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[People4Peace]

Denethar wrote...

@masseffect Just finished 3 and though I love the rest of the game, I hate the ending. Sorry! I wanted Liara and the blue babies.
5m Andy Lumsden Andy Lumsden ‏ @Lummo
@r_tapeloaderror @masseffect I want adopted kids for Shep and Kaidan!
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@lummo Awe! Little orphaned biotic babies..

They're sounding fairly relaxed all of a sudden. Decision about Ending DLC made possibly?

God, I hope so.

*puts on happy, positive cap*

[Bfler]

Trojan_33 wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

 Also, Anderson was an officer, not a front line foot soldier.

In the video sequences you can see him with a gun between the assault troops.

True but a General/Admiral can be with the troops but wouldn't be the first one charging in

Remember: Admiral Tali'Zorah.
If she is in your squad, then ingame she is a frontline soldier.

[sumo390]

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

[RussianOrc]

almost there....

[Prince Lex]

I agree that we all want answers, but spamming @masseffect on twitter isn't going to get us this. It's run by random people employed by EA/BW to respond to random queries, and they'll be bound by an NDA not to say anything even if they DO know something.

Which they probably don't. They don't have an easy job right now, which is actually good because they'll go cray cray and tell their superiors...

On second thought, let's keep politely spamming them with questions. They're already getting annoyed.

[Siegdrifa]

http://www.computera...but-inevitable/

Wow ! he spent 130hour in 5 year in the mass effect trilogy ! this is barely what any ME1 fan have put in the first game alone.

The rest is kind of laughtable as i usualy never give a damn about someone talking his subjective opinion as universal truth, it's about his biased understanding, his biased judgement... wow could he dare compare his final impression to the game with people who have invested more than 400 hours on the trilogy knowing that they are not "pro gamers", i don't think they play 10h a day 90 game a year, so i doubt they get the same "impression" as him.
No wonder the ending "choc" scale is totaly different, enough to have to totaly different point of view with valide argument.

Also the request is not erasing what has been done in ME3 ending, but adding a small room for those left behind, their money are as legit as any other supporters and they spent it to be intertained as they were in ME1 and ME2 and primised it would be the same for ME3.

Seriously, people who enjoyed the ending is perfectly fine and there is nothing wrong for them to express it openly.
But judging and condamn the opinion of others only on subjective part is pityfull (and i talk for both size).

Finaly, his exemple of TV show to form is argument is as solid as a sand castle, because TV show and serie are hardly interactive, and for dexter (to retake his exemple) this is a one way direction with only one vision.
ME from the begining is a multi way direction with multiple vision, so YHEA it make more sens to spare more different room in video game than other media, we hardly see movie releasing few month later DLC with 10 new minutes to extend a part of the story.... seriously, comparing "passive media" where you can only watch, with "active media" where you interact all the way is totaly retarded "sir".


I always stated that i would find "normal" if Bioware refuse to add new ending but this guy hit the wrong spot every time, and most of us would agree with him when he says "the game is amazing", hell YHEA it is, and this is why some people got hurt so badly (me NOT included).

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 13 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Spartas Husky]

Whether this was made up or not... WTF: can someone hire this guy?

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265

linkg to it


After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.

The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)

A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.

B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated.

C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.

D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.

[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
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You basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.

Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die.

After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).

Now for the four endings.

If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.

If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.

The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.

The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.

[TobiTobsen]

sumo390 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

Do you want your DLC to be green, blue or red? *trollface*

[Ziajin]

Sigh, continuing the vague, cryptic tweets Bioware is? ¬_¬ Cmon now, we want answers. Though I think that when they're saying "if we knew what was in store" then we'd have a different point of view of everything, but... That's still vague.

[People4Peace]

TamiBx wrote...

cotheer wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

Walrusninja wrote...

Ironically Kirahe didn't get to hold the line, he wasn't even in the last battle despite promising to be.

Tons of war assets never showed up actually which was really disappointing.

Just a reminder, that stupid fish is one of the war assets, so.....

Can't get the stupid fish without romancing Kelly, and I play a FemShep who is not really interested in girls, so...
Also, if you've never played ME before, fish is out of the question. 


I have yet to see someone who has gotten over 4000EMS without ever touching  multiplayer. 

Yeah I did too. I think I got into the 5000 or 6000s. But with multiplayer I got 7000+ and 100% galactic readiness which some players forget about...it does matter!

[Kuranai3]

sumo390 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

<lol> i'll pick the red choice. </lol>

[Matt_gekko88]

The ending DLC could be named "Conrad Verners Last Stand"

[Computim]

morph4037 wrote...

Kuranai3 wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Kuranai3 wrote...

Im back.
Any news?

https://twitter.com/...680647869243392 this.

Hum... that makes me think they're up to something.

I think they had an actual ending / epilogue DLC planned for down the road. If this is the case then they may just try to spin it and say "well we were going to give this to you at a later date" if they don't charge out the nose for it, that is. 

You may be right.. there could be a 'freebie' thank you DLC coming at the end of this.  They may say they wanted to release all the DLC before they "Ended" ME3... and this turns out to all be a moment of unconsciousness.  I will seriously bow before their mastery if they do this.  I will also feel bad that their stock took a hit, and their amazon price, and their metacritic rating... but tis the risk you take when you do the DLC Story route.

Modifié par Computim, 13 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[RazorrX]

What is coming is probably the announcement for MassEffectOnline or something. Which I will not be buying into.

[Nathos]

Kuranai3 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

<lol> i'll pick the red choice. </lol>

It reminds me of Pokemon Yellow, red and blue on the Gameboy Color.

[Apathy1989]

Nothing more to add to this discussion but: rage rage rage rage rage!

[vboy23]

Abbraxas00 wrote...

Aztlanna wrote...

Abbraxas00 wrote...

some other question: what do i have to do so mordin doesnt die in the 2nd ME? he died in the collectors' base in my game the other slarian from the 2nd cured the genophage - dunno his name atm. think something with a m

..snip

think that's it. but it's also strange that grunt dies, defending the door  and i did his loyalty mission too -.-

OT: I got lucky my first playthrough and had no one die + save the crew first time. Never did task Mordin anything specifically, though I did tell Grunt to go back with Dr. Chakwas and the rest to protect them.

back to topic:

It has been mentioned before, but I want to say it again, if Bioware is holding something back then this might just turn out to be one of the "meanest" social experiments I've seen yet.

[LostHero2k9]

Rdubs wrote...



Nice juxtaposition, well done whoever did that.

THIS , Sir, hurts so much.... But it's just one of those many lies they told us before

[Spartas Husky]

TobiTobsen wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

Do you want your DLC to be green, blue or red? *trollface*

..... dont make me virtually slap you in the back of the head... that isn't something to joke troll about

[Rdubs]

Forget who posted this link, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me. 
http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265
I'd like to believe all this "hallucination" theory just to have some kind of hope but from how I've seen things work, all these "clues" are really nothing more than plot holes that fans were able to notice better than the bioware staff.  As I hear Napoleon once said, "Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence."  In this case, instead of "malice" substitute "devious creativity".

Enough of the pieces are there, it was easy to see how a slap-dash job could have happened.  And the whole kid thing - I feel sad for the writers.  They had an awesome thing going with the escape from Earth, the kid dying - what an emotional touch.  Then there was the dream thing with the kid, which was kind of like "umm, ok..."  But when they ran out of ideas they did what every uncreative businessperson in the world does - think about what you have that is valuable and try to think up new ways to "leverage" it.  In this case, they realized the kid emotional thing had value and so they tried to leverage that thing for all it was worth, except in this case it way jumped the shark and went from touching to overdone and trying too hard.  I'm sad for them.

[Darth_Acheron47]

mr.surv wrote...

Benirus wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Wat.

Link

Wat.

Imagine some BW employes who posted trololo and watch our reaction on forums.

Biggest troll ever!!

I don't know if thismeans this whole thing IS the biggest troll ever... Or if they're just like, "Oh. Troll. That's funny. "

[People4Peace]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

The ending DLC could be named "Conrad Verners Last Stand"

YESSS!

[Cossack72]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

The ending DLC could be named "Conrad Verners Last Stand"

Alright I gotta be honest, I'd pay for that.

Serious.

[Darkwingduck]

Nathos wrote...

Kuranai3 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

<lol> i'll pick the red choice. </lol>

It reminds me of Pokemon Yellow, red and blue on the Gameboy Color.

Pokemon yellow is always superior and remains the greatest pokemon game ever created. End of Line. 

[People4Peace]

Nathos wrote...

Kuranai3 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

I swear to God if they reveal they were trolling us on page 1000...

They lock the thread with the final post offering us 3 choices for ending DLC.

<lol> i'll pick the red choice. </lol>

It reminds me of Pokemon Yellow, red and blue on the Gameboy Color.

lol I remember those....man those were the days!