether they will choose to, want to, or be allowed by EA to do anything about it remains to be seen.

SO MUCH about the ending was promising right up until the final moments... the desperate charge, limping along with the pistol, your armor clearly melted and partially blasted off... er, you know, it just dawned on me, if you choose the 2001 option that isn't "commit genocide" or "make myself God," you make everyone just like the Illusive Man was revealed to be.   /scratchhead

I keep trying to detatch from my disappointment about the fate of Shepard and like the ending on more artistic merits, but I can't.  It's their own fault for setting a bar so high; reusing old themes just doesn't do it justice.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Zaki1991 wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265 maybe the true ending? I dont know, but i'm sure it's much better than what we have

That ending, while more varied, STILL doesn't provide closure and completely ignores the Dark Energy foreshadowing from ME2. I don't think i'd be very happy with that ending, either.

Maybe.. just maybe... by making an ending as terrible as they did, BioWare can now justify to EA why they need more funding (and the initial sales will help) to make a proper ending.

[vboy23]

quinitii @masseffect Have you seen ME3 fans raising money for Child's Play here http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play ? Retweeting would really help! #RetakeME3 #ME3

masseffect @quinitii We're very impressed with the community's charity. Child's Play is a wonderful cause.

[Claym0re]

Tyranniac wrote...

Hold the line!

Personally i prefer to get the job done and go home.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

morph4037 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Preferably someone that can be articulate and represent our side without using the word "demand".

My thoughts exactly, thank you and Alamandorious for agreeing! 

Now, is there anyone who would be interested in this?

[ArmyKnifeX]

morph4037 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Preferably someone that can be articulate and represent our side without using the word "demand".

Why should we shy away from the word demand? It's what we're doing, after all. And we have good reason to do it, too. It's a word as strong as our feelings. We're being kind, but we're not "kindly asking".