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[dw99027]

Yuoaman wrote...

ME1 had no face codes - to get a face code from an ME1 Shepard you have to either mess around with the raw data or rebuild them in ME2 using a picture as reference.

My bad... It's been a long time...

[Genshie]

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Modifié par Genshie, 05 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[FlashHand777]

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It does seem improbable (to put it nicely) that this wasn't noticed, but to say it was deliberate? No I don't agree on that. Why would they not want it to work?

[Amcope]

SLPr0 wrote...

Amcope wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Amcope wrote...

One of the worst ideas ever. How could Bioware think this was a good idea?

What idea? This isn't an idea more of a mistake or something they never fixed or didn't know about till now. They didn't purposely do this. Stop acting like they did. It is more like a problem that was never fixed if anything.

You have any proof of this claim? I want to see a source.

I don't think its so much a case of needing proof as it is a case of simple cognitive logic.

BioWare is a major game studio. The Mass Effect team has had some of the best and brightest of the BioWare development house devoted to it.

Somehow a feature that is one of the major "RPG" features left in the game, which is the continuity of "your Shepard" has turned up broken and no one at BioWare seems to know why or even has an answer.

Simple facts are if they had never seen this, they'd have immediately said so, 6 days ago, and worked on fixing it.

Their testers and QA team did see it, the release candidate was passed and certified for gold master with the issue unaddressed.

To assume that "no one" noticed this is like assuming that a room full of plumbers haven't noticed the room is full of water even though they're walking around in it, and have no idea what could possibly be causing the problem.

Given their recent track record I wouldn't put it past Bioware to pull something like this. They are essentially saying: "It's alright if you haven't play ME1 or 2, because all the people who made custom character are OUT OF LUCK!"

Personally I'm getting to the point where I think Bioware is doing this kind of stuff to troll us, and most of you are defending this? HOW?

[SLPr0]

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Uh not testing backwards compatibility for a major title launch that requires it for key functionality?

Thats not a mistake, not in the software industry. Thats just pure stupid.

[Genshie]

FlashHand777 wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It does seem improbable (to put it nicely) that this wasn't noticed, but to say it was deliberate? No I don't agree on that. Why would they not want it to work?

Thank you. This thread is so full of people who are just jumping the gun and so pessimistic. God I could get a several life times supply of all the negativity on the BSN alone its not even funny.

[CaptainOrgia]

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why wouldn't they think to import a ME1->ME2 Shepard to test how those choices imported?

[Genshie]

SLPr0 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Uh not testing backwards compatibility for a major title launch that requires it for key functionality?

Thats not a mistake, not in the software industry. Thats just pure stupid.

Thats fine. Its a mistake that they will most likely start working on as soon as possible. (They are doing this right now for the infamous MotA dlc corruption save glitch on the PS3 version) I highly doubt that they are not looking at this problem right now. Skyrim had plenty of faults and Bethesda (sp?) fixed them for the most part. To say games can't have problems is unrealistic. Hence patches and hotfixes. Most games out today require patches all the time now compared to previous gen games.

[DimmockDude]

Genshie wrote...
It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why should we wait to get the game to start complaining? We know now that this is 100% true. And it is impossible that they didn't notice this. If it wasn't deliberate then they would have said "Oops our bad, we are working on a fix." Instead they refuse to comment on the situation because they don't feel like something that they decided on deliberately is worth arguing about. And i'll complain about this issue as much as i want because its important. Its just another example of the cold and calculating corporate world stabbing its consumers in the back to make way for new ones.

Modifié par DimmockDude, 05 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[FlashHand777]

Genshie wrote...

FlashHand777 wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It does seem improbable (to put it nicely) that this wasn't noticed, but to say it was deliberate? No I don't agree on that. Why would they not want it to work?

Thank you. This thread is so full of people who are just jumping the gun and so pessimistic. God I could get a several life times supply of all the negativity on the BSN alone its not even funny.

Yeah well as frustrating as this is as a fan, until we know all the facts, I've been preaching we remain level-headed about it and show our concerns in a diplomatic fashion. Not blind panic and fury.

[Genshie]

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why wouldn't they think to import a ME1->ME2 Shepard to test how those choices imported?

I didn't say they actually did I said it was a possibility cause lke another poster here said there is no way they would do this on purpose. People here need to be realistic about productions. Mistakes happen.

[SLPr0]

I haven't reached the blind panic/fury stage yet.

But rest assured I have my supplies of it close to hand for when it becomes appropriate.

[Terror_K]

Genshie wrote...

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

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What?!

[CaptainOrgia]

Genshie wrote...

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why wouldn't they think to import a ME1->ME2 Shepard to test how those choices imported?

I didn't say they actually did I said it was a possibility cause lke another poster here said there is no way they would do this on purpose. People here need to be realistic about productions. Mistakes happen.

You said "highly possible" so I was just playing along. I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just wondering why they possibly wouldn't think to test that. 

Modifié par CaptainOrgia, 05 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Amcope]

Genshie wrote...

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why wouldn't they think to import a ME1->ME2 Shepard to test how those choices imported?

I didn't say they actually did I said it was a possibility cause lke another poster here said there is no way they would do this on purpose. People here need to be realistic about productions. Mistakes happen.

But you are constantly giving people bad info like you know what's going on. How could Bioware miss the character transfer when it's at the start of the game and so obvious? Why haven't any mods responded about this yet just to quell all the anger and misinformation being flung around?

[Genshie]

DimmockDude wrote...

Genshie wrote...
It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why should we wait to get the game to start complaining? We know now that this is 100% true. And it is impossible that they didn't notice this. If it wasn't deliberate then they would have said "Oops our bad, we are working on a fix." Instead they refuse to comment on the situation because they don't feel like something that they decided on deliberately is worth arguing about.

Oh I don't know... Maybe the reason they haven't said anything is because they ARE TRYING TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW for all we know.  And no we don't know if it is 100% on purpose. That is a huge exaggeration.

Modifié par Genshie, 05 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[wombat_stalker]

Am somewhat confused, I've imported the same ME1 character twice to ME2. In one she doesn't have a face ID (my 'main') and in one she does. So while my 'main' that I'll be importing to ME3 doesn't display a face code, I do at least know it.

I have no idea how to retrace my steps and make an import that does have a code though.

[KiraTsukasa]

Genshie wrote...

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why wouldn't they think to import a ME1->ME2 Shepard to test how those choices imported?

I didn't say they actually did I said it was a possibility cause lke another poster here said there is no way they would do this on purpose. People here need to be realistic about productions. Mistakes happen.

I don't think this was a foreseeable problem. They probably figured if it would import properly from ME2 to ME3 it would be fine the whole way through since there were no problems from ME1 to ME2. I highly doubt someone had the time to play through ME1 and ME2 making all possible choice combinations just for testing purposes.

[Amcope]

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

Genshie wrote...
It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why should we wait to get the game to start complaining? We know now that this is 100% true. And it is impossible that they didn't notice this. If it wasn't deliberate then they would have said "Oops our bad, we are working on a fix." Instead they refuse to comment on the situation because they don't feel like something that they decided on deliberately is worth arguing about.

Oh I don't know... Maybe the reason they haven't said anything is because they ARE TRYING TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW for all we know.  And no we don't know if it is 100% on purpose. That is a huge exaggeration.

How do you KNOW they are trying to fix it right now? Has there been an official announcement? How do we know that this was even a mistake? We don't, so stop trying to defend this, there is nothing left to defend.

[FlashHand777]

SLPr0 wrote...

I haven't reached the blind panic/fury stage yet.

But rest assured I have my supplies of it close to hand for when it becomes appropriate.

As a fan who has the collector's edition all but paid for, believe me I too will be angered and frustrated if this is a mass producted error that could take a while to fix, but it's only because I love the series that I'd get angry.
Positive concern is better than negative concern doused in melodrama ha!

[MartinDN]

Yeh tried all 3 of my saves...none work. Pc

Anyone got a workaround or anything PLEASE?

[Genshie]

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Genshie wrote...

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Genshie wrote...

DimmockDude wrote...

The worst part about this is that it is clearly not a mistake. This is a deliberate design choice. They could do it in 2 so if they just copy-pasted the CC from 2 into 3 i think all these people would be a lot happier. But instead they made it look slightly worse and now it won't recognise our character's faces. It's impossible that they didn't notice this during development but they are so focused on getting new customers like the call of duty crowd with the multiplayer so they can make MOAR MONEES instead of satisfying their fans. I think that in 5 years people will be singing songs called "Bioware rap*d my childhood."

It is not impossible stop exaggerating. People make mistakes. It is highly possible that they didn't simply think of importing a Shepard all the way from ME1 to ME3. They probably just imported a ME2 created Shepard to ME3. Alot of you people are just so quick to blame others and before you can even touch the game itself.

Why wouldn't they think to import a ME1->ME2 Shepard to test how those choices imported?

I didn't say they actually did I said it was a possibility cause lke another poster here said there is no way they would do this on purpose. People here need to be realistic about productions. Mistakes happen.

You said "highly possible" so I was just playing along. I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just wondering why they possibly wouldn't think to test that. 

Its an easy mistake to make I think so anyway. Some testers probably didn't even think of importing and their main focus was probably on the rest of the game making sure it runs right. Remember I am just saying what could be the reason. I am staying possitive instead of running around screaming and raging since that gets people no wear. They know of the issue by now. Mods wouldn't be telling others to come here if they didn't.

[SLPr0]

You know, just hypothetically.

If I was a project lead on this project.

And I was trying to fix this right now, the very first thing I'd have done, after ensuring I had a IV drip of coffee set up, would have been to communicate to the community management team that I, the lead developer of the stupid fun club, am aware of this issue and am currently investigating its cause.

And then after several hours of having caffeine pumped into my veins intravenously I'd have probably informed the community management team that I had found the issue and asked them to communicate whether I could address this with a day one patch or not.

And then I'd get to work on fixing the problem, but I would not leave the customer base out of the loop.

Why do I say this? Cause its what I do for a living, and I can't afford to ignore my clients and players. Maybe if EA was backing my company, me and my core team wouldn't have to care so much.

[SmokePants]

I'm sure they did test it at some point in development and I'm sure it was working correctly at some point. A late art change could have inadvertently broken it in unforeseen ways, which did not prompt a re-test of the import system.

[MACharlie1]

MartinDN wrote...

Yeh tried all 3 of my saves...none work. Pc

Anyone got a workaround or anything PLEASE?

Only way I know....