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[Sr.Prize]

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Golden RAAM wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

Pistols are fine as they are. What is this fascination with nerfing everything in games anymore? P

Sometimes people just want it because of their own taste... Like gears of war 3 is currently in hells' A-hole because of whiners regarding the shotgun in that game. Being a gamer is pure hell these days.

I never even think to nerf or buff a gun while Im playing any game...I just adjust to the weapons strengths and weaknesses. 
Gears forums and multiplayer matches became a crybaby fest over the sawed off, I hope we dont start that crap here.  Mass Effects multiplayer isn't even Pvp and the complaining is already starting...go figure.

So, how exactly am I a crybaby? I opened this topic to the forum so I can hear other people's opinion and see where the majority lies. I'm not using this as a way to force my opinions on others. Instead of presenting a credible argument, you decided to get on your high horse and throw insults at people who don't share your opinion.

Like I said before, let's try to keep this civilize.

[Bananables]

i played a silver on firebase white as vanguard with claymore and carnifex.. oddly enough i hit more headshots in that game than my soldier who uses a scoped mattock and a mantis ix

carnifex fully upgraded with a scope is like a viper on steroids.... VIPEROIDS!

[Sr.Prize]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Haseeo wrote...

you nerf one gun then someone complains about nerfing another and it just goes on and on and on.

Also, this. This forum is already going the way of the Bungie, 343i, and Epic forums because people want everyone to play their way. This game doesn't even have a PVP!

If this forum is going down it's because of narcissists like you who automatically throw insults at people who disagree with you.

Modifié par Sr.Prize, 28 février 2012 - 03:31 .

[LemurFromTheId]

The pistol should be a personal defensive weapon with light weight, relatively good stopping power (not necessarily damage) and bad accuracy. There's a reason why so-called accurate weapons have a two-hand grip and a long barrel. The idea that I can slap a scope on a pistol and suddenly it becomes a rapid-fire sniper rifle that's more accurate, more stable and more powerful than an actual rapid-fire sniper rifle - Viper - is absolutely ridiculous.

We should have three basic, heavy weapons for different tasks: assault rifles, sniper rifles and shotguns. SMGs should be a lighter version of assault rifles with slightly lower accuracy and noticeably lower damage for those who rely less on weapons and prefer shorter cooldowns. Pistols should be a very lightweight close-range sidearm, meant to be used only as an additional backup weapon or the sole weapon for those who want the absolutely shortest cooldowns and rely almost entirely on their powers.

Right now the situation is just silly. Carniflex is the weapon no class can go wrong with. (And Phalanx too, IMO.)

[Cloaking_Thane]

Sr.Prize wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Haseeo wrote...

you nerf one gun then someone complains about nerfing another and it just goes on and on and on.

Also, this. This forum is already going the way of the Bungie, 343i, and Epic forums because people want everyone to play their way. This game doesn't even have a PVP!

If this forum is going down it's because of narcissists like you who automatically throw insults at people who disagree with you.

Now you've created a topic in all caps with intentional misspelling and consistently badgered anyone who disagrees with you despite your open mindedness claims.

The post you quoted in particular doesn't contain one insult at all.

No pistols should not be nerfed (Perfectly fine like they are), maybe take away one or 2 ammo boxes per map and give us 2-3 more manual reload options, or get rid of the scope option for the pistol, or slightly less damage against shields.

Lessen the clip size for 6+24, these might be solid compromises....but this affects grenade users in a potentially disproportionate manner.

Balancing isn't easy, but its really really close right now.

Another problem is the maps (currently) are small, everything feels at most 30-40 yards away and we dont know all enemy types.

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 28 février 2012 - 03:50 .

[Sr.Prize]

^^^ so the fact that these people tried to belittle me is irrelevant, right?

[Cloaking_Thane]

Chriss0978 wrote...

Either nerf pistols or buff others, both could work, but something needs to be done, pistols are currently the best weapons, being low-weight and having an high DPS. That needs to change IMO.

jimmyw404 wrote...

Sr.Prize, if Pistols are so OP why are shotguns and sniper rifles so popular?

That is a weak argument. Popularity does not equal quality. You can very well snipe with a pistol as long as you have a scope, you can shoot from mid and close range and have 200% of recharging bonus.

How is it a weak argument? I use the claymore on gold, never heard a teammate complain, esp and asari adept or infiltrator I just saved as they were SCOPED IN FOR THE EPIC headshot.

Varitey is the spice of life

[Sr.Prize]

Aedolon wrote...

The pistol should be a personal defensive weapon with light weight, relatively good stopping power (not necessarily damage) and bad accuracy. There's a reason why so-called accurate weapons have a two-hand grip and a long barrel. The idea that I can slap a scope on a pistol and suddenly it becomes a rapid-fire sniper rifle that's more accurate, more stable and more powerful than an actual rapid-fire sniper rifle - Viper - is absolutely ridiculous.

We should have three basic, heavy weapons for different tasks: assault rifles, sniper rifles and shotguns. SMGs should be a lighter version of assault rifles with slightly lower accuracy and noticeably lower damage for those who rely less on weapons and prefer shorter cooldowns. Pistols should be a very lightweight close-range sidearm, meant to be used only as an additional backup weapon or the sole weapon for those who want the absolutely shortest cooldowns and rely almost entirely on their powers.

Right now the situation is just silly. Carniflex is the weapon no class can go wrong with. (And Phalanx too, IMO.)

Agreed

[Cloaking_Thane]

Sr.Prize wrote...

^^^ so the fact that these people tried to belittle me is irrelevant, right?

Nothing you quoted leads me to believe you were belittled.

Regardless I responded to you OP

[Echo Six Grimez]

It seems as if some of the Battlefield crowd have come over to the ME3 forums and crying 'Nerf' oh dear =(

Modifié par Echo Six Grimez, 28 février 2012 - 03:57 .

[TexasToast712]

Aedolon wrote...

The pistol should be a personal defensive weapon with light weight, relatively good stopping power (not necessarily damage) and bad accuracy. There's a reason why so-called accurate weapons have a two-hand grip and a long barrel. The idea that I can slap a scope on a pistol and suddenly it becomes a rapid-fire sniper rifle that's more accurate, more stable and more powerful than an actual rapid-fire sniper rifle - Viper - is absolutely ridiculous.

We should have three basic, heavy weapons for different tasks: assault rifles, sniper rifles and shotguns. SMGs should be a lighter version of assault rifles with slightly lower accuracy and noticeably lower damage for those who rely less on weapons and prefer shorter cooldowns. Pistols should be a very lightweight close-range sidearm, meant to be used only as an additional backup weapon or the sole weapon for those who want the absolutely shortest cooldowns and rely almost entirely on their powers.

Right now the situation is just silly. Carniflex is the weapon no class can go wrong with. (And Phalanx too, IMO.)

These aren't PDW's They are designed to be offensive weapons. (See description for Phalanx) These aren't regular pistols, they are hand cannons and perform as such. There are ever stronger pistols in the full game so your whining is pointless.


This thread should die. The OP is badgering people to make sure his post stays on the front page. Let this thread and it's troll die with it.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 28 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[Sr.Prize]

I don't play battlefield, COD or Gears.........now what?

[SirBrass]

Haseeo wrote...

you nerf one gun then someone complains about nerfing another and it just goes on and on and on.

Until you have CounterStrike 1.6.

[Hiroaki]

You're getting belittled because you begged for it by posting in all caps, misspelled, and then suggested that the developer crush an aspect of the game that people enjoy.

On topic: Someone suggested that pistols should function like they do in real life: powerful at short range but a guaranteed miss at long range. They decided to make the pistols useful like Master Chief's in Halo so I don't think their going to just say "oops, mistake!' and trash them.

I think a better balance would be like how highly accurate pistols are in real life- either they are not accurate in bursts, or they lose accuracy the longer you aim with them because of weight.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Sr.Prize wrote...

I don't play battlefield, COD or Gears.........now what?

subjective nefing is ridiculous

[Poison_Berrie]

TexasToast712 wrote...

The Pistols are balanced. It is the weight system that is at fault.

That's got everything to do with balance. Can you read that again and say that doesn't have anything to do with balance?

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

No pistols should not be nerfed (Perfectly fine like they are), maybe take away one or 2 ammo boxes per map and give us 2-3 more manual reload options, or get rid of the scope option for the pistol, or slightly less damage against shields.

Lessen the clip size for 6+24, these might be solid compromises....but this affects grenade users in a potentially disproportionate manner.

What you just proposed can be considered a nerf or if you don't want to use that term a balance.
Congratulations you just agreed with the OP.

TexasToast712 wrote...

This thread should die. The OP is badgering people to make sure his post stays on the front page. Let this thread and it's troll die with it.

Said the one of the people who started namecalling. 
It's a stupid title and it's one that's going to illicit a response. But his first posts was hardly anything that would warant people coming in and starting throwing insults around.

[Sr.Prize]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

I don't play battlefield, COD or Gears.........now what?

subjective nefing is ridiculous

Which is why I made this thread to hear other opinions. I listened to the people who disagree with my position and chose to respond the people who threw insults. There are some people who do agree with my position on the topic but they are being overshadowed by the nonsense. I'll admit, part of it's my fault because I fed into it. I guess I was just being naive to think I could have a civilized debate in this place.

[Father Alvito]

Sr.Prize wrote...

^^^ so the fact that these people tried to belittle me is irrelevant, right?

Yes.  Welcome to the Internets.  It goes with the territory.  If you say something stupid, many people will tell you that YOU are stupid.  And so forth.  Anonymity is the enemy of civility.

OT: Obviously something should be done if we agree that the game should not be dominated by one or two weapons.  But this thread is pointless because it's obvious that pistols are out of balance.  If you want to make a legitimate contribution, come up with some good ideas about what to do about the situation and start a thread.

Modifié par Father Alvito, 28 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

The Pistols are balanced. It is the weight system that is at fault.

That's got everything to do with balance. Can you read that again and say that doesn't have anything to do with balance?

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

No pistols should not be nerfed (Perfectly fine like they are), maybe take away one or 2 ammo boxes per map and give us 2-3 more manual reload options, or get rid of the scope option for the pistol, or slightly less damage against shields.

Lessen the clip size for 6+24, these might be solid compromises....but this affects grenade users in a potentially disproportionate manner.

What you just proposed can be considered a nerf or if you don't want to use that term a balance.
Congratulations you just agreed with the OP.

TexasToast712 wrote...

This thread should die. The OP is badgering people to make sure his post stays on the front page. Let this thread and it's troll die with it.

Said the one of the people who started namecalling. 
It's a stupid title and it's one that's going to illicit a response. But his first posts was hardly anything that would warant people coming in and starting throwing insults around.

What I proposed was a palatable solution, not an agreement with OP who said lessen damage or improve weight.

If you want to get into sematics about ammo capacity damage we could but thats nitpicking. To be clear I dont want anything "balanced" or "Nerfed"

It's fine

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Are we using the same guns? Saying that, I find even the upgraded assault rifles pretty weak on silver or above.

[TeaL3af]

Vreki wrote...

I would prefer that they buff the other weapons instead

+1

Especially Assault Rifles.

Modifié par TeaL3af, 28 février 2012 - 04:25 .

[AcidThe Wraith]

Pistols are not the problem, other guns being weak are.

I would suggest things like dramatically lowering the weight of SMGs and increasing their damage, makings ARs do more damage, and increasing the power of the Viper SR... Stuff like that.

Although I think it may be beneficial to remove the scope as a pistol attachment.

[Sr.Prize]

Father Alvito wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

^^^ so the fact that these people tried to belittle me is irrelevant, right?

Yes.  Welcome to the Internets.  It goes with the territory.  If you say something stupid, many people will tell you that YOU are stupid.  And so forth.  Anonymity is the enemy of civility.

OT: Obviously something should be done if we agree that the game should not be dominated by one or two weapons.  But this thread is pointless because it's obvious that pistols are out of balance.  If you want to make a legitimate contribution, come up with some good ideas about what to do about the situation and start a thread.

Did you read any of my posts? I said either nerf the damage or increase the weight to reduce cooldown.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Father Alvito wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

^^^ so the fact that these people tried to belittle me is irrelevant, right?

Yes.  Welcome to the Internets.  It goes with the territory.  If you say something stupid, many people will tell you that YOU are stupid.  And so forth.  Anonymity is the enemy of civility.

OT: Obviously something should be done if we agree that the game should not be dominated by one or two weapons.  But this thread is pointless because it's obvious that pistols are out of balance.  If you want to make a legitimate contribution, come up with some good ideas about what to do about the situation and start a thread.

How is it obviously out of balance when several infiltrators, soldiers, vanguards etc top the charts with Shotguns, Ar's, snipers, and occassionaly pistol only.
 
Asari Adept with SG is equally deadly as pistol, it's just people gravitate towards what they feel most comfortable with.