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[dw99027]

The most annoying thing about Vandies is the camera shake. Really, only they themselves should experience it ,not every squaddie in the vicinity.

[What a Succulent Ass]

U mad, OP?

[SpectreSaren]

You're complaining about Bronze. Do a match on Gold and you'll forget what kill stealing is.

It's so unimportant that I find the idea of getting mad at someone stealing your kill hysterical.

[Wheatax]

dw99027 wrote...

The most annoying thing about Vandies is the camera shake. Really, only they themselves should experience it ,not every squaddie in the vicinity.

Gotta agree with this one though. It takes my aim off a bit >.< Happens a few time when there aren't any Vanguards around too. Not sure why.

[PrinceLionheart]

 

[Esperys]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

 

Perfect

[Maria Caliban]

When I play a human vanguard and spam Charge->Nova, I'm a selfish, kill-stealing bastard who only cares about metals. When I play an asari adept and spam Stasis so people can go to town on immobile targets, I'm a wonderful, caring team player.

Amazing how that is.

[Destructo-Bot]

Maria Caliban wrote...

When I play a human vanguard and
spam Charge->Nova, I'm a selfish, kill-stealing bastard who only
cares about metals. When I play an asari adept and spam Stasis so people
can go to town on immobile targets, I'm a wonderful, caring team
player.

Amazing how that is.

Funny that!

P.s. do you play on PC or other?

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 29 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[mybudgee]

We are all kinda dumb. Putting so much time and energy into a VIDEOGAME that has NOT EVEN BEEN RELEASED! I mean, stop and think about it for a second...
:mellow:

Modifié par mybudgee, 29 février 2012 - 06:34 .

[shenlonzero]

YES! this guy again.... sooo...still mad i stopped that enemy from stomping your head out with my biotic charge? still mad that you were in a 5 to 1 fight with your shields down and i used charge and nova together to cause chaos amongst the enemy? still mad i revived you after charge/nova/heavy melee combo'd the turrent 3 feet behind you? or was it the time i charged across the level to kill the 3 guys running behind you while you ran after a nemesis? sorry bro...well....we are all real sorry.

Modifié par shenlonzero, 29 février 2012 - 06:44 .

[shenlonzero]

seriously though, a good vanguard is priceless on gold. especially a good human vanguard. asari vanguards are sweet but easier to use mainly due to stasis. bronze, it's just for sport and fun.

[snfonseka]

Berkilak wrote...

People are jerks. Vanguards or not. They just make it most obvious because you see them in your sights. but I've had more than my share of kills "stolen" by players who shoot an enemy I've been working on.

But I don't sweat it, as this is a team-based game.

KS doesn't mean kill-stolen in this case. It means kill secured.

Some people really can't understand this.

[snfonseka]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

 

I can't....stop.....laughing

[AndyXTheXGamer360]

I don't understand why people **** about people stealing kills, i say as long as we finish the match and i get my credits you can steal all my kills.
It's also a team game, not Gears or CoD, there isn't a K/D.

[oneDRTYrusn]

My buddy has the same mentality as the OP. I play as Vanguard... have been playing as a Vanguard since the first ME. There's just something about the class that I like, and ME3 multiplayer is no different.

My friend plays as an Engineer and CONSTANTLY berates me for Charge>Nova>Melee>Repeat'ing all over. I'm usually pretty smart about what fights I charge into and usually when I die it's because I try to roll away from enemies and wind up glued to a wall somehow. Overall, though, I'd say I'm pretty dang effective at playing my class. But my buddy doesn't care. He'll even go as far as throwing a little fit of rage halfway through a match, and will sit in cover in some far corner of the map while I take on entire waves... only to mock me when I die.

Anyways, he'll complain that I'm stealing his kills and doesn't understand that the game doesn't reward you for kills, but for the damage that you do. Keep in mind, when I'm working on taking down an Atlas, this is the same guy that will bust out a rocket launcher and smoke it when it's down to 1/4 armor. He CRINGES when he sees that my damage output (points) at the end of the match are double his.

To humor him, I played Vanguard the way he wanted me to play it. I rocked a Mattock (not my usual Pistol), and just peppered crap from a far, spamming my only real ranged ability, Shockwave, for crowd control. We made it to round 3 on Silver. The loss was justifiable to him, though, because he had double the points that I earned.

Just to give him a little bit of perspective, I had him play Vanguard for a few rounds. After he understood how the class works, he hasn't made a peep to me and my "kill-stealing" ways.

I just don't get it why people don't understand the role that Vanguards play. Sure, there are people out there who play like morons, charging off into the sunset, getting themselves murdered, but there's a good number of Vanguards that do it right. If we don't play how we were designed to play, we are essentially useless.

I hate to say it, but I'd rather use my class to the best of my ability, win the round, and gain points for my entire group than to sit behind cover and essentially be gimped the entire game.

Don't like Vanguard? Walk a mile in their shoes and see how they roll. Through experience you'll understand why we HAVE to be the roving band of kill-stealing wrecking balls that we are.

Modifié par oneDRTYrusn, 29 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[Stardusk78]

On Gold Vanguards are rarely team players. They inevitably make a mistake and you can't keep up with them to revive them. I have really grown to dislike the Vanguard on MP, it is simply not a team player and that is why I do MP, to play with good players and team mates but it is possible to be the former without being the latter. Being both is the best combination. I used to play Vanguards in ME2 all the time and I know how the class works well and know it even on MP but that is not the point, the vast majority of Vanguards on Gold still charge off blithely into the enemy, they get killed and we run half way across the map to revive them. It is not only annoying but bad strategy. The other way to play a Vanguard could be like the Krogan Soldier on Gold, as a bodyguard that holds the line but keeps close to the team. The fact is I know some very good Vanguard players who agree with me on this, which only supports my point. Saying that you have to charge like a maniac at everything on Gold is like saying you have to run in and Krogan melee everything to death (which works on Silver) just because you CAN. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.

Modifié par Stardusk78, 29 février 2012 - 08:02 .

[S1L0]

I've defaulted to Vanguard Since Mass Effect 1.
I played ME 1 and ME 2 to completion while barely ever even touching the shotgun.
I'm an unorthodox Vanguard. Wasn't even aware of Charge spamming as a useful
tactic til about a month and a half ago. I have no problem with a person using this strategy.
But to me, It's boring to see it happen every 3 seconds, every enemy, every encounter,
the the first thing a person does. That's just lame.

I may use it as a finisher or as an escape move, or for some other strategic purpose.
Not just purely spamming it.

I'm a Vanguard - WHO LOVES GUNZ - Especially Pistols.

CARNIFEX

This Random unlock system is raking me over the coals.
hours and hours and hours of unlocks
Game REFUSES to give me my CARNIFEX.

...

Modifié par S1L0, 29 février 2012 - 08:05 .

[Stardusk78]

Esperys wrote...

The term "nobody likes a hero" comes to mind.

Fact is, human vanguards are incredibly powerful/capable in the right hands. The immunity frames associated with their 2 core powers means so long as they can continue spamming them without interuption (Atlas/Phantom grab or latency issues) they can lock themselves in animations that make them invulnerable to damage. The fact that these 2 immortalizing abilities also deal out tons of AoE damage means that while they're out there surviving, they're also laying down tons of kills (picking up a few peripheral targets with their AoE without even noticing half the time).

Being a team game, theoretically, this should be a good thing. A class that can step onto the field and really push the team forward. It should be celebrated. But then envy comes into the picture. "They're killing too fast for me to keep up", "They stole my kills", and so on. No amount of these topics is going to change that. When everyone wants the spotlight, no one likes the star.

That is not the issue, the issue is they eventually die and they are half way across the map and surrounded by enemies you you can't revive them.

[Esperys]

Sure, but I've seen CQC infiltrators die off someplace crazy surrounded by enemies. This isn't a vanguard problem. That would be a player problem. In the higher difficulties, a good vanguard will be playing it close to 'base' so to speak. When they die (it's inevitable, everyone dies, they just happen to be in the thick of it when it occurs) all it takes is a good infiltrator to stealth out and get them up again. Hopefully, they've done enough damage before they fell that the rest of the team can mop up without trouble, possibly making getting them up unecessary at that point.

[count_4]

OP, you're either a bad troll or a worse idiot. Take your pick.

[Destructo-Bot]

The general vitriol level on these forums could stand to come down a bit, warranted or not.

Disagree... politely. It makes it a much nicer place for everyone.

[Vendetta815]

Luigitornado wrote...

Sorry vanguard players, but I can't apperciate your charge in bronze-level difficulty.

I see it more as annoyance than, "I bow down to your greatness because you just took out 3 enemies down that I was in the process of elimenating myself."

I'm playing to have fun, not to get a couple of shots in on an enemy just to have a vanguard charge in and "save the day." I haven't tried the harder difficulties yet, and I'm going to guess that vanguards do hold some value because of the more demanding team effort, but I'm finding myself exiting lobbies when I notice a high level vanguard.

Oh, and btw, no one make the argument that kills don't matter. If that were the case then vanguard's wouldn't be so agressive to charge into every enemy on the map.

True team mates watch eachother's backs not steal kills. 

Sorry to say this, but I would certainly not want you on my team. This kind of attitude is kind of silly in a cooporative gaming environment. The Vanguards main job, or at least the job the skills he is given implies is to be upfront in the muck doing damage to enemies and providing a sponge for enemies to shoot at. Maybe instead of trying to shoot his targets, work on lowering the shields of the higher up enemies while he works on the smaller ones to prep them for the vanguard to wipe out. This will help you get the W in your column.

But, It is in the nature of the class itself to be aggressive, that is the best way for a vanguard to assist his team, at least by most standards. But there are multiple ways to play every class, perhaps find friends to play with that suit your gaming style more? Can't really make playstyle demands when you are willingly entering random lobbies. This is how it works sadly.

However, in all fairness, the argument can be made that you deserve to be able to play the game in which way you desire. After all, you will more than likely be paying 50-70 dollars for the game, like a lot of us. So this is your perogitive to be upset by this. But, I would suggest you stick to competitive gaming if that is what you prefer, this type of attitude simply isn't viable nor largely accepted in a co-op setting. 

The question must be asked, why are you playing a cooporative game if you seek to compete with your fellow players as opposed to focusing only on assiting the team as a whole? This is largely what this particular game, and co-op games as a whole generally represent.

Please don't take this as a biased post, I don't play Vanguard. Never been the tanking or sponge type of player.

Not trying to be an ass, as I realize this post can easily be interpreted as such, just discussing it, which is why you made a thread to begin with. 






EDIT:

PrinceLionheart wrote...

 

 

That is awesome. Haha.

Modifié par Vendetta815, 29 février 2012 - 09:21 .

[S1L0]

I am THE VANGUARD.
You Do Not Understand My Point Of View.

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Modifié par S1L0, 29 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[Veloric Wu]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Vanguards are best period no point in arguing about it.