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[Sporothrix]

hawat333 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

1. You will defeat the Reapers, but no matter what you do, the galaxy will be crippled.
2. You will stop the invasion, but no matter what you do, the relays are toast, and the citadel is toast too
3. You will save your LI's life, but only temporarily as they will be separated from Shep for all eternity
4. You will save your Squad's lives, but only temporarily as they will be separated from everything else for all eternity.
5. You will be plunged into a galactic dark age, but there will be no option to rebuild the relays.
6. You will ask for an option of a happy ending, but there will never be one.
7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

I think you got the wrong game then.

1. What did you expect? A war with bunnies? Then go play Sims.
2. Again, if you expect no sacrifices, go play Sims.
3. Oh yeah, love simulation! Go play Sims.
4. Oh yeah, social ties that's more important than the story. Let's guess what I'll advise you to play.
5. Oh yeah, it should a piece of cake on instead. Yeah, the Reapers are nothing, they can be defeated with a slingshot, with no consequences. They are like bunnies.
6. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?
7. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?

Huh? Until now nothing suggested it's a game for 12 year old emo wannabes...

[DoctorUburian]

Was it too much ask for at least have the opportunity to achieve a The lord of the rings stile ending?

[incinerator950]

DoctorUburian wrote...

Was it too much ask for at least have the opportunity to achieve a The lord of the rings stile ending?

No, instead of using a larger, well known cliche, they decided that a less known cliche with a new meaning of sacrifice was better.

[John Never Dies]

How about we play the game first herp a derps.

[Sporothrix]

incinerator950 wrote...

DoctorUburian wrote...

Was it too much ask for at least have the opportunity to achieve a The lord of the rings stile ending?

No, instead of using a larger, well known cliche, they decided that a less known cliche with a new meaning of sacrifice was better.

So ultimately they cheated their fans, because it should be us to decide what kind of result will be at the end. Sacrificing few for many or vice versa.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

hawat333 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

1. You will defeat the Reapers, but no matter what you do, the galaxy will be crippled.
2. You will stop the invasion, but no matter what you do, the relays are toast, and the citadel is toast too
3. You will save your LI's life, but only temporarily as they will be separated from Shep for all eternity
4. You will save your Squad's lives, but only temporarily as they will be separated from everything else for all eternity.
5. You will be plunged into a galactic dark age, but there will be no option to rebuild the relays.
6. You will ask for an option of a happy ending, but there will never be one.
7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

I think you got the wrong game then.

1. What did you expect? A war with bunnies? Then go play Sims.
2. Again, if you expect no sacrifices, go play Sims.
3. Oh yeah, love simulation! Go play Sims.
4. Oh yeah, social ties that's more important than the story. Let's guess what I'll advise you to play.
5. Oh yeah, it should a piece of cake on instead. Yeah, the Reapers are nothing, they can be defeated with a slingshot, with no consequences. They are like bunnies.
6. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?
7. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?

DId you read the rest of my post? It's not about a happy ending.

It's about not having any options to an ending. There's no choice. Nothing you do matters at the end of the series because every ending has the same consequences, more or less--the cycle ends, the Normandy Crew is damned, the galaxy is damned for thousands of years, Shepard either dies or spends the rest of his life in abject misery.

You can't change any of it. You can't get a "Reapers win" ending either. There's only one side to it, one endgame, and no choices which really, truly matter to that end. One decision completely overrides everything else you did and renders it pointless.

[incinerator950]

Most likely not in Abstract Mysery. You assume Shepard would because you emotionally pretend Shepard is outside of the box that Bioware wrote. The choices have been very straightforward, moderately to non-existant consequentially, and really just sounds like you wanted a Soap Opera ending. Even a falling-down Soap Opera ending.

Also, the Endings for ME 1 and ME 2 were very linear, illusion choices that didn't make a huge difference in the sequels. At this point, the only retort left would be to say there is nothing left would be to go crazy, and which they already did.

This is what happens when the entire game is a general plot that has too many variables to attempt to change.

[charredrex]

DaftArbiter wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

1. You will defeat the Reapers, but no matter what you do, the galaxy will be crippled.
2. You will stop the invasion, but no matter what you do, the relays are toast, and the citadel is toast too
3. You will save your LI's life, but only temporarily as they will be separated from Shep for all eternity
4. You will save your Squad's lives, but only temporarily as they will be separated from everything else for all eternity.
5. You will be plunged into a galactic dark age, but there will be no option to rebuild the relays.
6. You will ask for an option of a happy ending, but there will never be one.
7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

I think you got the wrong game then.

1. What did you expect? A war with bunnies? Then go play Sims.
2. Again, if you expect no sacrifices, go play Sims.
3. Oh yeah, love simulation! Go play Sims.
4. Oh yeah, social ties that's more important than the story. Let's guess what I'll advise you to play.
5. Oh yeah, it should a piece of cake on instead. Yeah, the Reapers are nothing, they can be defeated with a slingshot, with no consequences. They are like bunnies.
6. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?
7. That really surprises you? What are we fighting? Bunnies?

DId you read the rest of my post? It's not about a happy ending.

It's about not having any options to an ending. There's no choice. Nothing you do matters at the end of the series because every ending has the same consequences, more or less--the cycle ends, the Normandy Crew is damned, the galaxy is damned for thousands of years, Shepard either dies or spends the rest of his life in abject misery.

You can't change any of it. You can't get a "Reapers win" ending either. There's only one side to it, one endgame, and no choices which really, truly matter to that end. One decision completely overrides everything else you did and renders it pointless.

Agreed.  For supposedly having so many choices, we are certainly left with none when it comes down to it.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Anyone remember the Mad Prophet from 2, and what he says? His last few lines:

"Bring unto me the children, that I may watch them grow to soldiers for the cause." The way is clear, my friends. Draw your weapons for the Word, or face its terrible wrath!  "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh. Those who dip their extremities in the well of sin and vice must repent with fire, oil, and gun! Let not fleshly friendships and base urges compel us to sin and neglect." The Word makes its demands, and it demands obedience! "And on this great station, the pure shall be rejected, and the lesser races given their places in heaven. And this shall be the beginning of the end."[/i] The end times are upon us! Repent and RESTORE your SOULS TO GLORY!

"The Children" = Team Shepard, harvested from normal lives to become pawns to fight and eventually get thrown into oblivion.

"End times...not with a bang, but with a sigh" = Shepard & Friends fade away, rather than going out in a blaze of glory, and that's even if you destroy the Reapers at all.  Otherwise the story ends quietly.

"Let not fleshly friendships and base urges compel us to sin and neglect" = Friendships were always irrelevant, and they will not be a possibility to influence a change in the end of the game.  No matter what you do, or who you knew, it's the same.

"The word...demands obedience" = All the endings are cast in stone, and Shepard and the galaxy are slaves to his decision.

"Pure shall be rejected, and the lesser races given their places in heaven" = even with "Perfect paragon" Shep and the "perfect" ending, it's not a real change from the rest of the endings.

The end times are upon us, indeed.

[Aggie Punbot]

"Son, you tried your best and you failed horribly. The lesson here is: never try." ~ Homer Simpson ~

[incinerator950]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Anyone remember the Mad Prophet from 2, and what he says? His last few lines:

"Bring unto me the children, that I may watch them grow to soldiers for the cause." The way is clear, my friends. Draw your weapons for the Word, or face its terrible wrath!  "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh. Those who dip their extremities in the well of sin and vice must repent with fire, oil, and gun! Let not fleshly friendships and base urges compel us to sin and neglect." The Word makes its demands, and it demands obedience! "And on this great station, the pure shall be rejected, and the lesser races given their places in heaven. And this shall be the beginning of the end."[/i] The end times are upon us! Repent and RESTORE your SOULS TO GLORY!

"The Children" = Team Shepard, harvested from normal lives to become pawns to fight and eventually get thrown into oblivion.

"End times...not with a bang, but with a sigh" = Shepard & Friends fade away, rather than going out in a blaze of glory, and that's even if you destroy the Reapers at all.  Otherwise the story ends quietly.

"Let not fleshly friendships and base urges compel us to sin and neglect" = Friendships were always irrelevant, and they will not be a possibility to influence a change in the end of the game.  No matter what you do, or who you knew, it's the same.

"The word...demands obedience" = All the endings are cast in stone, and Shepard and the galaxy are slaves to his decision.

"Pure shall be rejected, and the lesser races given their places in heaven" = even with "Perfect paragon" Shep and the "perfect" ending, it's not a real change from the rest of the endings.

The end times are upon us, indeed.

I like this.

[basbaker]

DoctorUburian wrote...

Was it too much ask for at least have the opportunity to achieve a The lord of the rings stile ending?

Actually, the LotR ending is pretty bittersweet.  Yes, mankind defeats the ultimate evil and saves the world, but at what cost?  The elves, who basically brought a level of beauty and grace to the world that man could never hope to achieve, couldn't stay.  So the world remains, in diminished form.  As far as the hobbits go, the Shire is saved, but the person who toiled the hardest and longest to make all of the happiness possible is so scarred from the experience that he can't bear to remain.  He saved the Shire, but not for himself.  He too fades away into obscurity.

But to get back on topic, I'm hoping for some variety in the endings as well.  I'm a sucker for "happily ever after" even when it's not very realistic.  Ultimately, though, BioWare is telling us a story.  And while it's partly our story as the gamer, it's primarily their story as the writer.  Whatever the outcome, I'm just hoping that when it's all taken in context with all the other elements of the game, all the emotions, choices, sacrifices - that the ending does the series justice.

[incinerator950]

basbaker wrote...

Ultimately, though, BioWare is telling us a story.  And while it's partly our story as the gamer, it's primarily their story as the writer.  Whatever the outcome, I'm just hoping that when it's all taken in context with all the other elements of the game, all the emotions, choices, sacrifices - that the ending does the series justice.

Congratulations, you win the prize.

[Giantdeathrobot]

A galaxy-ending invasion by giant evil starships of doom has consequences beyond the hero (maybe) dying in a blaze of glory? Heresy!

What the hell is your point anyway, OP? Self-determination is wrong? because the ending isin't sunshine and bunnies? What did you want, exactly? What would get the self-determination back in the game (which is a lolworthy claim at best, as if previous Bioware games didn't railroad you to the max down a road. Not that this is bad, you need that kind of railroading to present a story, but it seems like it's only an issue now because the OP doesn't like the ending)?

[WizenSlinky0]

basbaker wrote...

DoctorUburian wrote...

Was it too much ask for at least have the opportunity to achieve a The lord of the rings stile ending?

Actually, the LotR ending is pretty bittersweet.  Yes, mankind defeats the ultimate evil and saves the world, but at what cost?  The elves, who basically brought a level of beauty and grace to the world that man could never hope to achieve, couldn't stay.  So the world remains, in diminished form.  As far as the hobbits go, the Shire is saved, but the person who toiled the hardest and longest to make all of the happiness possible is so scarred from the experience that he can't bear to remain.  He saved the Shire, but not for himself.  He too fades away into obscurity.

But to get back on topic, I'm hoping for some variety in the endings as well.  I'm a sucker for "happily ever after" even when it's not very realistic.  Ultimately, though, BioWare is telling us a story.  And while it's partly our story as the gamer, it's primarily their story as the writer.  Whatever the outcome, I'm just hoping that when it's all taken in context with all the other elements of the game, all the emotions, choices, sacrifices - that the ending does the series justice.

Yes, it was bittersweet...the sweet part still being there being the key part. Had the normandy not been thrown through a wizards portal I'd say the endings are actually bittersweet. As is they are just bitter, for me anyway.

Really when it comes down to it I hope everyone except me can enjoy the endings. I hope the framing is so well done and so great that it is a satisfying and justifiable ending for everyone. I don't want to or need to convince people they are wrong.

However, for me there is no possible way they could frame the emotions, choices, or sacrifices with the current ending to make me feel like it is a satisfying end. It just depresses me at the end of the day. I wish it was just sad but satisfying, but the normandy's fate is not at all satisfying for me. It's a disservice to what they've done for such a bleak and underpowered send off. I'd much rather they just had the normandy and crew die stalling the reapers for Shepard, it would have been ten times better of a fate than what we are currently getting, and actually satisfying.

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

Bebe77 wrote...

if i find out all this is the result of a troll i will squeal with happiness but i dont think it is because the bioware employees arent denieing it they just posted that halfassed "It's not the destination-it's the journey." thread because they are running damage control

I was thinking the same thing....where is all the BW people in all of the threads going around?

[Clayless]

I don't understand, saving the entire history of the galaxy and it's future is considered failing? Everything humanity and the other races have achieved and ever will achieve is considered a bad thing?

[Dunmer of Redoran]

We can argue all day on most of the points I make but:

Imperium Alpha wrote...

7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust. 

   

There is no more choice in ME3 than there is in ME1. Knowing ME2 only offer 2 option while the other two offer 3 ending. Choice you did in previous game become War Asset allowing you to get some small alteration in those ending. Thats choice if you expect more. You are fooling yourself. BioWare nor any company ever offer true control.

And what did I say? BW is the Reapers. Nothing our "cycle" can do about them.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand, saving the entire history of the galaxy and it's future is considered failing? Everything humanity and the other races have achieved and ever will achieve is considered a bad thing?

", explorers on Mars discovered the remains of an ancient spacefaring civilization.
In the decades that followed, these mysterious artifacts revealed startling new technologies, enabling travel to the furthest stars.
The basis for this incredible technology was a force that controlled the very fabric of space and time.
They called it the greatest discovery in human history.
The civilizations of the galaxy call it...
Mass Effect."

But the Mass Relays get destroyed (the picture shows them being torn apart on all 3 colored endings). So... it's not "everything" that's saved. And advances could have beenmade from joint constructions, like the Normandy SR1.

Now it's kind of difficult to do those?

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 29 février 2012 - 02:39 .

[Sporothrix]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

A galaxy-ending invasion by giant evil starships of doom has consequences beyond the hero (maybe) dying in a blaze of glory? Heresy!

What the hell is your point anyway, OP? Self-determination is wrong? because the ending isin't sunshine and bunnies? What did you want, exactly? What would get the self-determination back in the game (which is a lolworthy claim at best, as if previous Bioware games didn't railroad you to the max down a road. Not that this is bad, you need that kind of railroading to present a story, but it seems like it's only an issue now because the OP doesn't like the ending)?

That emo thrill about how extatic an ending where every character you care about is doomed gets boring. It won't change a fact that for overwhelming majority it's extremely unsatisfying and dissapointing, especially while you have no choice at all about it.

Modifié par misoretu9, 29 février 2012 - 02:46 .

[xtorma]

I thought when you destroy a relay it creates a super nova sized explosion. wouldnt that destroy all the council races home planets , and anything else even remotly close to a relay?

[Clayless]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand, saving the entire history of the galaxy and it's future is considered failing? Everything humanity and the other races have achieved and ever will achieve is considered a bad thing?

", explorers on Mars discovered the remains of an ancient spacefaring civilization.
In the decades that followed, these mysterious artifacts revealed startling new technologies, enabling travel to the furthest stars.
The basis for this incredible technology was a force that controlled the very fabric of space and time.
They called it the greatest discovery in human history.
The civilizations of the galaxy call it...
Mass Effect."

But the Mass Relays get destroyed (the picture shows them being torn apart on all 3 colored endings). So... it's not "everything" that's saved. And advances could have beenmade from joint constructions, like the Normandy SR1.

Now it's kind of difficult to do those?

But they still have FTL travel and the future is saved.

How is this a bad thing?

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand, saving the entire history of the galaxy and it's future is considered failing? Everything humanity and the other races have achieved and ever will achieve is considered a bad thing?

", explorers on Mars discovered the remains of an ancient spacefaring civilization.
In the decades that followed, these mysterious artifacts revealed startling new technologies, enabling travel to the furthest stars.
The basis for this incredible technology was a force that controlled the very fabric of space and time.
They called it the greatest discovery in human history.
The civilizations of the galaxy call it...
Mass Effect."

But the Mass Relays get destroyed (the picture shows them being torn apart on all 3 colored endings). So... it's not "everything" that's saved. And advances could have beenmade from joint constructions, like the Normandy SR1.

Now it's kind of difficult to do those?

But they still have FTL travel and the future is saved.

How is this a bad thing?

I think we lose the Mass Effect part?

[Clayless]

The Relays.

And even then, how is saving everything a bad thing? Like what is the point in fighting the reapers if you didn't care about saving everyone? If you couldn't care less about the galaxy then what is the point?

I'm fighting to save the galaxy, in the biggest war it has ever seen, and if the galaxy is saved then I'm happy.