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[Taleroth]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Got any details on that ? I posted a thread asking in the other forum but Priestly closed it down without an answer.

I have no specific details. I have no evidence, anecdote, or anything to speak as to what is going on with ME3 or what is even likely for ME3.

I do have personal experience working video game QA. Sometimes bugs are hard to reproduce. Sometimes they're not reported. Sometimes they sneak in when you're not looking. And sometimes you're fighting with a designer over a bug, where his fixes just create new bugs, and when you report the new bug they revert to the old bug. No no no, you can't just do that. FINE, they change it again. DAMN, there's a new bug that I didn't even think could happen when you did that. Now we need to change it, agai... what do you mean we need to ship?

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 février 2012 - 06:37 .

[Murkman4683]

It's all coming to an end, does everybody have their special cup of kool-aid ready?

[Demigod]

I hold out hope you are right RiouHotarul. Im sure I will enjoy the game in any case up to the end anyway. The ending/s as leaked may or may not ruin it for me it all depends on context in game.

[Capeo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'm disappointed really, that a lot of the posters here seem to taking the people giving out "leaks" at face value.  What happened to either demanding proof beyond the spoken word or waiting to draw your own conclusions.  We did this dance back with ME2 and no-one who tried spoiling the game then was remotely accurate.  So why all of a sudden are folks so willing to believe what anyone says, despite the bizarre contradictions?

People with the Space Edition are under an NDA, one of the guys who got one, name starts with an X, stated he can't legally give out any spoilers or get into serious trouble since the game isn't officially released yet.

The SA guy also started "leaking" back in November, claiming he had a copy of the game as well.  And at least one person trying to leak here got called by Chris and admitted that he made the whole thing up.  Someone else in a thread here claims to have the strategy guide already, which is also crap because there's no way anyone is shipping you a strategy guide before the game is even out (not to mention he won't show a picture of the strat guide to show authenticity.

In general, a lot of folks are "saying" things, without showing anything that counts as evidence or proof.  And no, using the script leak doesn't count because the script is not only months old, it's not verifiable and can't be checked against anything.

If the people spoiling the game were actually in possession of copies, why don't we see screenshots of the endings?  Obvious these people don't care about legal ramifications for their actions, so why not go the extra mile and give us verifiable proof?

I'll tell you why.  They can't.  So let's be reasonable, rational people and be skeptical of people's hearsay.  After all, we did this number back in ME2, and that didn't produce any meaningful spoilers at all, just people making things up as they went.  I see no reason to suddenly start believing now.

First off, BW confirmed the script was real and went so far as to say they were going to try to take some feedback from the outcry.  Secondly, the leaked endings match the script.  Thirdly, the guy who has the guide's mother works where they ship the guides from and apparently they are allowed to take them home.  Ask him for a pic when he's back online.  Lastly, I know from experience an NDA is almost impossible to legally enforce and I doubt BW would go through the effort.  It's the norm today for every big game to get leaked.

[Balancer]

I agree with the op, their is no evidence of any of this. we will find out 6 march

[RiouHotaru]

Capeo wrote...

First off, BW confirmed the script was real and went so far as to say they were going to try to take some feedback from the outcry.  Secondly, the leaked endings match the script.  Thirdly, the guy who has the guide's mother works where they ship the guides from and apparently they are allowed to take them home.  Ask him for a pic when he's back online.  Lastly, I know from experience an NDA is almost impossible to legally enforce and I doubt BW would go through the effort.  It's the norm today for every big game to get leaked.

For starters:

- When did Bioware confirm the leaked script was 100%?  As I recall the public announcement was "Script is outdated and non-reflective of final product"

- Saying his mother works for a place that ships guides is like saying my dad works for Nintendo.  It carries the same lack of validity.

- And NDAs are very much legally binding.  If you get found out?  Whoooooo boy.

[Armass81]

The guy did take a picture of his copy. It's there.

What was in the leak is pretty much what we will get. You can be skeptical if you wish, doesnt change reality.

Modifié par Armass81, 28 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[ArkkAngel007]

I'm not going to be like quite a few on BSN and expect BioWare to have infinite variations to every whim of mine and other Mass Effect 3 players. If BioWare felt that the endings were the best...well, I can be unhappy if I want to be, but I'm not going to be the way certain people are about it.

I'm also not taking this all at face value until I see some proof. Hell, wouldn't they have a copy of the NDA or even the game case to show? The game disc? Anything at all? Can't take a camera picture of something that doesn't violate NDA (granted, photography of any in-game element may be prohibited)?

Does it really matter though? The game comes out in a week. We'll be seeing more from IGN today or tomorrow, footage on G4 tonight (?), hopefully a launch trailer within the window of this week...

I just think people need to make their own opinions based on tangible evidence, not just on another's words.

[RiouHotaru]

Edit: Deleted for quoting the same post twice.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 28 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[RiouHotaru]

Armass81 wrote...

The guy did take a picture of his copy. It's there.

What was in the leak is pretty much what we will get. You can be skeptical if you wish, doesnt change reality.

Show screenshots of the actual game.  If you're going to spoil stuff, go all the damn way.

I don't get it...Bioware said the leak was "outdated" and "not reflective of the final product" and suddenly every word in it is 100% factual?

That does not logically follow at ALL.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 28 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[Mims]

There were several leaked scripts. We don't know which one they looked at.

As sadface as it is, there are leaks coming in from two sources that have provided photo proof. [Some of which is ingame.] There's the possibility for a massive trolling. But I doubt it.

[Capeo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Capeo wrote...

First off, BW confirmed the script was real and went so far as to say they were going to try to take some feedback from the outcry.  Secondly, the leaked endings match the script.  Thirdly, the guy who has the guide's mother works where they ship the guides from and apparently they are allowed to take them home.  Ask him for a pic when he's back online.  Lastly, I know from experience an NDA is almost impossible to legally enforce and I doubt BW would go through the effort.  It's the norm today for every big game to get leaked.

For starters:

- When did Bioware confirm the leaked script was 100%?  As I recall the public announcement was "Script is outdated and non-reflective of final product"

- Saying his mother works for a place that ships guides is like saying my dad works for Nintendo.  It carries the same lack of validity.

- And NDAs are very much legally binding.  If you get found out?  Whoooooo boy.

http://www.eurogamer...o-leaked-script 

From Muzyka himself:

"It was disappointing for them, yeah. They're moving on. They're making a great game. The script, frankly, has changed a little bit from what was released, too. It's been edited. They're always tuning it. They're always making it better. But yeah, it's tough when you see your work displayed. You realise only a small number of people are probably going to look at those spoilers in advance."It is hard on a team when they see their work revealed in an early form like that. It was a pre-release demo. The script was certainly not intended to be released in that form and that early. Here it is! It's not even out yet, but you can read through it. It's a summary."

Modifié par Capeo, 28 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[RiouHotaru]

Capeo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Capeo wrote...

First off, BW confirmed the script was real and went so far as to say they were going to try to take some feedback from the outcry.  Secondly, the leaked endings match the script.  Thirdly, the guy who has the guide's mother works where they ship the guides from and apparently they are allowed to take them home.  Ask him for a pic when he's back online.  Lastly, I know from experience an NDA is almost impossible to legally enforce and I doubt BW would go through the effort.  It's the norm today for every big game to get leaked.

For starters:

- When did Bioware confirm the leaked script was 100%?  As I recall the public announcement was "Script is outdated and non-reflective of final product"

- Saying his mother works for a place that ships guides is like saying my dad works for Nintendo.  It carries the same lack of validity.

- And NDAs are very much legally binding.  If you get found out?  Whoooooo boy.

http://www.eurogamer...o-leaked-script 

From Muzyka himself:

"It was disappointing for them, yeah. They're moving on. They're making a great game. The script, frankly, has changed a little bit from what was released, too. It's been edited. They're always tuning it. They're always making it better. But yeah, it's tough when you see your work displayed. You realise only a small number of people are probably going to look at those spoilers in advance."It is hard on a team when they see their work revealed in an early form like that. It was a pre-release demo. The script was certainly not intended to be released in that form and that early. Here it is! It's not even out yet, but you can read through it. It's a summary."

Uhhhh, from the same guy?

"Muzyka urged the fans to stay clear of story spoilers because they script is out of context.

"You edit it continually. It's a living process to build a game and it's also a living experience to play through it. You're seeing the graphics, you're seeing the choices, you're seeing the characters. Words alone on a page, they're not delivered in voice over, they're not delivered in the interface, they're not delivered as your character, with your choices up to that point imbuing them with meaning and purpose and identity, the emotion part of it."

BOLDED FOR EMPHASIS

Not to mention the title is misleading.  His statement about fan feedback has NOTHING to do with the leaked script.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 28 février 2012 - 07:02 .

[eternalshiva]

Well, I find it a little odd that the so-called leaked endings are matching up exactly to the out-dated leaked script from November after BW stated that version was old and they've edited it since then.

Also, there's direct links to these scripts everywhere, why hasn't BW taken them down or strike down the posters? The only guy so far that got banned was Klace, which seems to suggest to me his leaks were more legit than this farce so far.

I'm not believeing any of this until I have the game in my hands and I get to see all the endings.

If I can get the perfect ending in ME2, I'm not sure why BW would screw us over with all these craptastic sad and heart wrenching endings that leaves us with more questions than answers. If it's supposed to close up all loose ends and leave us satisfied like they twittered, why would all these **** endings be the end of it?

Something is super fishy, and I refuse to believe these leaked-matching-the-old-script endings.

[redbaron76]

I agree with you. Lot of the leaked stuff about spoliers is not making any sense at all. And where is their proof. usually such stuff is posten on you tube and like you said all the people that have space edition Have NDA or they will have lawsuits on their hands. And also we know that there are several endings to the game and it is said that there is 40 Hours of play there with main mission and all the side missions. The space edition has been in hands of the lucky few to get them only for 4-5 days, not enough time to get all the endings. So what ever they are saying is all speculation or at worst they made it up to spoil it for real gamers.

[MouseNo4]

I HATED HATED the ending on DA2. Yeah turn everyone against the player. Great idea! Now i have no intention of replaying it.

[Garrus30]

Maybe the leaked ending is just based on the leaked script and that's it?

Modifié par Garrus30, 28 février 2012 - 07:04 .

[RiouHotaru]

Liedral wrote...

Well, I find it a little odd that the so-called leaked endings are matching up exactly to the out-dated leaked script from November after BW stated that version was old and they've edited it since then.

Also, there's direct links to these scripts everywhere, why hasn't BW taken them down or strike down the posters? The only guy so far that got banned was Klace, which seems to suggest to me his leaks were more legit than this farce so far.

I'm not believeing any of this until I have the game in my hands and I get to see all the endings.

If I can get the perfect ending in ME2, I'm not sure why BW would screw us over with all these craptastic sad and heart wrenching endings that leaves us with more questions than answers. If it's supposed to close up all loose ends and leave us satisfied like they twittered, why would all these **** endings be the end of it?

Something is super fishy, and I refuse to believe these leaked-matching-the-old-script endings.

Supposedly, there are dialog files that refer to the endings, but they're incredibly vague and lacking context.  Also, it'd be easy for folks to just make stuff up and say "This matches what we saw before, therefore it MUST be right."

[MouseNo4]

EA found out i broke my NDA a couple years back. I would love to see what they would do about it.

[Dave of Canada]

Denial isn't going to help you, dear.

[RiouHotaru]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Denial isn't going to help you, dear.

It's not denial.  I'm demanding evidence.  Solid, factual evidence.  All I'm getting is "Oh, the leak said this" or "I own a copy and I'm spoiling the game"

Not once do I see anything beyond people's word.  Show me physcial evidence.

If I get evidence, I'll admit to the situation being what it is.  But not a moment before.  In the real world, people don't usually take people strictly at their word.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 28 février 2012 - 07:08 .

[Garrus30]

MouseNo4 wrote...

EA found out i broke my NDA a couple years back. I would love to see what they would do about it.

probably something like this

[Dave of Canada]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Denial isn't going to help you, dear.

It's not denial.  I'm demanding evidence.  Solid, factual evidence.  All I'm getting is "Oh, the leak said this" or "I own a copy and I'm spoiling the game"

Not once do I see anything beyond people's word.  Show me physcial evidence.

Spend five seconds in the spoiler section and find the pictures of the individual's copies.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 28 février 2012 - 07:08 .

[Capeo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Capeo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Capeo wrote...

First off, BW confirmed the script was real and went so far as to say they were going to try to take some feedback from the outcry.  Secondly, the leaked endings match the script.  Thirdly, the guy who has the guide's mother works where they ship the guides from and apparently they are allowed to take them home.  Ask him for a pic when he's back online.  Lastly, I know from experience an NDA is almost impossible to legally enforce and I doubt BW would go through the effort.  It's the norm today for every big game to get leaked.

For starters:

- When did Bioware confirm the leaked script was 100%?  As I recall the public announcement was "Script is outdated and non-reflective of final product"

- Saying his mother works for a place that ships guides is like saying my dad works for Nintendo.  It carries the same lack of validity.

- And NDAs are very much legally binding.  If you get found out?  Whoooooo boy.

http://www.eurogamer...o-leaked-script 

From Muzyka himself:

"It was disappointing for them, yeah. They're moving on. They're making a great game. The script, frankly, has changed a little bit from what was released, too. It's been edited. They're always tuning it. They're always making it better. But yeah, it's tough when you see your work displayed. You realise only a small number of people are probably going to look at those spoilers in advance."It is hard on a team when they see their work revealed in an early form like that. It was a pre-release demo. The script was certainly not intended to be released in that form and that early. Here it is! It's not even out yet, but you can read through it. It's a summary."

Uhhhh, from the same guy?

"Muzyka urged the fans to stay clear of story spoilers because they script is out of context.

"You edit it continually. It's a living process to build a game and it's also a living experience to play through it. You're seeing the graphics, you're seeing the choices, you're seeing the characters. Words alone on a page, they're not delivered in voice over, they're not delivered in the interface, they're not delivered as your character, with your choices up to that point imbuing them with meaning and purpose and identity, the emotion part of it."

BOLDED FOR EMPHASIS

Not to mention the title is misleading.  His statement about fan feedback has NOTHING to do with the leaked script.

Your point?  Do you know what out of context means?  He saying they ARE spoilers.  They are true.  But in context they may seem more palatable.  

[RiouHotaru]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Spend five seconds in the spoiler section and find the pictures of the individual's copies.

A picture of a copy of the game isn't what I want.  Show me a screenshot of the gameplay.  Of these "endings".

A picture of a box doesn't prove anything beyond physical owenrship.