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[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

The Aussies are just mad that DA:O doesn't have Blight Kangaroos and Dog isn't a dingo.

[thedarkknight28]

ign sucks they always under rate good game

[Wyndham711]

damage1900 wrote...

Alienraptor wrote...

I actually really welcome harsh reviews...

...All in all, a worthwhile review and, despite its unspectacular score, I think it was insightful. I am encouraged by the praise of the gameplay and story, as those are the heart of the experience for me.

The first sensible reply in this whole thread.

Though "insightful" certainly isn't a word I'd ever use to describe this review.

Modifié par Wyndham711, 02 novembre 2009 - 08:12 .

[Pansyrocker]

Two points...

A: Tolkien broke ground at the time, but the books themselves are boring. Three pages to describe mountains or an index for a language that doesn't exist is only going to be interesting to really dedicated nerds. (No offense to those present, I love ya all, but just saying!)

Tolkien's characters weren't into S&M like Terry Goodkinds, they weren't sold into slavery by their evil father like Robin Hobbs, they didn't live in worlds with different gender ideals like Melanie Rawns.

What Tolkien did was merely collect legends and spend a lot of time shaping those legends into a form of fiction that helped with acceptance of the genre and really the modern novel.

That makes him ground breaking. It means people owe him.

It doesn't make him good or currently relevant.

I think the modern reader and gamer has sort of broken from super bland archtypes and that's mostly what Tolkien dealt in.

And B...

About ratings...shouldn't average be a five? If so, it seems like a 7 for sound would not be a negative?

[allothernamesweretaken]

Tip: IGN is trash, and I would be saying this even if they gave Dragon Age a 10.

Modifié par allothernamesweretaken, 02 novembre 2009 - 08:38 .

[Alienraptor]

Obviously Tolkien is a huge influence on all modern fantasy; I don't for a moment think that was his point. When he discusses the influence of LotR he writes:

On that, whereas Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale existed in the Forgotten Realms, well before Peter Jackson could lay influence on how Orcs should look and what constitutes an epic battle sequence. That's right – We're inferring that Dragon Age: Origins does come across as a Lord of the Rings-lite at times. It's frustrating that, in the previous eight years or so, the creative process has been so heavily stunted by Hollywood that it's lost the delicate originality of so many 2D Dungeons & Dragons RPGs.

Note that the reference to The Lord of the Rings is flanked by two nearly-explicit references to the Peter Jackson trilogy. Furthermore, his main criticism is even more pointed: "...on how Orcs should look and what constitutes an epic battle sequence."

These are aspects of the visual design of the game, which serves to establish an atmosphere and setting. Moreover, the reviewer is pointing out the resemblance to Peter Jackson's particular interpretation of Tolkien's work, not the resemblance merely to The Lord of the Rings in general, as the latter is nearly unavoidable.

I think most of the replies here are the ones blinded by bias. If he had made the same points but given the game 9.0 subscores across the board and a >9.0 overall, I suspect there would be significantly less vitriol directed at his assessment. The reviewer makes many good points, and as I wrote before, while I don't agree with his final numerical score, I think his criticisms are nearly all valid. These sorts of reviews help keep the game in perspective, lest we all be sorely disappointed when it doesn't serve us breakfast in bed and **** pure gold.

Modifié par Alienraptor, 02 novembre 2009 - 08:17 .

[Pansyrocker]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The Aussies are just mad that DA:O doesn't have Blight Kangaroos and Dog isn't a dingo.

a dingo ate my darkspawn!

[Alienraptor]

Wyndham711 wrote...
Though "insightful" certainly isn't a word I'd ever use to describe this review.

Perhaps, but I think all new perspectives offer insight. For example, he has been the first to criticize some of the voice acting. I think this is sensible, as I have never played a game in which the voice acting has been perfect all around; even the best efforts include some flat performances. This is insightful and I will take the claims that all 100+ voice actors were Gary Oldmans or Helen Mirrens with a large side of sodium chloride.

[Augerman]

OldhamA wrote...

On the original Aus review - what do they mean the Baldur's Gate saga abruptly ended? The PC turned into a god (or y'know took the other path, though why you'd do that....), that's pretty good closure.

I think he was referring to, Baldurs Gate III, that was in development for about 2 years before Black Isles demise.
Although I read that Atari now has the rights to Baldurs gate, and they might develope some new titles for the series.

[Wyndham711]

I'd like to ask, which non-LOTR-related games or films released after Jakson's movies have taken such a direct influence from those films' visual design? Only example I can think of would be WOTLK's Scourge architecture, which resembles that of Jackson's Mordor, and even that is a very specific case. I just can't see there being any kind of saturation going on in this sense, so it feels very moot to complain about it.

[NetBeansAndJava]

jegillan wrote...
seems to me the reviewer just didn't like the fact that it wasn't BG3 and that the graphics aren't crysis level.

Agreed.  Sounds to me like the reviewer was a little more than biased in expecting a strict BG successor.  Reminds me a lot of Diablo 3 and how die hard fans keep saying it's not enough like Diablo 2.

I will say one thing for the author, however.  Some of the voice acting I've heard in the trailers was definitely sub-par.  Guess good VO talent is hard to come by

[Krai Havok]

I can't wait!

[allothernamesweretaken]

Review scores"seriously need to be phased out.

1)Many people no longer pay attention to the review itself, and just jump straight to the number

2)The spreading delusion that anything below a 9.0 is a "bad" score.

3)It probably a chicken/egg problem, but reviewers that don't use scores tend be better at putting their thoughts on paper, when they don't have a number to fall back on. Yes, even Yahtzee.

Even the ones that just use generic "good" and "not good" type things tend to be better.

[Aratham Darksight]

Wyndham711 wrote...

Umh, he slammed the voice acting quite harshly? I'm extremely surprised about that, especially since Bioware has told and shown us how much care and love went into the VO process. Maybe he felt the characters don't sound natural, since they don't speak contemporary English?

Actually, I can see his point there. In the footage I've seen so far, I found the main cast to be consistently good, but some of the bit characters had voiceovers that left me hoping they're just placeholders. The mayor (I think?) of Redcliffe and a few of the City Elf women from the origin video spring to mind.

[Terwox_]

I've usually had quite abit off respect for IGN, but now that respect has taken a slight tumble.

[damage1900]

Wyndham711 wrote...

damage1900 wrote...

Alienraptor wrote...

I actually really welcome harsh reviews...

...All in all, a worthwhile review and, despite its unspectacular score, I think it was insightful. I am encouraged by the praise of the gameplay and story, as those are the heart of the experience for me.

The first sensible reply in this whole thread.

Though "insightful" certainly isn't a word I'd ever use to describe this review.

...but insightful to the person that made the comment, or is the person's opinion invalid because it doesn't align with your own?
But then my opinion does not align with yours, so your's must be invalid?
It's a conundrum.

[Foxd1e]

*sigh* Those who are defending the reviewer's crappy sound score here are some things to remember if they slipped your mind at the time



1)Bioware didn't have to voice a single line of the Dialogue and we could of just read it all.



2)The game is estimated to take on average 80 hours to complete, and the non-player dialogue is all voiced, that is a lot of lines.



3)It is unrealistic to expect flawless triple A voice acting for all this dialogue.



4)Try to think of another game with excellent voice-acting that has even 25% of the dialogue Dragon Age is going to have.



5)It already probably costed large amounts of money and time for the voice acting as it is and a lot more to completely fine-tune everything.



Just take a look at the big picture thats all, if you think you have and still stand by your point then cool we just don't agree. To please me all the voice acting has to be is, Lines that are read well and convincing, I don't need a shakespearean performance for each encounter.

[OldhamA]

Augerman wrote...

OldhamA wrote...

On the original Aus review - what do they mean the Baldur's Gate saga abruptly ended? The PC turned into a god (or y'know took the other path, though why you'd do that....), that's pretty good closure.

I think he was referring to, Baldurs Gate III, that was in development for about 2 years before Black Isles demise.
Although I read that Atari now has the rights to Baldurs gate, and they might develope some new titles for the series.

Really? There was nowhere for the story to go. BG and BG2 are all about the Bhaalspawn PC. How could you name a game BG3 without featuring him/her?

Oh and whoever said the LOTR books are boring. Really? They're fantastic.

[Wyndham711]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

Wyndham711 wrote...

Umh, he slammed the voice acting quite harshly? I'm extremely surprised about that, especially since Bioware has told and shown us how much care and love went into the VO process. Maybe he felt the characters don't sound natural, since they don't speak contemporary English?

Actually, I can see his point there. In the footage I've seen so far, I found the main cast to be consistently good, but some of the bit characters had voiceovers that left me hoping they're just placeholders. The mayor (I think?) of Redcliffe and a few of the City Elf women from the origin video spring to mind.

You could be right Maybe it's also that I'm not even expecting everyone to sound equally good. With this kind of scale that would be pretty much impossible. I mean, Mass Effect didn't have even close as much VO as Dragon Age (and the bulk of ME's VO was done by just 2 actors) and even it had some very plain sounding characters. Some of the random questgivers and other less important people are bound to sound more plain. What I find weird, is how ME wasn't slammed because of some of the more plain VO, and now Dragon Age is... and by the same reviewer.
Personally, as long as I feel the actors are sufficiently in character and don't feel irritable, my needs are filled.

Modifié par Wyndham711, 02 novembre 2009 - 09:00 .

[WabeWalker]

 Yeah, LOL at anybody who complains about Lord Of The Rings being 'bland'. 

Uh, D&D, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate... you know, any fantasy game of any kind actually was inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien. He's the guy who created the whole thing to begin with.

I mean, seriously. 

[Tankenminnet]

Hey, 8.4 is a high score and I'm impressed IGN didn't give a game 10/10! Kudos!

[Kakimori]

Calling Tolkien irrelevant is the height of barbarism.

[kansadoom]

The only reason it was named baldur's gate 3 is that they lost the brand to the D&D license but still had the licence to make D&D games under the name Baldur's gate

[ArielsShadow]

Eh, whatever. I couldn't care less what the review is, I'm buying it on release. Money talks more then anything and unless this game is a 180 from what I expect, I'm buying whatever DLC their going to release.

[Pansyrocker]

Kakimori wrote...

Calling Tolkien irrelevant is the height of barbarism.

He is irrelevant in the modern sense.

You don't think with the exposure we have now and the saturation of fantasy he has become obsolete?

He didn't invent elves. He didn't invent dwarves or wizards.

Most of what he did was modernize german/nordic myths and place them in the form of novels and do a lot of fleshing out of things I don't really care about and I don't think most people steal from. 

Language different from old english, old german, and old norse, etc.

He made fantasy acceptable. That's all I really give him credit for. Making the genre legit.