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[CptBomBom00]

BobSmith101 wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I have seen the relays blowing up but not the epilogue one, and after seeing the relays ones, I still think they could've pull better endings, that this, Fallout games have better endings that his, except FO3 before Broken Steel or Halo endings or GoW ones, the points is that BW just took the laziest way out and that the writers didn't bother to actually have secret happy ending.

The only thing wrong with FO3's ending is it cut you off from the game. In a sandbox games that's a pretty big deal.
And it never took account of if you had Fawkes with you.

yeah I agree on this, but  bethseda learned thier mistake and look at Skyrim.

[Capeo]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I have seen the relays blowing up but not the epilogue one, and after seeing the relays ones, I still think they could've pull better endings, that this, Fallout games have better endings that his, except FO3 before Broken Steel or Halo endings or GoW ones, the points is that BW just took the laziest way out and that the writers didn't bother to actually have secret happy ending.

The epilouge one just showed a wide shot of an adult an a child in a snowy scene with the moon large in the background.  I'm assuming that's when the conversation from the script takes place when the kid is being told about how humans used to be able fly in space and the kid asks to hear about the story of Shepard again.

As for even a remotely happy ending I'm trying to find out if there is one that at least leaves the relays working but from everything I've read over at the SA forum it doesn't seem like there is.

Oh, and a quick note on FO games of which I am a massive fan.  None of them ever allowed you to play after the story ended.  FO3 was actually a kick in the teeth to classic FO fans.  I still thought the ending was bad from a story and writing perspective but they never should have retconned it.

Modifié par Capeo, 29 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[Elegana]

Capeo wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I have seen the relays blowing up but not the epilogue one, and after seeing the relays ones, I still think they could've pull better endings, that this, Fallout games have better endings that his, except FO3 before Broken Steel or Halo endings or GoW ones, the points is that BW just took the laziest way out and that the writers didn't bother to actually have secret happy ending.

The epilouge one just showed a wide shot of an adult an a child in a snowy scene with the moon large in the background.  I'm assuming that's when the conversation from the script takes place when the kid is being told about how humans used to be able fly in space and the kid asks to hear about the story of Shepard again.

As for even a remotely happy ending I'm trying to find out if there is one that at least leaves the relays working but from everything I've read over at the SA forum it doesn't seem like there is.

It's the snowy scene actually the Merge ending? I remember seeing that the leaks said that even plants start to glow.

[Capeo]

Elegana wrote...

Capeo wrote...

The epilouge one just showed a wide shot of an adult an a child in a snowy scene with the moon large in the background.  I'm assuming that's when the conversation from the script takes place when the kid is being told about how humans used to be able fly in space and the kid asks to hear about the story of Shepard again.

As for even a remotely happy ending I'm trying to find out if there is one that at least leaves the relays working but from everything I've read over at the SA forum it doesn't seem like there is.

It's the snowy scene actually the Merge ending? I remember seeing that the leaks said that even plants start to glow.

I couldn't tell you.  I don't know who even posted that pic.  It didn't seem like things were "glowing" per se though.  It just seemed like a brightly moonlit night.

[Xeranx]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'm disappointed really, that a lot of the posters here seem to taking the people giving out "leaks" at face value.  What happened to either demanding proof beyond the spoken word or waiting to draw your own conclusions.  We did this dance back with ME2 and no-one who tried spoiling the game then was remotely accurate.  So why all of a sudden are folks so willing to believe what anyone says, despite the bizarre contradictions?

People with the Space Edition are under an NDA, one of the guys who got one, name starts with an X, stated he can't legally give out any spoilers or get into serious trouble since the game isn't officially released yet.

The SA guy also started "leaking" back in November, claiming he had a copy of the game as well.  And at least one person trying to leak here got called by Chris and admitted that he made the whole thing up.  Someone else in a thread here claims to have the strategy guide already, which is also crap because there's no way anyone is shipping you a strategy guide before the game is even out (not to mention he won't show a picture of the strat guide to show authenticity.

In general, a lot of folks are "saying" things, without showing anything that counts as evidence or proof.  And no, using the script leak doesn't count because the script is not only months old, it's not verifiable and can't be checked against anything.

If the people spoiling the game were actually in possession of copies, why don't we see screenshots of the endings?  Obvious these people don't care about legal ramifications for their actions, so why not go the extra mile and give us verifiable proof?

I'll tell you why.  They can't.  So let's be reasonable, rational people and be skeptical of people's hearsay.  After all, we did this number back in ME2, and that didn't produce any meaningful spoilers at all, just people making things up as they went.  I see no reason to suddenly start believing now.



BIG F*ING EDIT: A challenge out there to all you spoilers and leakers claiming to have a Space Edition copy?  If you're really gung-ho about letting people know what's in the game, make your claims irrefutable by making a video.  Doesn't matter how.  Cellphone, video-recorder, capture software, whatever.  Go all the way a prove beyond a shadow of any doubt that you're not just flapping your gums. 

This could be considered trolling if I wasn't being serious.  Also, despite the tone, this isn't antagonistic.

Your post isn't a leak, but since you are making a claim that accounts have been refuted (without making those accounts and the refutations known), I'd like to see the accounts made of ME2 and what made those accounts "wrong" to come to my own conclusions.

Fair is fair.

[AlphaJarmel]

Capeo wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Capeo wrote...

The epilouge one just showed a wide shot of an adult an a child in a snowy scene with the moon large in the background.  I'm assuming that's when the conversation from the script takes place when the kid is being told about how humans used to be able fly in space and the kid asks to hear about the story of Shepard again.

As for even a remotely happy ending I'm trying to find out if there is one that at least leaves the relays working but from everything I've read over at the SA forum it doesn't seem like there is.

It's the snowy scene actually the Merge ending? I remember seeing that the leaks said that even plants start to glow.

I couldn't tell you.  I don't know who even posted that pic.  It didn't seem like things were "glowing" per se though.  It just seemed like a brightly moonlit night.

'The Shepard' scene happens in all endings.

[AkiKishi]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

'The Shepard' scene happens in all endings.

Is that the after credits bit ? 

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

'The Shepard' scene happens in all endings.

Shouldn't that scene be moot in the merge ending?

I mean, they should have that story in their collective memory or something.

[LordAnguis]

Right, so I work for a group that conducts surveys for big companies. Not VG companies but things like big enterprise. I can't say what those companies are, because if I do, and they trace it back to me, I can get hit with 50,000 dollar fine PLUS 5-10 years in FEDERAL PRISON. And that's a SIMPLE NDA. So who thinks that people who have an NDA of some kind with BW/EA, a major VG company (multi-million to billion dollar company at that) are gonna risk that or WORSE to spoil a game other fans?

As for the guy with the Prima guide....well, I gotta say this: there's a YouTube video of a woman who shows us the Art of the Mass Effect Universe, and shows us a few pages. That's a confirmation, more-so than pictures. I did think, for a moment, that this guy was legit. But then I remembered the fact that the guide doesn't ship or come out until the SAME DAY as the game. So even IF his mother works for a shipping company, you're telling me SHE'S going to risk HER JOB to get her kid a copy of the book, rather than let him just BUY it like everyone else? Nuh-uh.

So, unless these guys post videos (and you could find videos for the Arrival DLC in the two weeks prior to its release), I'm gonna have to call bull****.

Oh, one last thing: I believe its Christianity that teaches that the way the devil lies is by adding in just a little bit of truth. So say these guys have said a few true things; that just makes it all the easier to lead people astray, so to speak.

Wait for the ****ing game, people, and decide then and there. But I honestly don't expect much from gamers as a whole.

Oh, and if BW is keeping mum because they know they'll lose the business, well, here's the thing: they'd lose a ton of fans anyways. Are they going to really risk that just because bad endings all-around are 'in vogue'? Last I checked, BW doesn't technically do mainstream gaming trends. If they did, the ME series wouldn't even exist as an RPG. It'd just be a combat simulator with a few choices you can make on your own.

So, yeah, I did see the leaks as being real, until I thought about it logically. And guess what? I'm Autistic, and a big fan of logic. If the DEVS say that these endings are the only ones, I'll accept it. But some guys hiding behind a damn screen name?

Oh, and to back up what I said at the beginning of my post; I live in Utah, and I work at Opinionology.

[gabewpashere]

Very good OP. People who are complaining about an ending where we lose or where we win, but the relays shutdown need to reread the mass effect cannon. Reapers made the Relays, so by destroying the Reapers, we in fact destroy the relays too. It makes some sense, so get used to it. About those complaining about certain characters dying and maybe even entire civs dying, get used to it. War is not pretty, ive been on two tours. Even when we win a fight, you look back and notice, he that guy died back there... we lost a friend. I cant wait for this game.

[Sporothrix]

gabewpashere wrote...

Very good OP. People who are complaining about an ending where we lose or where we win, but the relays shutdown need to reread the mass effect cannon. Reapers made the Relays, so by destroying the Reapers, we in fact destroy the relays too. It makes some sense, so get used to it. About those complaining about certain characters dying and maybe even entire civs dying, get used to it. War is not pretty, ive been on two tours.

Say that to Miranda/Samara/Ashley/default femShep. They go into war with full makeup, fashionable hairstyle, and many of them with big cleavages, catsuits and high heels. It's hard to take your claims about this game seriously after this.

Modifié par misoretu9, 29 février 2012 - 03:30 .

[JakeGamer1]

LordAnguis wrote...

Right, so I work for a group that conducts surveys for big companies. Not VG companies but things like big enterprise. I can't say what those companies are, because if I do, and they trace it back to me, I can get hit with 50,000 dollar fine PLUS 5-10 years in FEDERAL PRISON. And that's a SIMPLE NDA. So who thinks that people who have an NDA of some kind with BW/EA, a major VG company (multi-million to billion dollar company at that) are gonna risk that or WORSE to spoil a game other fans?

As for the guy with the Prima guide....well, I gotta say this: there's a YouTube video of a woman who shows us the Art of the Mass Effect Universe, and shows us a few pages. That's a confirmation, more-so than pictures. I did think, for a moment, that this guy was legit. But then I remembered the fact that the guide doesn't ship or come out until the SAME DAY as the game. So even IF his mother works for a shipping company, you're telling me SHE'S going to risk HER JOB to get her kid a copy of the book, rather than let him just BUY it like everyone else? Nuh-uh.

So, unless these guys post videos (and you could find videos for the Arrival DLC in the two weeks prior to its release), I'm gonna have to call bull****.

Oh, one last thing: I believe its Christianity that teaches that the way the devil lies is by adding in just a little bit of truth. So say these guys have said a few true things; that just makes it all the easier to lead people astray, so to speak.

Wait for the ****ing game, people, and decide then and there. But I honestly don't expect much from gamers as a whole.

Oh, and if BW is keeping mum because they know they'll lose the business, well, here's the thing: they'd lose a ton of fans anyways. Are they going to really risk that just because bad endings all-around are 'in vogue'? Last I checked, BW doesn't technically do mainstream gaming trends. If they did, the ME series wouldn't even exist as an RPG. It'd just be a combat simulator with a few choices you can make on your own.

So, yeah, I did see the leaks as being real, until I thought about it logically. And guess what? I'm Autistic, and a big fan of logic. If the DEVS say that these endings are the only ones, I'll accept it. But some guys hiding behind a damn screen name?

Oh, and to back up what I said at the beginning of my post; I live in Utah, and I work at Opinionology.

Sadly there are pics now of the supposed endings.  :'( What little hope I had dwindled upon seeing them.

Copy and paste this link into your browser.  You get a 403 otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/YneT6.jpg

BTW I wasn't the one who made these or anything.  Just got the link from the Spoiler Group.  Sadly though the only way it truly is a massive hoax after seeing those is if someone was really good with maya/3dstudio and had alot of time on their hands to troll. :'(

Modifié par JakeGamer1, 29 février 2012 - 03:37 .

[Capeo]

LordAnguis wrote...

Right, so I work for a group that conducts surveys for big companies. Not VG companies but things like big enterprise. I can't say what those companies are, because if I do, and they trace it back to me, I can get hit with 50,000 dollar fine PLUS 5-10 years in FEDERAL PRISON. And that's a SIMPLE NDA. So who thinks that people who have an NDA of some kind with BW/EA, a major VG company (multi-million to billion dollar company at that) are gonna risk that or WORSE to spoil a game other fans?

As for the guy with the Prima guide....well, I gotta say this: there's a YouTube video of a woman who shows us the Art of the Mass Effect Universe, and shows us a few pages. That's a confirmation, more-so than pictures. I did think, for a moment, that this guy was legit. But then I remembered the fact that the guide doesn't ship or come out until the SAME DAY as the game. So even IF his mother works for a shipping company, you're telling me SHE'S going to risk HER JOB to get her kid a copy of the book, rather than let him just BUY it like everyone else? Nuh-uh.

So, unless these guys post videos (and you could find videos for the Arrival DLC in the two weeks prior to its release), I'm gonna have to call bull****.

Oh, one last thing: I believe its Christianity that teaches that the way the devil lies is by adding in just a little bit of truth. So say these guys have said a few true things; that just makes it all the easier to lead people astray, so to speak.

Wait for the ****ing game, people, and decide then and there. But I honestly don't expect much from gamers as a whole.

Oh, and if BW is keeping mum because they know they'll lose the business, well, here's the thing: they'd lose a ton of fans anyways. Are they going to really risk that just because bad endings all-around are 'in vogue'? Last I checked, BW doesn't technically do mainstream gaming trends. If they did, the ME series wouldn't even exist as an RPG. It'd just be a combat simulator with a few choices you can make on your own.

So, yeah, I did see the leaks as being real, until I thought about it logically. And guess what? I'm Autistic, and a big fan of logic. If the DEVS say that these endings are the only ones, I'll accept it. But some guys hiding behind a damn screen name?

Oh, and to back up what I said at the beginning of my post; I live in Utah, and I work at Opinionology.

You CANNOT go to prison for breaking an NDA.  That is utterly ridiculous.  They are civil contracts.  The most that can happen is getting sued and, if you'd research NDA's, you'd find even that almost never ever works.  Why do think there are endless leaks of games and movie workprints?

As for Novem, his friend's mother wouldn't be risking anything unless she sold the guide.  Tons of companies allow employees to get early released materials once they're in the warehouse. 

Lastly, go to the SA forum.  Tank put up pics of him playing the game while he was testing it.  And last night pics of the endings and the epilogue hit the net and match everything said so far.  Believe what you want but logic certainly doesn't dictate some vast conspiracy.

[Elite Midget]

All you can do is pray the leaks are wrong.

If they are true than this is far worse than the bleak take I predicted for ME3 when ME2 was still hot at the finish.

[MinnieLincoln]

It's not all that bad guys, we don't even have the game in our hands yet. Sure it sounds like total bull****zzle but I do not think that BioWare would cause this great franchise to lead to a bunch of terrible endings that we wasted our time for.

Just giving my positive attitude on the matter

[JakeGamer1]

Elite Midget wrote...

All you can do is pray the leaks are wrong.

If they are true than this is far worse than the bleak take I predicted for ME3 when ME2 was still hot at the finish.

Been hoping that for quite some time, but as stated in my last post the images kinda hit the last nail in the coffin for that hope.    I was really looking forward to this game too.

[Shatterhand1701]

 As much as I suppose I should be fan-raging over this leaked information, I actually don't give a damn.  It's odd for me really, since I've been such a hardcore Mass Effect fan from the start and I've come to care about the characters and what happens to them.
Here's how I see it:
I never wasted any emotional energy hoping for a specific ending for my Shepard or any of his teammates.  Sure, I may have had small hopes or wishes that this or that would come to pass, but as the Mass Effect trilogy is very much a game whose story unfolds based on a player's decisions and abilities, to expect that Bioware could possibly account for ALL contingencies and give everyone the ending they want is, quite frankly, outrageous.
That being said, I do concede that there should be more than just two or three canned endings that occur no matter what you do during the course of the game.  And honestly, I don't believe in the slightest that the leaked spoilers represent the absolute end-all, be-all of every possible decision made throughout all three games.  You can look at scripts and game files all you'd like, but until you put it in the context of a full playthrough on all possible options, you're not selling me on that belief.
And you know what?  Even if the endings are correct and real, I'm not going to work myself up into a spittle-flecked rage over it because there was never any guarantees.  A happy ending was never assured; hell, there was not even a guarantee of a moderately pleasant ending.  Sure, we hate to think that an epic story could end in such a dreary and hopeless way, but sometimes even the best possible options can lead to the worst possible outcome.  We're not entitled to anything; I don't care how much time and money you've spent.  If you actually think you're entitled to the best possible ending, you need to adjust your expectations, because you're only setting yourselves up for disappointment.
I want to see it all played out; I'm not going to rely on spoilers and leaked screenshots and other such nonsense to tell me whether I'm going to like this game or not.  I'd like to give myself a little more credit than that.

[jellobell]

Woo's on a rampage. End of the line in 3...2...1...

[Hanzo508]

Even if all the leaks are all true, I think the only thing that matters is how we get there. If blw gives me a good story and at least gives me closure on Shepards personal life. I am fine with all of it. But it all depends on how the story is told. At least for me.

[Elite Midget]

Hanzo508 wrote...

Even if all the leaks are all true, I think the only thing that matters is how we get there. If blw gives me a good story and at least gives me closure on Shepards personal life. I am fine with all of it. But it all depends on how the story is told. At least for me.

In your opinion.

Many other fans don't want their Sheperd to die or get stranded far away from anyone to die a slow and painful death via starvation.

[Xeranx]

Elite Midget wrote...

Hanzo508 wrote...

Even if all the leaks are all true, I think the only thing that matters is how we get there. If blw gives me a good story and at least gives me closure on Shepards personal life. I am fine with all of it. But it all depends on how the story is told. At least for me.

In your opinion.

Good show calling him out.  There was nothing signifying his perceptions, was there? /sarcasm <_<

Modifié par Xeranx, 29 février 2012 - 06:11 .

[the_one_54321]

Obviously, Shepard shouldn't need to sacrifice anything except effort in order to be the hero...

[sorentoft]

Xeranx wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Hanzo508 wrote...

Even if all the leaks are all true, I think the only thing that matters is how we get there. If blw gives me a good story and at least gives me closure on Shepards personal life. I am fine with all of it. But it all depends on how the story is told. At least for me.

In your opinion.

Good show calling him out.  There was nothing signifying his perceptions, was there? /sarcasm <_<

^ Nothing more annoying than idiots putting in the "In your opinion" when the post they respond to makes it abundantly clear that it is just their opinion.

[Elite Midget]

Nevermind, wont respond to trolls. Waste of effort.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Obviously, Shepard shouldn't need to sacrifice anything except effort in order to be the hero...

That's
not what fans are asking for. You're just twisting things against those
that didn't want a total grimdark ending as their only choice in a game
about choices.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 29 février 2012 - 06:22 .

[panamakira]

JakeGamer1 wrote...

Sadly there are pics now of the supposed endings.  :'( What little hope I had dwindled upon seeing them.

Copy and paste this link into your browser.  You get a 403 otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/YneT6.jpg

BTW I wasn't the one who made these or anything.  Just got the link from the Spoiler Group.  Sadly though the only way it truly is a massive hoax after seeing those is if someone was really good with maya/3dstudio and had alot of time on their hands to troll. :'(

Oh my god~ The bottom right image of the Normandy......I can't.....I have resigned myself to the truth now but my question is going to be the whole time while I'm playing the game.....How can I keep the Normandy from such an unlucky tragic fate? I mean they get sucked into the blackhole and we never see them again.

At this point a PERFECT ENDING in the series for me is to save as much as you can and kill Shep with the crew or get them off the Normandy or something. I just don't see a better way to end  this.

All of the endings seem to get worst and worst. I CAN'T believe Bioware really did this to the end of the series.  I just can't....

Like...WOW~