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[SharlenaSharlena]

PM me the script please! This is very interesting indeeeeeeeeeed.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

We know exactly what they did from the logs in the Lazarus facility. First, they tried to regrow him, then they went to bio-synthetic fusion (cybernetic implants) to speed up the process. Wilson refers to it as the greatest medical achievement in recorded history, which sure wouldn't be true if he were a clone. No, they got Shepard's body back, re-grew what they could, augmented what they couldn't, and at some point got the body and brain up and running again.

Mayhap impossible in real life, but this is what they were going for. Of course, Shepard being in the understandably skeptical position of having to wrap his head around this, would at least be inclined to wonder if it were the case.

Also, one part of the leaked script has Shepard's team and himself apparently about to watch some vids (?) about the Lazarus project, with his crew reassuring him that he's still 'him' regardless of what they uncover.
Like I said, it's somewhere here: http://dana-duchovny...tag/mass effect
It's hard to remember where exactly I read it 'cause it's only loosely organized together. also don't want to make it seem like it's an advertisement or anything. I just found it while googling.

Personally I think they just play with the idea of him being a clone and give the player the opportunity to roleplay having 'died'.

Modifié par Fisto The Sexbot, 28 février 2012 - 09:50 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

 Ah, it's here, by the way.

Some quotes:

Party: Screw those Cerberus freaks. Whatever anyone says, you're you.
I can imagine. But for what it's worth, you're still you.
You're human. That's good enough for me, Commander.
I wish you'd told me, Shepard.
I'd be surprised if it didn't unnerve you.
You are real. Real... and mine.
I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine what you're going through.
Be surprising if it didn't mess you up a little.
Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.
It does not matter. You are fighting. That is answer enough.
Damn right it doesn't. Whatever anyone says, you're you.
It sort of does... but I know what you mean.
You're real enough for me.
Understood, Commander.
I knew it was really you the first time I touched you again.
No. Whatever brought you back, you're here now.
And damn anyone who believes differently.
You saved my people. You're real enough for me.
You're real. A little crazy, maybe, but real.
You're the best hope we've got against the Reapers. Nothing else matters.
Damn straight, Commander.
Agreed. You're fighting. That's answer enough. 

Egh, well it is a spoilers forum, right? 

[Xarello111]

Edit: nevermind, thanks for the link

Modifié par Xarello111, 28 février 2012 - 10:08 .

[samurai crusade]

See President Huerta
If enough of Shepards brain survived then he is still Shepard.
I don't know enough about Astronomy or Alechera to decided if Shepard would have been dust.    Sure he burned and went splat but the his suit may have protected him from a lot of it.

There are many mysteries in the galaxy and if a gale-force wind changed his trajectory so that he slid down the mountain into a giant snowball and preserved his body... so be it.     I like to think we saw him starting to burn but his trajectory kicked him back out and he was left in orbit.    As for his helmet... he had many on the normandy. Because there are a lot more dog tags on alchera than crew on the normandy anyway.    Least favorite mission of ME2... sorry.

[Shahadem]

Whether or not the body is a clone is really immaterial. What matters is whether the soul is the same and I believe the answer is yes. A simple clone would have Shephard's appearance but not Shephard's mind.

All you have to do is look at the Reapers to know it is possible for the soul to live on past the destruction of the body. Each Reaper is made up of the millions and perhaps billions of individuals whose bodies were liquified to make it. And despite having their bodies being liquified, their spirits continued to live on within the Reaper as the thing which gives it purpose and life.

This was referenced in Mass Effect 2 by Legion when discussing how Soverign was akin to the Geth in that it was an entity made up of a countless number of conciousnesses.

Modifié par Shahadem, 29 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[Jake505]

PM script please

[FryPanNN]

Well, food for thought:

You play Shepard with absolutely certainty in the beginning of ME2, right? Before the Normandy explosion.
Then you wake up in a cerberus lab. Are you the same person playing the game? If the answer is yes, then you are the same Shepard too. Problem solved.

Modifié par FryPanNN, 29 février 2012 - 01:06 .

[Tom Lehrer]

Concerning the seeing the afterlife issue I've seen and read other shows/movies/books that has someone come back to life but know nothing of the afterlife. Less faith driven people will say its proof of no afterlife while more relegious ones will say it is because their role in the world is not over and the higher powers have more planned for them.

[Anvos]

Not sure why this is a question as the cinimatic before facial construction in ME2 seems to highly imply Shepard is regrown from his/her body.

Also cloning a Shepard that was actually Shepard and not just a body duplicate then gets more complicated than regrowing and adding some cybernetics to replace things that are harder to regrow like bones. Not to mention the whole issue that a clone would need time to grow back to an adult and Shepard from 3 doesn't apear to be affected by any sort of rapid aging that would allow a clone get back to an adult in only 2 years. Oh and clone shepard would have a reason to be not fully organic.

Oh and going on the afterlife subject seems to get hard to deal with since nobody really knows for sure and even if you assume there is an afterlife you reach problems such as is time even relevant then.

Modifié par Anvos, 29 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[Allworkandlowpay]

There's only two things Cerberus could have done with Shepard.

1) Recovered what was left of him, and rebuilt him with a mixture of rebuilt body parts and cybernetics.

2) Cloned his body in a tank to maturation and then used some type of neural scanner to print a copy of his mind into the new body (ala Grunt's tank.)

Either way, It's still Shepard. A clone would just be Shepard biologically speaking, with a new mind and consciousness. That's not the case .

[utube22]

it is the same person anyhow this is how I see it since I am doing a Shepself if you where to die in in starship crash
and be dead for two years and some company manages to rebuild your personiaty compelety from the ground up as long as your brain was not I will Repeat Was Not Completely destroyed and they prserveed you
in a comotose state until the rest of your body rebuilt it would be a quation of
wether God would want to return you to your body or not if he did not then the lazerus project in mass effect would have failed and sheperd would have Died

[Fisto The Sexbot]

FryPanNN wrote...

Well, food for thought:

You play Shepard with absolutely certainty in the beginning of ME2, right? Before the Normandy explosion.
Then you wake up in a cerberus lab. Are you the same person playing the game? If the answer is yes, then you are the same Shepard too. Problem solved.

that's... insane. 

[Alex06]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

There's only two things Cerberus could have done with Shepard.

1) Recovered what was left of him, and rebuilt him with a mixture of rebuilt body parts and cybernetics.

2) Cloned his body in a tank to maturation and then used some type of neural scanner to print a copy of his mind into the new body (ala Grunt's tank.)

Either way, It's still Shepard. A clone would just be Shepard biologically speaking, with a new mind and consciousness. That's not the case.

It's implied that they kept the same brain. So it's still Shepard, not another clone with the memories of Shepard, which wouldn't be the original Shepard, technically speaking.

1) sounds more like what's implied. They re-grew body parts and organs, implanted them and revived a good amount of the dead cells in Shepard's body. Then, they augmented the rest with cybernetics to speed up the recovery process. After a while, Shepard just happened to wake up from his coma, conveniently when the facility he was being held in came under attack.

Modifié par Alex06, 29 février 2012 - 08:24 .

[Alex06]

EDIT: Oh, so after I double post, the other post decides to properly change. Pfff.

Modifié par Alex06, 29 février 2012 - 08:27 .

[VanDave]

If they cloned Shep ... why would they booster him with so much cybernetic and risk his life in the proces ?

And how could they obtain Sheps neural scan ? He was dead when they found him.

[Allworkandlowpay]

Alex06 wrote...

It's implied that they kept the same brain. So it's still Shepard, not another clone with the memories of Shepard, which wouldn't be the original Shepard, technically speaking.

1) sounds more like what's implied. They re-grew body parts and organs, implanted them and revived a good amount of the dead cells in Shepard's body. Then, they augmented the rest with cybernetics to speed up the recovery process. After a while, Shepard just happened to wake up from his coma, conveniently when the facility he was being held in came under attack.

Yeah It's implied that he/she is just rebuilt. But I disagree with you on one fact. While a clone with the imprinted memories would not be that EXACT Shepard, (s)he would be literally identical in every way in both mindset and physical ability. That's Shepard. 

[clearlyestated]

Glad I can talk about it now. Yes anyone can die in ME3 even and especially your current ME3 team

[lucidfox]

Shahadem wrote...

Whether or not the body is a clone is really immaterial. What matters is whether the soul is the same

This is a materialistic setting, not fantasy. No souls.