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[zestyshade]

Male dominated industry, objectification and sexism, yada yada

[zestyshade]

azerSheppard wrote...

**** YOU OP. Go to the goddamn spoiler section, i ****ing hate ****gots like you who come into the NO SPOILERS ALLOWED section and post spoilers, and when confronted goes "who doesn't know by now?" Wel **** you, you ****ing douche.

Relax guy. What's the big deal about spoilers anyway?

[Malanek]

android654 wrote...



This would have been a better choice for a robot body for her.

Why? Heavier, much poorer manipulation, lower flexibility and manoeuvrability. This would be an absolutely terrible choice. EDI is supposed to be an artificial intelligence. Why should SHE not want to appear attractive? She is supposed to have her own traits, manerisms, desires etc

Modifié par Malanek999, 28 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[DaJe]

android654 wrote...



This would have been a better choice for a robot body for her.

Although I think Bioware can come up with much better designs than in the picture, something more practical would certianly let me take her character more serious.
I bet if EDI had a male voice it would look more like that picture, rather than looking like a metal Vega for example.
Western Double Standards, yay!

[ManOfSteel]

zestyshade wrote...


Relax guy. What's the big deal about spoilers anyway?

Some people like to be surprised by story events before going into a game. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean other people don't. Luckily, I knew about this, but I'd be mad right now if I didn't.

[zestyshade]

DoomHK wrote...

zestyshade wrote...


Relax guy. What's the big deal about spoilers anyway?

Some people like to be surprised by story events before going into a game. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean other people don't. Luckily, I knew about this, but I'd be mad right now if I didn't.

When I see spoilers I just think "neat, I can't wait to experience this" (book, movie, game, what have you). Some people really overreact to spoilers

[ZLurps]

zestyshade wrote...

Male Pencil neck dominated industry, objectification and sexism, yada yada

Slight correction.

[android654]

Malanek999 wrote...

android654 wrote...



This would have been a better choice for a robot body for her.

Why? Heavier, much poorer manipulation, lower flexibility and manoeuvrability. This would be an absolutely terrible choice. EDI is supposed to be an artificial intelligence. Why should SHE not want to appear attractive? She is supposed to have her own traits, manerisms, desires etc

artificial intelligence=/= human thoughts or experience

EDI has no notion of sexy or attractive. Those are concepts which would be vague at best. Also EDI isn't a she nor a he. She has no gender to speak of because she isn't organic and she isn't autonomous so she can't rationalize like a person. As an artificial intelligence that has been taught to operate in a military function, once in a body her first thoughts would be about protection, preservation and how to accomplish her work. Would she be able to do that as a sex-bot or as a robot that physically durable and equipped with the armor and weapons it needs to protect itself.

[android654]

DoomHK wrote...

zestyshade wrote...


Relax guy. What's the big deal about spoilers anyway?

Some people like to be surprised by story events before going into a game. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean other people don't. Luckily, I knew about this, but I'd be mad right now if I didn't.

It's not a spoiler after three months ago. They talked about it at a few game reviewer sites and the art book which came out not too long ago. It's old news.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Because Joker likes eye candy as well and he can't walk around the ship to doink the other females on the crew.

Plus his legs will shatter anyway.

[Malanek]

android654 wrote...
artificial intelligence=/= human thoughts or experience

EDI has no notion of sexy or attractive. Those are concepts which would be vague at best. Also EDI isn't a she nor a he. She has no gender to speak of because she isn't organic and she isn't autonomous so she can't rationalize like a person. As an artificial intelligence that has been taught to operate in a military function, once in a body her first thoughts would be about protection, preservation and how to accomplish her work. Would she be able to do that as a sex-bot or as a robot that physically durable and equipped with the armor and weapons it needs to protect itself.

EDI is not a VI, she is an AI. She shows compassion, she shows a sense of humour, she wants to be part of the crew etc etc. It is somewhat of a hypothetical discussion but once you get into the realms of artifical intelligence there are many different grades. EDI is being represented as the ultimate goal - a fully intelligent entity. Once they start thinking for themselves and genuinely learning they take on their own personality. Being organic is completely irrelevant.

[sickserb]

god why can't you ****in ********* go to the damn spoiler section! ****

Modifié par sickserb, 28 février 2012 - 08:04 .

[Elecbender]

Joker has needs.

[android654]

Malanek999 wrote...

android654 wrote...
artificial intelligence=/= human thoughts or experience

EDI has no notion of sexy or attractive. Those are concepts which would be vague at best. Also EDI isn't a she nor a he. She has no gender to speak of because she isn't organic and she isn't autonomous so she can't rationalize like a person. As an artificial intelligence that has been taught to operate in a military function, once in a body her first thoughts would be about protection, preservation and how to accomplish her work. Would she be able to do that as a sex-bot or as a robot that physically durable and equipped with the armor and weapons it needs to protect itself.

EDI is not a VI, she is an AI. She shows compassion, she shows a sense of humour, she wants to be part of the crew etc etc. It is somewhat of a hypothetical discussion but once you get into the realms of artifical intelligence there are many different grades. EDI is being represented as the ultimate goal - a fully intelligent entity. Once they start thinking for themselves and genuinely learning they take on their own personality. Being organic is completely irrelevant.

VI? Who said anything about a VI?

*SIGH*

I'll put it like this. EDI is more like a child than a super being. Her interaction with people allows her to grow with experience. Yes she understands how to fraternize and communicate with people, but the desire to be physically appealing is not something she would just pick up. She's ignorant of what "sexy" even means or the intricacies of human interaction at a sexual level. Sex is not something an AI would think about without enough exposure that they can understand it. Think about all her time in the Normandy including the years it took to develop her to that point and yet her communication with people is still not at a human level. Imagine all she would have to do and all the time that would have to pass in order for her to become curious about engaging in sex.

[LTiberious]

an AI amongst humans (that was around them for a long time) would be insulted if it had to embody a non-human body.

Thus EDI gets a human body

[Malanek]

android654 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

android654 wrote...
artificial intelligence=/= human thoughts or experience

EDI has no notion of sexy or attractive. Those are concepts which would be vague at best. Also EDI isn't a she nor a he. She has no gender to speak of because she isn't organic and she isn't autonomous so she can't rationalize like a person. As an artificial intelligence that has been taught to operate in a military function, once in a body her first thoughts would be about protection, preservation and how to accomplish her work. Would she be able to do that as a sex-bot or as a robot that physically durable and equipped with the armor and weapons it needs to protect itself.

EDI is not a VI, she is an AI. She shows compassion, she shows a sense of humour, she wants to be part of the crew etc etc. It is somewhat of a hypothetical discussion but once you get into the realms of artifical intelligence there are many different grades. EDI is being represented as the ultimate goal - a fully intelligent entity. Once they start thinking for themselves and genuinely learning they take on their own personality. Being organic is completely irrelevant.

VI? Who said anything about a VI?

*SIGH*

I'll put it like this. EDI is more like a child than a super being. Her interaction with people allows her to grow with experience. Yes she understands how to fraternize and communicate with people, but the desire to be physically appealing is not something she would just pick up. She's ignorant of what "sexy" even means or the intricacies of human interaction at a sexual level. Sex is not something an AI would think about without enough exposure that they can understand it. Think about all her time in the Normandy including the years it took to develop her to that point and yet her communication with people is still not at a human level. Imagine all she would have to do and all the time that would have to pass in order for her to become curious about engaging in sex.

Ha ha, now you're calling her a she
What you described originally was not a genuine artificial intelligence. Yes, she will be childlike in human understanding, but more like an exceptionally intelligent child. She would easily understand what is sterotypically considered sexy, even if she may be wrong on some of the finer points. She has a bit of an ego, in ME2 she likes to point out how awesome she is. She gets slightly irritated when Shepard is a jerk. The years it took to develop her are irrelevant, once she starts learning she develops her own communication skills. She wants to be considered part of the crew. Similar story philosophies have been explored from Frankenstein through to I Robot. 

[robmokron]

the answer to the op question...

Modifié par robmokron, 28 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[DaJe]

zestyshade wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

zestyshade wrote...


Relax guy. What's the big deal about spoilers anyway?

Some people like to be surprised by story events before going into a game. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean other people don't. Luckily, I knew about this, but I'd be mad right now if I didn't.

When I see spoilers I just think "neat, I can't wait to experience this" (book, movie, game, what have you). Some people really overreact to spoilers

Part of experiencing the story is not knowing what is going to happen next. That is why epic twists are so memorable and that is why anyone even remembers M. Something Shymalamanam's only good movie.

[zestyshade]

Eh, I like a twist as much as anyone else, but it really does not phase me if I already know about it. Experiencing it, and relating to it by observing the entire picture, is where the fun comes from, not knowing some esoteric out-of-context bit of story. To each his own obviously, but flipping up and down over knowing a small bit of a large story seems a tad silly.

To the topic, why could she not just look like Legion?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Legion64 wrote...

We brought this upon ourselves. Now we must pay.

I reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly miss Wrex on my crew. He would solve all of Shepard's problems with Chobots, Sexbots, and other things I don't want on my ship that the Systems Alliance stole.

[Nashiktal]

Obvakhi wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

If they're gonna give her a body, might as well be an attractive one. Or do you prefer she'd look like R2-D2?

I would actually. I liked EDI as a talking ball, even with the unfortunate implications. It was different, unique, and we finally had a platonic relationship with a female character who wasn't built for the sexy.

Hell, it was so goddam refreshing she became my favorite support character. 

Well, now Mass Effect is all about the sexy. Different strokes for different folks, but I am getting a bit weary of all the "sexy" and over the top action.

That's one of the things I love about Mass Effect. Great sci-fi action & story with some sexy thrown in. If I just wanted military realism with bland and plain jane looking characters, I'll go play Ghost Recon.

Military realism? Mass Effect never had that. I disagree with you here vehemently.

ME started as a space opera that built upon sci fi tropes fusing discovery and wonder, relying more on story and atmosphere to present the universe and tell the tale they wanted.

If I wanted sexy I would just go play... Just about any other damn game out in the market. Seriously sexy is so stuffed into all the games lately its gotten BORING for me. Cleavage? Over the top action? Welcome to the generic gaming world at large!

[Nima55]

robmokron wrote...

the answer to the op question...

I love this so much ^^

[Justicar]

robmokron wrote...

It's...beautiful.

[Merchant2006]

its for the android-secks between her and joker. Synthetic bobbies and jayjay for joker. awwwwww yeaaaaaaa

[Carnage752]

I love how haters stew in their own anger with other haters, but someone comes up with a good argument against their views, they either ignore it or disregard it.

Seriously, if you look in the spoilers section ( Which this thread should be) you will see a reason for it.

But when they make James Vega buff, everyone goes " He's nothing but a meathead, wth Bioware???" If a woman needs to be ugly to be smart in your eyes, then clearly you're the superficial one.

And lets remember there is lots of gene therapy nowadays in Mass Effect. They could easily tweak women to be attractive. But whatever, I'm superficial because all smart women are ugly bettys while hot women are Snookies.