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[Carnage752]

Bebe77 wrote...

if i find out all this is the result of a troll i will squeal with happiness but i dont think it is because the bioware employees arent denieing it they just posted that halfassed "It's not the destination-it's the journey." thread because they are running damage control

Perhaps they are going to let the game speak for istelf?

Perhaps the spoilers are true and it is indeed "damage control"?

Perhaps I need to stop speaking like this?

But there is one certainty: I like masturbating.

Oh oh and BSN needs to be more patient and wait a week. Or something.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

AnimatedMonster wrote...

As Spock once said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Shepard is able to stop an infinite cycle of destruction, but it comes with a lot of personal sacrifice. That's what makes him a hero. It's easy to make a choice if it has no consequences for you.

No victory comes without sacrifice. It's not an interesting story if Shepard succeeds in all aspects.

But there is only ONE choice that can be made here. Which is exactly the point of what I'm saying! You can't choose to give one thing up to save another--in every ending you MUST give up what Shep holds dear to save the galaxy. No exceptions. No alternatives.

[Tom Lehrer]

Radicaly different enddings would be nice but how would we go about it in a way that makes sense? The Reapers are almost God like they are so strong and while our actions have slowed and annoyed them but it took a massive fleet to stop just one of them. The reapers have been doing this for at least 37 million years to stop them we will have to do more them just ram them with ships.

[Maialeth]

I seriously hope that these leaked endings are fake and a troll.. And you know what. If they are.. I won't even be mad about it. I'll gladly, happily, enthusiastically congratulate the troll on a troll well done. Bravo! Hail the Troll king. Epic awesome job. I just.. hope I get the chance to do that.

[Carnage752]

Bebe77 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Bebe77 wrote...

if i find out all this is the result of a troll i will squeal with happiness but i dont think it is because the bioware employees arent denieing it they just posted that halfassed "It's not the destination-it's the journey." thread because they are running damage control

Perhaps they are going to let the game speak for istelf?

Perhaps the spoilers are true and it is indeed "damage control"?

Perhaps I need to stop speaking like this?

But there is one certainty: I like masturbating.

Oh oh and BSN needs to be more patient and wait a week. Or something.

LOL  bsn is funny one minute im raging then im laughing ....... ill never understand

I try to bring a little happiness to the anger wasteland that is this forum

[RiouHotaru]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Richard 060 wrote...

Wouldn't mind if some of the outcomes were as bleak as those posted - it's quite nice to have something like the Virmire decision as the ending, just on a colossal scale.

But it's also fair that, considering the big over-arching concept of ME2 was 'if you put in the work and get the results, everyone can be saved, and you can have the happy ending you want. Or not, if you'd rather go for the bittersweet ending...', we should be able to engineer a KoTOR-style 'congratulations! You just saved the galaxy - have a medal, and kiss the person you've been smouldering over for the entire game!' ending, in addition to all the pyrrhic doom-and-gloom.

Here's a fella who gets it! There should be endings for BOTH SIDES. Not one, not the other. Both! Sad endings, happy endings. Triumphant endings, downcast endings. This game is Choose your Own Adventure. The last pages of those books don't all have the exact same endings!

Indeed.  This right here.

Hell, one of the endings basically requires a ridiculously high GAW total score (Assets x Readiness) to achieve.  But apparently that ending is just another form of the Destroy ending.

The only thing I can think of is that the SPECIFICS of the Max-Score Ending are a lot better than we're making it out to be.

[yoshibb]

Yep.

The real name of the Mass Effect Series:

"Life Sucks Then You Die"

[Maialeth]

I totally agree. I would Love if these endings were possible outcomes.. They sound great as that goes. The fact that as far as we know these are the /only/ options are.. dark, darker and darkest. I'd at least like a little dawn and dusk, some shades of grey in there.

[AnimatedMonster]

DaftArbiter wrote...

AnimatedMonster wrote...

As Spock once said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Shepard is able to stop an infinite cycle of destruction, but it comes with a lot of personal sacrifice. That's what makes him a hero. It's easy to make a choice if it has no consequences for you.

No victory comes without sacrifice. It's not an interesting story if Shepard succeeds in all aspects.

But there is only ONE choice that can be made here. Which is exactly the point of what I'm saying! You can't choose to give one thing up to save another--in every ending you MUST give up what Shep holds dear to save the galaxy. No exceptions. No alternatives.

Playing the prior ME games, I kind of expected that ME3 would end relatively the same for everybody (with small changes between playthroughs). That's the problem with creating a series without canon. In reality, these choices would lead to durastically different outcomes. Unforunately, you can't do that when you're crafting a franchise though. In my opinion, ME is about the illusion of choice rather than actual choice. You can't offer the player a choice between save the Normandy Crew or save Earth. If they make Mass Effect 4, that choice creates a huge divide in the story. Messed up, but reality.

Don't get me wrong though, I totally understand where you are coming from. My biggest criticism has always been the lack of consequences for your actions. I don't think it's fair to say the message of the series is "self determination is wrong" though. Yes, the war with the Reapers has huge consequences for all galatic civilization. It's still a victory though. Society will continue and will eventually thrive again. Mass Effect has always been about HUMANITY's place in the galaxy. In the end, it was a human who was able to shepard (pun-intended) the galaxy's races together to defeat an uncomprimising evil.

[Homebound]

looks like someones been playing that stanley mod for half-life.

[Dean_the_Young]

DaftArbiter wrote...

1. You will defeat the Reapers, but no matter what you do, the galaxy will be crippled.

Depends on how you stop them. It could be a matter of years, decades, or centuries. Your choice.

2. You will stop the invasion, but no matter what you do, the relays are toast, and the citadel is toast too

Depending on what you do, they can be rebuilt.

3. You will save your LI's life, but only temporarily as they will be separated from Shep for all eternity

That's not guaranteed at all. FTL and space ships still exist, after all.

4. You will save your Squad's lives, but only temporarily as they will be separated from everything else for all eternity.

Not this either.

5. You will be plunged into a galactic dark age, but there will be no option to rebuild the relays.

Sure there is.

6. You will ask for an option of a happy ending, but there will never be one.

Depends on what you consider necessary for happy. Plenty of grounds for bitter-sweet at the very least.

7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

Not really.

[casedawgz]

Hey Owlman, shouldn't you be blowing up Earth Prime right about now?

[ArkkAngel007]

DaftArbiter wrote...

No, the first game was about sacrifice. "Sacrifice the council, and save the humans! Sacrifice the human fleet, and save the council!" That was a sacrifice. "Sacrifice Ashley, get Kaidan! Sacrifice Kaidan, get Ashley!" That was a sacrifice.

"Sacrifice the Normandy and its crew, and Shepard's well-being, and the Citadel, and the Relays, and tech in general in EVERY ending to save a bunch of people who will now be shuttered into isolation!" That is not a sacrifice, that is a linear path. It is not any less linear than millions of years of random aliens who died because robot space-squids came into their home systems and turned them into galactic goop.

That's our conflicting opinions.  I feel that this is the final sacrifice that is needed for the galaxy. 

I don't like how it was shoe-horned in one direction, but the people whining about Thane and a few others along with this ending, who all want this sunshine and rainbows shooting out of pony ***es constantly thoughout the game...I get it, but it's at the point of being pathetic almost in the way some go about it, as if the end is nigh and the whole game is ruined.

However, if the NG+ ending is true, people will get their happy ending (except Legion/Geth fans if the Destroy ending is what it is being touted to be).

[bakatronix]

who cares as long as i get to have sex with a reaper.

[AkiKishi]

Crap happens.

But with the previous games setting the tone this seems totally out of place. Especially when so many endings are just different flavours of ****.

[Dark Specie]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I don't like how it was shoe-horned in one direction, but the people whining about Thane and a few others along with this ending, who all want this sunshine and rainbows shooting out of pony ***es constantly thoughout the game...

I don't want sunshine and rainbows, friend . I only ask... Heck there's SO much crap, death and destrustion happening in this game. Planets gets destroyed, a lot of old friends/squadmates can and will die (Mordin, Miranda, Thane, Ashley/Kaidan, etc), Eath can be basically devasted in the end... And then there's the final insult of having the crew and sHepard forcefulyl separated forever. And then there's the fact that Shepard have had to take a lot of crap sicne the beginning og ME1 to. So all things considered, is it too much to want/hope for a happy ending for our Shepard in the end? I'm not asking for sunshine and rainbows, I'm asking about a small bit of happiness for Shepard at the end - such as surviving to reunite with his LI and/or his closest friends at the end. But that's apparently denied us...

[incinerator950]

Save the Galaxy
Possibly accelerate the pinnacle of evolution in life
Saved Earth
Stopped the Reapers
Took command of the most Powerful fleet in the galaxy.

Dunno about you, but you people are still overreacting to the Soap Opera crash that was expected out of you.

[Drxx]

Those endings are not just bad. They are poorly written also (if it;s true ofc). I spend about 300h with Drx Shepard, John Shepard and Oki Sheprad. And I just simply don't want them to die.
It should be my choice.
In RL there is always a choice.

[Dark Specie]

incinerator950 wrote...
Save the Galaxy

Save Earth

Stopped the Reapers.

Oh, right, these CAN possible help giving you the warm fuzzy feeling needed to counteract the disappointment of being separated from your crew and LI. But don't forget that this can vary too: The first may always be true, but it may depend on the state you left the galaxy in when it was time for the ending. Saving the earth, okay, that one may be true as well, though there's always the "Earth devasted" possiblity (the worst of the three, apparently)... . Stopped the reapers, well, that might strictly speaking only be true for the Destroy Ending.

incinerator950 wrote...
Took command of the most Powerful fleet in the galaxy.

That helps you feeling epic for a while, but it may well have evaporated by the time you find the Guardian...

incinerator950 wrote...
Possibly accelerate the pinnacle of evolution in life

I have heard too mixed feelings about this one to truly comment...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 29 février 2012 - 11:37 .

[jeinasindorei]

So... no post game DLC?

[incinerator950]

Dark Specie wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
Save the Galaxy

Save Earth

Stopped the Reapers.

Oh, right, these CAN possible help giving you the warm fuzzy feeling needed to counteract the disappointment of being separated from your crew and LI. But don't forget that this can vary too: The first may always be true, but it may depend on the state you left the galaxy in when it was time for the ending. Saving the earth, okay, that one may be true as well, though there's always the "Earth devasted" possiblity (the worst of the three, apparently)... . Stopped the reapers, well, that might strictly speaking only be true for the Destroy Ending.

incinerator950 wrote...
Took command of the most Powerful fleet in the galaxy.

That helps you feeling epic for a while, but it may well have evaporated by the time you find the Guardian...

incinerator950 wrote...
Possibly accelerate the pinnacle of evolution in life

I have heard too mixed feelings about this one to truly comment...

I was talking about the control ending and taking command of the Reapers.  Even if I'm stuck in a box, I can think of many things to put the Reapers to use.

[Darth Malice113]

Freedom is irrelevant. Self Determination is irrelevant. 

[hawat333]

DaftArbiter wrote...

1. You will defeat the Reapers, but no matter what you do, the galaxy will be crippled.
2. You will stop the invasion, but no matter what you do, the relays are toast, and the citadel is toast too
3. You will save your LI's life, but only temporarily as they will be separated from Shep for all eternity
4. You will save your Squad's lives, but only temporarily as they will be separated from everything else for all eternity.
5. You will be plunged into a galactic dark age, but there will be no option to rebuild the relays.
6. You will ask for an option of a happy ending, but there will never be one.
7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

I think you got the wrong game then.

1. What did you expect? A war with bunnies? Then go play Sims.
2. Again, if you expect no sacrifices, go play Sims.
3. Oh yeah, love simulation! Go play Sims.
4. Oh yeah, social ties that's more important than the story. Let's guess what I'll advise you to play.
5. Oh yeah, it should a piece of cake on instead. Yeah, the Reapers are nothing, they can be defeated with a slingshot, with no consequences. They are like bunnies.
6. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?
7. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?

[Xayoz]

Hold on, dialing the waambulance!

Modifié par Xayoz, 29 février 2012 - 11:52 .