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[laughing sherpa girl]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

sanmar wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

s8383783 wrote...

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

Arguments from others claiming me to be an entitled gamer brat, that wants a new ending because it wasn't "Disney" enough

And Bioware saying nothing!
I just..can't....
(Just finished the game btw)

The "hallucination theory people" are just trying to find a way for Bioware to have not royally screwed up the ending. They actually have some valid points to because there is evidence that something is wrong at the end. I myself ascribe to the ID/dream/hallucination theory simply because I can't beleive that the same writers who brought the genophage cure to a close with Mordin's scene wrote that last 5 minutes to be the real end.

This theory helps me a lot to deal with the ending.

I replayed the beginning yesterday. The vent the kid hides in is a dead end. it doesnt have a way out. The kid was never real.

I don't see how a duct for blowing air around would be a dead end...

Me neither. But i have seen blocked off vent tubes in office buildings.. But perhaps it was just a kludge on the modelers part hoping to bypass any scrutiny we the fans might give it.

[Nilofeliu]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

morph4037 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Preferably someone that can be articulate and represent our side without using the word "demand".

My thoughts exactly, thank you and Alamandorious for agreeing! 

Now, is there anyone who would be interested in this?

heh. I already stated i know myself to be a reactionary and not a good fit fort the task. But at least i can be honest about it.  Yes please, we need a spokes-person

We need a lawyer...

Ranorm wrote...

For what it's worth, I'm adding my voice to this. I just...I can't actually bring myself to play past those final conversations because I already know the ending(s (seeing as they are pretty much identical)).

So what...the series ends not with a bang but a whimper?

That's...just not right. Not right at all

ACtually it is a BIG BANG, as big as it can get.

It is the sum of all our voices screaming in unison...

And so loud it is that Bioware has no other choice but to hear it, though they may choose not to listen to it..

Hold the Line People....

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 13 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Alamandorious]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

morph4037 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Preferably someone that can be articulate and represent our side without using the word "demand".

My thoughts exactly, thank you and Alamandorious for agreeing! 

Now, is there anyone who would be interested in this?

heh. I already stated i know myself to be a reactionary and not a good fit fort the task. But at least i can be honest about it.  Yes please, we need a spokes-person

I would be able to.  I'm pretty good at keeping a level head about these things; I just don't know if I have the time >.<

[sumo390]

wright1978 wrote...

Tamcia wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

VerdantSF wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

Still laughing... At last after so long.. Good job people...

This... so much THIS.  How could this get past the creative team?!  How were there not enough dissenting voices in various meetings to stop this from becoming the actual ending?

I made it my desktop background.. better than a picture

lol whoever wrote that is a genius!

That made me smile for the first time in days

This is so good it's worthy of a quote pyramid

[Darth Garrus]

Tyranniac wrote...

I'll just repeat this once more: Please, please be civil and don't give the wrong impression, especially on twitter. Be constructive.

Exactly. But BW shouldn't fish for a harsh comment to have a reason to shut this all down. People have to maintain class, but they have to stop being ironic.

[spacefiddle]

AND NOW A MUCH NEEDED HAPPY MOMENT FOR ALL OF US

[Tamcia]

One other thing - I can't believe ME team would be satisfied with that ending. It goes against the whole trilogy - the ideas, the feeling, the options - it's polar opposite. It's like baking an awesome cake, but you put some old expired frosting and you ruin the whole thing - who would be satisfied with something like that!?

[Darth_Acheron47]

xPandax wrote...

Ranorm wrote...

For what it's worth, I'm adding my voice to this. I just...I can't actually bring myself to play past those final conversations because I already know the ending(s (seeing as they are pretty much identical)).

So what...the series ends not with a bang but a whimper?

That's...just not right. Not right at all

let's hope for the best. this game deserves a much better ending then that.
i hope the rumors are true and they got a plan b already

Yeah, me too. If this is intentional, it's quite possibly brilliant. (Mirroring what's going on the whole game by making it seem like all these people/countries/etc. have to come together to fight a hopeless cause...)

If not, well... Then it's just miserable.

[Relwyn]

The first thing I did in ME2 was re-start the game to go for a second playthrough. I can't bring myself to doing the same with ME3, knowing what the end of the game is like. I'll enjoy myself all the way up until I get grazed by Harbinger's beam and knocked out. And that's ladies and gentlemen, what they call a buzzkiller.

I am keeping my hopes up that BioWare will fix this, the loyal fan of BW in me says that they will. The Skeptic in me says that they'll brush this under the rug. Fast. 

Sadly the sheer silence and the bad PR makes BioWare lose a lot of credibility, and it's sinking as fast as a rock sinks when you throw it into the ocean. The silence from the devs of ME or even the higher-ups of BioWare does nothing to reassure the fans of the company that things will be sorted out. 

Modifié par Relwyn, 13 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Aiden_Cora]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

sanmar wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

s8383783 wrote...

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

Arguments from others claiming me to be an entitled gamer brat, that wants a new ending because it wasn't "Disney" enough

And Bioware saying nothing!
I just..can't....
(Just finished the game btw)

The "hallucination theory people" are just trying to find a way for Bioware to have not royally screwed up the ending. They actually have some valid points to because there is evidence that something is wrong at the end. I myself ascribe to the ID/dream/hallucination theory simply because I can't beleive that the same writers who brought the genophage cure to a close with Mordin's scene wrote that last 5 minutes to be the real end.

This theory helps me a lot to deal with the ending.

I replayed the beginning yesterday. The vent the kid hides in is a dead end. it doesnt have a way out. The kid was never real.

I was under the impression that the vent makes a 90 degrees turn, that's why the exit is not visible, but maybe you're on to something here.

[KHReborn]

Tyranniac wrote...

I'll just repeat this once more: Please, please be civil and don't give the wrong impression, especially on twitter. Be constructive.

I'll just told them that their doing a great job. But that they really have to send everything to the dev's.
If they respond, i tell them that we really just want to discuss in a civil manner.

[Darkwingduck]

You cannot control twitter. Not to say that many members of BSN don't have twitter I'm sure they do(I do) but twitter is an animal unto itself. That is to say, everyone has twitter even people who don't have a wonderful forum like this to constructively talk about their feelings. Those people are likely to speak out negatively without thought of consequence so er warning us is nice but it might be prudent to remember the negativity might not be US...here..on this page.

[laughing sherpa girl]

Alamandorious wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

morph4037 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

Preferably someone that can be articulate and represent our side without using the word "demand".

My thoughts exactly, thank you and Alamandorious for agreeing! 

Now, is there anyone who would be interested in this?

heh. I already stated i know myself to be a reactionary and not a good fit fort the task. But at least i can be honest about it.  Yes please, we need a spokes-person

I would be able to.  I'm pretty good at keeping a level head about these things; I just don't know if I have the time >.<

It DOES require time. I've been here twenty hours a day for six days now. ( really, you can search my posts and see ), and frankly, i'm exhausted. I also think i'm getting just a bit more senile than i was before this thread started up..

[Larask]

When I first saw this I got my hopes up, but then I noticed it was something else. It might still be interesting to watch I guess. And who knows, they might drop a hint or two about the ending.  


http://me3finalhours.com/

Modifié par Larask, 13 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[zer00a]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

I'll just repeat this once more: Please, please be civil and don't give the wrong impression, especially on twitter. Be constructive.

Exactly. But BW shouldn't fish for a harsh comment to have a reason to shut this all down. People have to maintain class, but they have to stop being ironic.

I was about to write something with the same spirit, so instead, I'll just back you up.
Time to earn those paragon points, people.

[thedistortedchild]

Aiden_Cora wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

sanmar wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

s8383783 wrote...

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

Arguments from others claiming me to be an entitled gamer brat, that wants a new ending because it wasn't "Disney" enough

And Bioware saying nothing!
I just..can't....
(Just finished the game btw)

The "hallucination theory people" are just trying to find a way for Bioware to have not royally screwed up the ending. They actually have some valid points to because there is evidence that something is wrong at the end. I myself ascribe to the ID/dream/hallucination theory simply because I can't beleive that the same writers who brought the genophage cure to a close with Mordin's scene wrote that last 5 minutes to be the real end.

This theory helps me a lot to deal with the ending.

I replayed the beginning yesterday. The vent the kid hides in is a dead end. it doesnt have a way out. The kid was never real.

I was under the impression that the vent makes a 90 degrees turn, that's why the exit is not visible, but maybe you're on to something here.

Hm.... maybe, but it seems like a longshot

[vigna]

I keep going over and over what bugs me. People have written great essays and posts about this entire debacle. I think it mostly boils down to a few key elements for me.

*While we know about the Catalyst--the entity is only introduced in the last few moments of the story. Macguffin.

* The character of Shepard takes a 180 degree turn in every personality trait we know about him in these final moments as well. We are shown moments of despair from Shepard up to this point, but not enough IMO to see him emotionally, and willfully crumble.

* There is no questioning by Shepard of much consequence in his conversation with Blue/Catalyst/Kid. Sure he asks a few questions, but he mostly listens and makes a choice based on only one, limited perspective.

*Leading up to the Citadel, and after the Reaper blast Shepard fails to check for survivors, comrades, or anyone that can help him going into a completely unknown situation. ie. --the closed Citadel. He decides to just trek on alone? I assume having EDI, Garrus, or the Prothean as knowledgeable and skilled backup would be too much to ask?

* The 3 choices are also too limiting and defy Shepard's previously established character. While I can accept he would choose a destroy Reaper option he never fully questions the repercussions. I also understand having limited choices more closely relates to "reality"...this is Shepard, and reality is already at suspension of disbelief levels.

* The ending edits appear slapped together hastily, and show no true semblance of anything relating to closure, context, indication of time and place, or true repercussions of Shepard's actions on the Citadel. At least from what we have come to expect from Bioware from previous games.


I have more, but those are the main ones. Am I in line with others, or am I missing something else entirely?

Modifié par vigna, 13 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[Penguinlover]

I have just finished the game, which I loved all the way up until the ending. The relationships and storyline were so amazing, I enjoyed talking to the crew and getting to know the crew, especially the LI, that was really well done at the end, felt like a proper relationship.

I had been thinking about the ending coming up and that it was going to be no ordinary ending. The conversations with EDI, about overriding comands and doing what she thought was right, whether it was okay to override her commands to do something she thought right against the wishes of another, I wondered if I answered that it was okay or not, would she let a crew member die or defy an order to save Joker, would she side with the reaper?. NOPE.

I thought that there might be a twist with the Illusive man, maybe he created Shepard under the indoctrination of the Reapers and created him a synthetic, this would be revealed to him at the end that he doesnt really have a soul and he is reaper technology, so that he would have to make the ultimate choice to save either himself and synthetics or the organics. NOPE.

How about something to do with saving the council or not? NOPE. Destroying Collector base? NOPE. Anything to do with the thousands of choices I made? NOPE.

I love dark endings, or philosophical ones but I was just confused. Apart form the fact I didnt know which path to take at the end cos I wasn't paying attention to the way the choices with framed in camera, the only choices I get are 3 different coloured explosions, Shepard seems dead in all of my endings and I don't know anything about any one, except that my crew member Kaiden, whom I took with me is suddenly on the Normandy, with Joker and EDI. How did he get there?

I dont know why I bothered doing all those side quests because I can't get a happy ending unless I do multi-player. Oh Nice! So basically, saving the Rachni meant 75 points and finding a way to get the Quarians and Geth to side with each other makes no difference apart from points.Which makes no difference because I don't multi-player to get the benifit of it.

Sorry to moan but I just feel gut-wrenching disappointment and utter confusion and contradiction. I hope there is DLC that actually tells the end of the story, properly, without contradictions but the game should be complete and not sold in part.

[soske aizen]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

AND NOW A MUCH NEEDED HAPPY MOMENT FOR ALL OF US

I am the very model of *kaboom*

that part made me cry mantears

[Alamandorious]

I'm going to do a rules of conduct, really, that we should follow:

#1: Do not harass bioware staff. They are aware of us, the media is aware of us (both positive and not), and harassment only hurts what we're trying to achieve.

#2: Be civil. Even if someone doesn't agree with your view, even if -they- aren't civil to you, be civil in return. Becoming big flame-belching fans of whiny doom is counter productive, and sheds everyone in a negative light. It doesn't matter if 99% of all posts are civil, they will look at the remaining 1% and say 'see, they're all just a bunch of whiny spoiled brats'.

#3: Do not attach to posts links that will carry people to crude images, videos, or sound files of any kind...again, this makes us all look bad. Humorous links are one thing, disgusting ones are another.

Follow these 3 simple rules, and we should be alright

[julian08]

spacefiddle wrote...
*snip*

I think they're (the devs) just kinda in shock right now.  Once the defensiveness wears off, I think they can read over these points, concerns, freak-outs and ideas with an open mind.  Whether they will choose to, want to, or be allowed by EA to do anything about it remains to be seen.

*snip*

He, shock might be the right word.

"Oh my god guys, the endings threat has almost a thousand pages by now. What? They have a po... THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND?! Wait... there are REACTION SHOTS on You Tube? What the hell, this isn't two girls one cup for Christ's sake! And they are raising charity money? What... FORBES?! Oh, this is bad... Ok people, I need ideas RIGHT NOW!"

"We should hide in the old bombing shelter. There is no cell phone signal or internet, and we have canned food down there that should last at least three weeks."

"Great plan! Let's go."

[spacefiddle]

Aiden_Cora wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

I replayed the beginning yesterday. The vent the kid hides in is a dead end. it doesnt have a way out. The kid was never real.

I was under the impression that the vent makes a 90 degrees turn, that's why the exit is not visible, but maybe you're on to something here.

No, I think this is the right idea for the wrong reason.  The vent goes nowhere because, in the game, it goes nowhere: you can't enter it or follow it.  There's no reason to model art assets for something that will never be seen or used.

All the other arguments are far more compelling to me:  the all too obvious "you can't save me" line, but more subtle bits like no one else by the shuttles reacting to the kid, Anderson not being around when you see him, etc.  My only worry is it's just an invented device: hey wouldn't it be cool to foreshadow, etc.  - and not a fully-developed idea with a reason behind it.

[FinalEndeavor]

this is another feeling i had after the endings

[laughing sherpa girl]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

AND NOW A MUCH NEEDED HAPPY MOMENT FOR ALL OF US

I am the very model of *kaboom*

Ilaughed my ass off so hard for that the first time. It was a stroke of sheer genius, and i'm still laughing..
Thank you..