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[blueruin]

Capeo wrote...

Actually, bud, BW is a for profit company and we are the people who buy their product.  They damn well do owe us if they expect our continued patronage.  I can tell you don't own or run a business.  See, a customer should have a sense of entitlement because they are PAYING for it.

You have a really naive understanding of how things work, and that was a cute attempt at condescension.  I do run an LLC, and I provide services for my clients, the terms of which are established very clearly up front.  I earn the continuing patronage of my clients day in and day out.  But I don't "owe" them anything.  I don't "owe" it to them to change the way I do business, or who I cater to just on their say-so, and because they demand it.  They can stop using my services any time they choose to if they deem them unsatisfactory, and stop paying me money.
 
You can stop buying Bioware games any time you want.  You can stop giving them money.  It's a luxury item you have to go out of your way to pay for.  You can troll their forums and do nothing but whine and moan, but it's completely their prerogative whether or not to heed your over-the-top ****ing.  They don't "owe" you anything.  They can certainly take the support for their fans for granted, but only time and sales figures will determine if that's the case.

There's probably plenty of people who heard about the spoiler endings -- were upset by them -- and walked away.  I happen to not be one of these people, because I think there's likely a lot of context that we're missing.  I don't think the endings really sound all that bad, and I'm impatient to learn more.

There is no way that Bioware is going to change the endings now.  They've obviously spent some amount of time deciding that they were going to go the route that they did.  They even pre-emptively warned that some people were not going to be happy, and they're obviously okay with this.  So what exactly is the point of complaining?

[aftohsix]

OP. Spot on. Since Dragon Age 2 was released to a less than please subset of this community many of those same people decided to start "assaults" for lack of a better word on Bioware and it's fans by intentionally posting misleading information, lies etc.. etc.. etc...

Don't believe me? Remember the "dance banning" in TOR? Fake. That's just one example.

At first I was worried until I realized there isn't any proof of what they're saying. No screenshots, no videos. What a bunch of bull.

It comes down to I heard some dude on the internet say this so it must be true. I have no idea what to expect at the end of Mass Effect 3. Maybe I'll be disappointed as all hell. Maybe I won't. My point is I don't think these spoilers are accurate.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

aftohsix wrote...

OP. Spot on. Since Dragon Age 2 was released to a less than please subset of this community many of those same people decided to start "assaults" for lack of a better word on Bioware and it's fans by intentionally posting misleading information, lies etc.. etc.. etc...

Don't believe me? Remember the "dance banning" in TOR? Fake. That's just one example.

At first I was worried until I realized there isn't any proof of what they're saying. No screenshots, no videos. What a bunch of bull.

It comes down to I heard some dude on the internet say this so it must be true. I have no idea what to expect at the end of Mass Effect 3. Maybe I'll be disappointed as all hell. Maybe I won't. My point is I don't think these spoilers are accurate.

Except there are videos, all over Youtube in fact. I've been watching them all evening.

Also, everything about Dragon Age 2 was infact true, sadly.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 01 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[Black_Vanguard]

aftohsix wrote...

OP. Spot on. Since Dragon Age 2 was released to a less than please subset of this community many of those same people decided to start "assaults" for lack of a better word on Bioware and it's fans by intentionally posting misleading information, lies etc.. etc.. etc...

Don't believe me? Remember the "dance banning" in TOR? Fake. That's just one example.

At first I was worried until I realized there isn't any proof of what they're saying. No screenshots, no videos. What a bunch of bull.

It comes down to I heard some dude on the internet say this so it must be true. I have no idea what to expect at the end of Mass Effect 3. Maybe I'll be disappointed as all hell. Maybe I won't. My point is I don't think these spoilers are accurate.

Videos are in fact on youtube, but they are not very long(I think the longest in just over a half minute long) and its only clips were seeing. I'm in a wait and see mode. I'll need to see more videos from youtube or wait till March 6th to find out for myself.

[ArkkAngel007]

Black_Vanguard wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

OP. Spot on. Since Dragon Age 2 was released to a less than please subset of this community many of those same people decided to start "assaults" for lack of a better word on Bioware and it's fans by intentionally posting misleading information, lies etc.. etc.. etc...

Don't believe me? Remember the "dance banning" in TOR? Fake. That's just one example.

At first I was worried until I realized there isn't any proof of what they're saying. No screenshots, no videos. What a bunch of bull.

It comes down to I heard some dude on the internet say this so it must be true. I have no idea what to expect at the end of Mass Effect 3. Maybe I'll be disappointed as all hell. Maybe I won't. My point is I don't think these spoilers are accurate.

Videos are in fact on youtube, but they are not very long(I think the longest in just over a half minute long) and its only clips were seeing. I'm in a wait and see mode. I'll need to see more videos from youtube or wait till March 6th to find out for myself.

Videos taken directly from the files.  Problem is, these only show the static cinematics, not the ones that you may or may not see in-game, just like the videos on file in Mass Effect 2.  We may or may not get more depending on the number of assets we get in the game. 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 01 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

I hope the OP is right, because quite frankly some of those endings sounded utterly stupid and unusual. He also has a point on the NDA, why would some guy start talking about this and not expect to get sued. Besides this has been said by one guy just one guy. One guy who could be full of it for all we know. I know some of the evidence seems absolute, however this isn't the first time this has happened. I remember when people started freaking out because someone said that permanent squadmates didn't exist, that dialogue was cut short and who knows what else.

I'm going to wait before I assume anything, maybe I'm just hoping for the impossible but BioWare wouldn't screw us over like this, especially not in the final game in which they keep saying that they have an epic finish. I've also heard rumors of a supposed "Well Connected" achievement that is related to the endgame and nobody knows exactly how but I think this is what everyone wants to see. In my opinion I think the guy who leaked this is screwing with us. There is no way that he could've finished the game so fast IMO.

[Black_Vanguard]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Black_Vanguard wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

OP. Spot on. Since Dragon Age 2 was released to a less than please subset of this community many of those same people decided to start "assaults" for lack of a better word on Bioware and it's fans by intentionally posting misleading information, lies etc.. etc.. etc...

Don't believe me? Remember the "dance banning" in TOR? Fake. That's just one example.

At first I was worried until I realized there isn't any proof of what they're saying. No screenshots, no videos. What a bunch of bull.

It comes down to I heard some dude on the internet say this so it must be true. I have no idea what to expect at the end of Mass Effect 3. Maybe I'll be disappointed as all hell. Maybe I won't. My point is I don't think these spoilers are accurate.

Videos are in fact on youtube, but they are not very long(I think the longest in just over a half minute long) and its only clips were seeing. I'm in a wait and see mode. I'll need to see more videos from youtube or wait till March 6th to find out for myself.

Videos taken directly from the files.  Problem is, these only show the static cinematics, not the ones that you may or may not see in-game, just like the videos on file in Mass Effect 2.  We may or may not get more depending on the number of assets we get in the game. 

*nods*

I'm just waiting to see more that will confirm their is in fact no "Happy ending" as some people or if all these ending are indeed going to be in the game. We either find out before March 6th or after once everyone plays it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Of course you could have. There are 24 hours in a day and people have had copies for days now.

[Black_Vanguard]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Of course you could have. There are 24 hours in a day and people have had copies for days now.

Well this is very true also. My point is that we are seeing videos currently and I'm waiting to see if we get confirmation all of this. I'm not going to go out on a limb and assume all of this is true or false. It just makes sense to wait till one of those two possibilities happens(waiting for the game or a video on youtube showing multiple ending and not just a small clip).

Since we're seeing clips already that tells me someone doesn't give a damn about the NDA that has been mentioned. So I'm sure we will see a complete ending soon(hopefully multiple ones so we don't have any more speculation)

[Jack_Forest]

Well there is an uncracked copy of the game on torrents, so you might as well download it and check for yourself. I did that, but I still have a paid pre-order waiting, so I don't consider me doing it a crime.

[Black_Vanguard]

Problem is I have a pc that I know couldn't run the game....that and I have no clue how to do all of this data mining. I got other reasons but I wont bother you. Right now I will just wait and see what happens. I'm patient

[Tancho]

Black_Vanguard wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Of course you could have. There are 24 hours in a day and people have had copies for days now.

Well this is very true also. My point is that we are seeing videos currently and I'm waiting to see if we get confirmation all of this. I'm not going to go out on a limb and assume all of this is true or false. It just makes sense to wait till one of those two possibilities happens(waiting for the game or a video on youtube showing multiple ending and not just a small clip).

Since we're seeing clips already that tells me someone doesn't give a damn about the NDA that has been mentioned. So I'm sure we will see a complete ending soon(hopefully multiple ones so we don't have any more speculation)

While I'm at the point of, 'I may as well check in to see if we have a confirm/deny', I'm starting to think the best course is to just take a step back and wait. I've had some time to think about it, and I'm finding that the more I leave it alone, the more I remember why I love this series and why I purchased the CE. Honestly, until we're really fleshing out the game on the 6th, I don't think it's worth it to take someone else's word.

[webhead921]

My main issue is this: we are getting the endings out of context. We are not entirely sure what happens throughout the game. The endings might not sound that great in isolation (i personally don't have a huge problem with it), but we don't know what the buildup is. The ending might be a satisfying conclusion. Also, there are important parts in ME1 and ME2 endings that occurred with dialogue selection in-game (i.e., getting saren to kill himself, choosing whether to save the council, possible squad deaths in ME2, deciding whether or not to destroy the collector base, etc.). To my knowledge, the videos that have been posted are from cut scenes and not in-game. I don't doubt that the videos posted are real. The endings are probably accurate to what people are saying. But you can't really say the ending is bad when its in isolation, you have to take it in context. So i'm going to wait until I play the game to judge.

Also, the demo is really fun, so i'm sure the game will be lots of fun. I don't have a huge problem with the ending that people are spoiling, but I don't know enough to make an accurate assessment

[Splinter Cell 108]

The thing that bothers me the most and it is the same thing as always is that BioWare doesn't say anything. They just give us the usual PR speak that says nothing and pisses off people. When this kind of mess happens they should do something about it instead of keeping their mouths shut just like every time this has happened. I don't care if this pertains to spoilers or not, things are out of hand, they should do something. Things always get out of hand in these forums but they do nothing to reassure people of anything.

No wonder they have to update site rules, if they sit around and leave us in the dark, its no wonder that a bunch of people will get angry and post hate threads.

[Black_Vanguard]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The thing that bothers me the most and it is the same thing as always is that BioWare doesn't say anything. They just give us the usual PR speak that says nothing and pisses off people. When this kind of mess happens they should do something about it instead of keeping their mouths shut just like every time this has happened. I don't care if this pertains to spoilers or not, things are out of hand, they should do something. Things always get out of hand in these forums but they do nothing to reassure people of anything.

No wonder they have to update site rules, if they sit around and leave us in the dark, its no wonder that a bunch of people will get angry and post hate threads.

I'm in the same boat. I wish they would step up and say something, but whatever. That's their choice if they choose to see the anarchy unfold.

[blueruin]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The thing that bothers me the most and it is the same thing as always is that BioWare doesn't say anything. They just give us the usual PR speak that says nothing and pisses off people. When this kind of mess happens they should do something about it instead of keeping their mouths shut just like every time this has happened. I don't care if this pertains to spoilers or not, things are out of hand, they should do something. Things always get out of hand in these forums but they do nothing to reassure people of anything.

No wonder they have to update site rules, if they sit around and leave us in the dark, its no wonder that a bunch of people will get angry and post hate threads.

In a situation like this, there's not much that they can say that would reassure the weirdos who are freaking out on the forums.  A lot of the people who are posting are making accusations and trumping up incomplete information as fact.  Bioware is not going to come out and give even more spoilers just to prove them right/wrong.  They don't even need to do any PR speak since I think the people freaking out about it are a vocal (and irrational) minority.

I suspect that most fans of the series are gonna buy the game anyway, or wait for player reviews before deciding -- and leave it at that.

[Daggerville]

I'm surprised that Bioware/EA did not realise that players would eventually leak most of the game's plot-line and endings on BSN or other famously known boards like SomethingAwful and 4chan /vg/.

Modifié par Daggerville, 01 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Black_Vanguard wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The thing that bothers me the most and it is the same thing as always is that BioWare doesn't say anything. They just give us the usual PR speak that says nothing and pisses off people. When this kind of mess happens they should do something about it instead of keeping their mouths shut just like every time this has happened. I don't care if this pertains to spoilers or not, things are out of hand, they should do something. Things always get out of hand in these forums but they do nothing to reassure people of anything.

No wonder they have to update site rules, if they sit around and leave us in the dark, its no wonder that a bunch of people will get angry and post hate threads.

I'm in the same boat. I wish they would step up and say something, but whatever. That's their choice if they choose to see the anarchy unfold.

I understand but how many times is this going to keep happening. I bet this has been happening since ME3 was announced. First it was the leaked scribt, then it was the rumor about non-permanent squadmates, Multiplayer, the intro and the demo, dialogue and now this. How many times does this have to keep happening? 

[Black_Vanguard]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Black_Vanguard wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The thing that bothers me the most and it is the same thing as always is that BioWare doesn't say anything. They just give us the usual PR speak that says nothing and pisses off people. When this kind of mess happens they should do something about it instead of keeping their mouths shut just like every time this has happened. I don't care if this pertains to spoilers or not, things are out of hand, they should do something. Things always get out of hand in these forums but they do nothing to reassure people of anything.

No wonder they have to update site rules, if they sit around and leave us in the dark, its no wonder that a bunch of people will get angry and post hate threads.

I'm in the same boat. I wish they would step up and say something, but whatever. That's their choice if they choose to see the anarchy unfold.

I understand but how many times is this going to keep happening. I bet this has been happening since ME3 was announced. First it was the leaked scribt, then it was the rumor about non-permanent squadmates, Multiplayer, the intro and the demo, dialogue and now this. How many times does this have to keep happening? 

If I would knew how to post pics properly on this forum I would insert the "Some men just want to watch the world burn" meme. It seems thats how some may feel. But as a previous poster said about bioware not going out and posting more spoilers just to calm down some members sort of makes sense. *Shrugs*

Once again I think the best logical step is to wait and see for any of the two options to happen.

[Unified Force]

Some questions that I’m hoping people can answer:

- During E3 2011, the developers explicitly stated that they would give players the option to continue playing
the single player in some form even after the main story had concluded (link to Q&A below). Assuming one doesn't  believe they just went back on their word, how would any of these endings allow for you to play the campaign afterwards if they were the only ones possible?



- I haven’t actually read the leaked script myself, but from what I’ve heard around the forums these endings are completely different from the ones the leak originally indicated. If this is true, why the discrepancy? The leak wasn’t that long ago, would the developers have had enough time to completely change the ending?

- Is it absolutely certain that the people who allegedly found the endings did a completionist playthrough of the game to make sure they got the best possible ending, or did they breeze through the main story? Yeah, the space editions have been out for some days now, but that still seems like a pretty short time for someone to complete a 40 hour + game (did these players skip sleeping/work/school?).  I know they apparently found the video files for the endings, but are these just non-interactive cutscenes? What if there’s more to the endings, or even alternate endings, which are told through interactive (using the dialogue wheel) cutscenes like in the past games?

- This is a more subjective point, but Bioware’s been saying for a while now how viable they consider the Mass Effect universe to be and how there are many possible stories they think are left to be told. Yes, they could still come up with prequel stories set before ME3’s ending, but why would they deliberately sabotage what makes the unique interstellar society of the franchise possible in the first place? From a business perspective it only serves to severely limit the possibilities left for a valuable IP.

Personally, even if these endings are true, I’m willing to give the game the benefit of the doubt and experience them for myself to see if they’re acceptable within the context of the rest of the story; experiencing the lead up to the endings, and judging their actual in-game execution rather than assume the worst here where their basic descriptions are possibly lacking when taken out of context. If not and the worst predictions come to pass, then I plan to take the good with the bad, enjoying whatever else from ME3 I end up liking, even if -- and now matter how much -- I might be disappointed with other aspects.

Modifié par Unified Force, 01 mars 2012 - 04:25 .

[Black_Vanguard]

Its hard to say. I've read posts where people have claimed said person that has leaked the endings did a complete playthrough with all the sidequests done for maximum GAW and GR rating(I think those are the ratings everyone is using) and then I just read a post where someone claimed they were just in contact with someone from eurogamer and that the leaks are not true and that the endings that are being talked about are for people who didn't import ME2 saves.

Something to that effect is what I'm getting. Once again I think the wise option is to sit back and watch the show unfold. We are either going to get videos on youtube that proves the leaks to be true(not small clips but the entire thing with the multiple endings to put and end to all the speculating) or we wait till the 6th to all find out for ourselves.

[AlphaJarmel]

Black_Vanguard wrote...

Its hard to say. I've read posts where people have claimed said person that has leaked the endings did a complete playthrough with all the sidequests done for maximum GAW and GR rating(I think those are the ratings everyone is using) and then I just read a post where someone claimed they were just in contact with someone from eurogamer and that the leaks are not true and that the endings that are being talked about are for people who didn't import ME2 saves.

Something to that effect is what I'm getting. Once again I think the wise option is to sit back and watch the show unfold. We are either going to get videos on youtube that proves the leaks to be true(not small clips but the entire thing with the multiple endings to put and end to all the speculating) or we wait till the 6th to all find out for ourselves.

Can you find that post for me?

[ArkkAngel007]

The endings being shown aren't much different from the what we saw in the script files. The only real change is that, as far as we know, Shepard doesn't automatically live in a few of the choices, and that the relays are "destroyed" or w/e for all the endings instead of one. The script only went up to the choices the Guardian gives you and the intended effects. Everything after that, aka the epilogue in this case, was not there at the time.

As for what they did to play through, the time frame they responded hinted at an incomplete run, but we can't say for sure. The guy that spoke directly to BSN is going on a NG+ run to see if there's a better ending. He hasn't responded for some time, and though it's now the week days, I think he's spending more time with it...some of his responses indicated he knew what happened in other choices and what the consequences were, which was a bit confusing, such as knowing the difference in what happens if you choose keeping or destroying the collector base.

 Would seem odd to know all the actual effects if only one playthrough was accomplished, or even in multiple, and still have an accurate idea on all the endings and consequences you can receive in the game, in that short amount of time.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 01 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Black_Vanguard]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Black_Vanguard wrote...

Its hard to say. I've read posts where people have claimed said person that has leaked the endings did a complete playthrough with all the sidequests done for maximum GAW and GR rating(I think those are the ratings everyone is using) and then I just read a post where someone claimed they were just in contact with someone from eurogamer and that the leaks are not true and that the endings that are being talked about are for people who didn't import ME2 saves.

Something to that effect is what I'm getting. Once again I think the wise option is to sit back and watch the show unfold. We are either going to get videos on youtube that proves the leaks to be true(not small clips but the entire thing with the multiple endings to put and end to all the speculating) or we wait till the 6th to all find out for ourselves.

Can you find that post for me?

http://social.biowar...dex/9512916/177

Sorry I dont know how to hotlink. ctrl=f to dheer. You should get quotebox that will have his orginal post. He has since edited his post.Once again lots of stuff flying around and hard to find the truth. I hink the best option is to wait and see...I know i'm sounding like broken record now.

[Black_Vanguard]

Black_Vanguard wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Black_Vanguard wrote...

Its hard to say. I've read posts where people have claimed said person that has leaked the endings did a complete playthrough with all the sidequests done for maximum GAW and GR rating(I think those are the ratings everyone is using) and then I just read a post where someone claimed they were just in contact with someone from eurogamer and that the leaks are not true and that the endings that are being talked about are for people who didn't import ME2 saves.

Something to that effect is what I'm getting. Once again I think the wise option is to sit back and watch the show unfold. We are either going to get videos on youtube that proves the leaks to be true(not small clips but the entire thing with the multiple endings to put and end to all the speculating) or we wait till the 6th to all find out for ourselves.

Can you find that post for me?

http://social.biowar...dex/9512916/177

Sorry I dont know how to hotlink. ctrl=f to dheer. You should get quotebox that will have his orginal post. He has since edited his post.Once again lots of stuff flying around and hard to find the truth. I hink the best option is to wait and see...I know i'm sounding like broken record now.

Ok for whatever blasted reason I can't get to that thread by the link. Go to the thread through the spoiler forum. It should be named "So we can't get the ending we want afterall" or something to that extent. Go to page 177 and do the search for dheer.