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[panamakira]

Scouren wrote...

I still have a feeling the person who released the "spoilers" is trolling us to the max.

LMAO! I really hope so but I doubt it~

[Maialeth]

DarxydeBluus wrote...

It's basically Terminator 3. The lesson of the first two movies was, "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves." In 3 it became, "No matter what you do, you're screwed".

I also love the argument that the people who dislike the endings or want a happy ending want "bunnies, rainbows, and sunshine". I'm sure there might be some people who want that "perfect" ending but I think most of us want something just reasonably happy. Something that doesn't, at best, abandon you and your crew to a slow, painful death. I've expected loss, I've expected personal loss, I didn't expect a kick in the teeth.

I don't even care about avoiding the slow painful death by starvation. (though I'd rather that not happen) I'd have been alright with a Shep N Crew are stranded, doomed to die a slow painful starvation death together, rather than this Forever alone BS.

[Elite Midget]

Funny how we're supposed to care about our Squaddies but in the end you must die or end up forever alone? What's the point than? You could have slapped no ones in their place if that's how things must end regardless of your actions.

[Tietj]

Maialeth wrote...

DarxydeBluus wrote...

It's basically Terminator 3. The lesson of the first two movies was, "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves." In 3 it became, "No matter what you do, you're screwed".

I also love the argument that the people who dislike the endings or want a happy ending want "bunnies, rainbows, and sunshine". I'm sure there might be some people who want that "perfect" ending but I think most of us want something just reasonably happy. Something that doesn't, at best, abandon you and your crew to a slow, painful death. I've expected loss, I've expected personal loss, I didn't expect a kick in the teeth.

I don't even care about avoiding the slow painful death by starvation. (though I'd rather that not happen) I'd have been alright with a Shep N Crew are stranded, doomed to die a slow painful starvation death together, rather than this Forever alone BS.

To be fair, I don't think there will be any starvation.  For one thing, it seems to be heavily implied that the epilogue takes place in the colony that the Normandy crew started, which would imply that they are not actually stranded on a deserted planet.  Nowhere is it stated in the leaks that the planet is deserted or that anyone will starve.

[Nerevar-as]

If Tali and Garrus are onboard, they´ll die from aminoacid deficiency. I really doubt there´ll be a planet with both D and L aa species.

[brfritos]

So yeah...life isn't fair, right?

Deal with it!

[iheartbob]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Also, you don't save someone you love so that you can keep them. You save them because you love them. Everything else is irrelevant.

THIS.

Someone also mentioned a while back that destroying the mass relays is actually an act of self-determination, because it destoys the link every civilization unwittingly had to the reapers.  Nothing about those civilizations was self-determined.  Their space-faring ability was all predetermined and not their own.

I'm certainly not completely onboard with the supposed leaked endings, but again I haven't seen any visual evidence that supports them.  There have been no videos or pictures uploaded of the Normandy crew being stranded, and until there are I will simply wait and see.

[Corvus Metus]

Geirahod wrote...

Corvus Metus wrote...

1. You will defeat the Reapers, but no matter what you do, the galaxy will be crippled.
Look at any war.   Even the victors are often suffering.

2. You will stop the invasion, but no matter what you do, the relays are toast, and the citadel is toast too.
Wouldn't the destuction of the Mass Relays actually be a step towards self-determination, as you are no longer using the tools of a race of machine gods?

3. You will save your LI's life, but only temporarily as they will be separated from Shep for all eternity
4. You will save your Squad's lives, but only temporarily as they will be separated from everything else for all eternity.

Do they die? Not that I know of.  So you still save them. 

5. You will be plunged into a galactic dark age, but there will be no option to rebuild the relays.
Again, without the Mass Relays, which are the tools of what amounts to a race of mechanical old gods, the races of the galaxy can evolve at their own pace.  Besides, if the relays don't actually explode into bits there's always a chance of them reactivating in future games.  (Mass Effect is a franchise, ME1-3 is Shepard's story.)

6. You will ask for an option of a happy ending, but there will never be one.
Personally, if the leaked endings are true, I'm disappointed more of them don't have Shepard dying.  Then again, I'm a sucker for a heroic sacrifice.

7. You will have done everything you could do, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
Go back to point one.

And you can't understand that this is a game and not the real life?

It's science fiction for christ sake! and it's a game based on choices, how can you have a "bad" ending if you have tried to do everything right?
How hard is that to understand? I would even tolerate if the relays are destroyed but Shepard remaining alive with the crew on Earth helping the survivors to restore what they lost...
That's the ending that I would like to see, I don't really think that all will be sunshine and bunnies....

I understand that it's a game. 

That being said, I'm a big fan of "grimdark" endings and heroic sacrifices.   I get why people want a happy ending, although I cannot understand why people expect it.  Especially when the Reapers take so much influnce from the idea of the Lovecraftian Old God. 

[Chassthemighty]

You know, at first I was upset. Furious even. Mass Effect was supposed to be a glorious space opera. A hard(ish) scifi Star Wars. We were supposed to make it out alive with our friends, and all would be well in the galaxy. All my rage, all my hate. But you know, then I sat down and thought about it. I thought about why my Shepard was out in the galaxy in the first place.

My Shepard, like all my heroes really only has two goals. To acquire love interests, and proceed to procreate consensually in the missionary position for the sole purpose of recreation (Because if Star Wars taught me anything, it's that the only way anything ever gets done is if it's entrusted to the hero, or the hero's family/descendants), and to win. And I think at the end of all this, even with the horrible endings that are supposed to be true, these goals were accomplished.

My Shepard set out as an orphan, with nothing and no one, and became the hero of Elysium. He stood fast against Saren, he saved the council, because humanity would prove it's superiority with honest hard work, he didn't compromise his morals to the Illusive Man. And if, at the end of all this, it means giving his life, and the lives of his comrades to beat the Reapers.. So be it. Because only in death does duty end. Even if it sucks, even if the galaxy must rebuild for thousand of years, that means that Shepard, that I, won.

That means that however hard the road is, no matter how terrible the end is, it's worth it. Shepard won. The hero triumphed. Even in death, even in misery, even in the collapse of civilization - Shepard won. And I guess seeing all these posts, going through the stages of whatever made me realize, that's what matters to me as player, and to my Shepard as a hero. The galaxy will survive. Humanity, and all the other races will survive. In the face of an extinction cycle that has endured for millenia, Shepard spit in it's face and said no. And he won. And that's what matters.

/rant

Sorry, I needed to get that out, after all my emotional turmoil.

[Julia343]

* I don't see a way for an all roses ending to this story without the Deus Ex Machina.

* I don't see any possible way for a military victory against the Reapers. Something will have to be given up to stop them -- the technology of the old machines. We will have to go our own way.

* Not mentioned in the OP -- Defeating the Reapers doesn't mean we will even get rid of them permanently. We may just end up tricking (computer virus) them into thinking they're done and send them back into dark space for slumber for another 50,000 yrs. This may be possible depending upon what choices were made in ME2 and that we make throughout ME3. 50,000 yrs is a long time. Still all the civilizations bare the scars of war and the mistrust built up between each other. Some scars do not heal. Each civilization is plunged into a dark age that may last for several hundred years. Some are gone. Of course this depends upon what sacrifices we're willing to make. We may also have a Krogan problem. Or another Rachni problem. Or both. This may be the "happiest" we get.

* If we are given a 50,000 yr reprieve, will we go down the same path that the first ones did who built the reapers in our false quest for ascension?

* Shepard dies. The good of the many outweigh the good of the few or the one.

* I do see that every single ending needs to have a sacrifice. No character is coming out of this without PTSD. Even EDI is going to need therapy.

I don't know about these leaked endings. If they are true. Fine. I'll know sometime around the 20th of March. I'm not going to do a marathon playthrough. You kiddies can do that.

[BellaStrega]

I'm not particularly fussed at this point, as I haven't played the game.

However, I will say that I was a bit uncertain that Bioware could pull off an ending that actually made sense within the context of the conflict established in the first two games.

I also think that there's a huge difference between eliminating Mass Relay travel and all spacefaring civilizations being annihilated, re-engineered, or assimilated by the Reapers. The former is a shock to civilization, but one that the various species will be able to survive through and eventually thrive. The latter is just the end.

Also, the whole thing strikes me as bigger than Shepard and squadmates. To me, the story wasn't about "what does Shepard get to do after the war is over?" But "What will the war cost civilization?"

Finally, I think taking the endings (if these are the real endings) out of context from the rest of Mass Effect 3 is likely biasing reactings. What seems arbitrary and cruel when presented like this may actually make logical and storytelling sense when you've actually played all the way through.

[Carnage752]

The reason I'm mad isn't because of the endings: They are actually alright. It's the lack of endings that pisses me off. Why can't the Reapers win? Why can't you stay with your love interest? I'm hoping against hope that this is somehow Bioware striking back at piracy with this trolling XD but whatever. The journey is good, but the destination is quite limited.

[BellaStrega]

I guess to me the point isn't whether or not Shepard gets a happily ever after, but whether galactic society gets an after at all.

As for whether the Reapers could win, well, that's not really the kind of thing you see in most video games. You couldn't join with Dagoth Ur in Morrowind, you couldn't take Jon Irenicus' side in Baldur's Gate II, you couldn't finish KOTOR without killing Darth Malak (although the Dark Side ending does come close to what a Light Side loss would be), you can't join forces with The Master in Fallout. The Reapers couldn't win in ME1 or ME2. In the latter case, the Reapers could invade if you just watched the clock tick down in Arrival, but you'd literally have to do nothing to lose.

I'm not saying that there's never any point to setting up loss conditions, or writing a game wherein you can join the bad guys instead of fighting them, but I don't recall a lot of video games having endings catering to "You utterly failed," so I do not understand why this would be an expectation in ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

Not to mention that I'm willing to bet a hefty non-existent sum that the ending is a bit more open ended than people are acting.


If you take the consensus as fact, you'd swear that FTL suddenly became impossible and that it was written on the screen that no one ever found anyone ever again.

[monrapias]

I am yet to see the actual leak.

I've seen alot of people writing stuff, but not a video or anything.

[Chaos Reaper X]

The leaks are real. Go on youtube and do a search. The names of the videos are weird in order to avoid the banhammer. Initially I disbelieved, but now I am a sad believer. However, the context of the story might make the endings a little less bitter sweet, if only by a little. I am sorry folks.

[BellaStrega]

Hmm, too weird for me to find them. Might as well not exist...

[Texhnolyze101]

Im not really bothered as this game will be played with a "whatever" attitude than im done.

[Blablabla79]

Corvus Metus wrote...


Wouldn't the destuction of the Mass Relays actually be a step towards self-determination, as you are no longer using the tools of a race of machine gods?

Doesn't the destruction of a Mass Relay wipe out the entire system it is in?

[Nathan Redgrave]

Chassthemighty wrote...

You know, at first I was upset. Furious even. Mass Effect was supposed to be a glorious space opera. A hard(ish) scifi Star Wars. We were supposed to make it out alive with our friends, and all would be well in the galaxy. All my rage, all my hate. But you know, then I sat down and thought about it. I thought about why my Shepard was out in the galaxy in the first place.

My Shepard, like all my heroes really only has two goals. To acquire love interests, and proceed to procreate consensually in the missionary position for the sole purpose of recreation (Because if Star Wars taught me anything, it's that the only way anything ever gets done is if it's entrusted to the hero, or the hero's family/descendants), and to win. And I think at the end of all this, even with the horrible endings that are supposed to be true, these goals were accomplished.

My Shepard set out as an orphan, with nothing and no one, and became the hero of Elysium. He stood fast against Saren, he saved the council, because humanity would prove it's superiority with honest hard work, he didn't compromise his morals to the Illusive Man. And if, at the end of all this, it means giving his life, and the lives of his comrades to beat the Reapers.. So be it. Because only in death does duty end. Even if it sucks, even if the galaxy must rebuild for thousand of years, that means that Shepard, that I, won.

That means that however hard the road is, no matter how terrible the end is, it's worth it. Shepard won. The hero triumphed. Even in death, even in misery, even in the collapse of civilization - Shepard won. And I guess seeing all these posts, going through the stages of whatever made me realize, that's what matters to me as player, and to my Shepard as a hero. The galaxy will survive. Humanity, and all the other races will survive. In the face of an extinction cycle that has endured for millenia, Shepard spit in it's face and said no. And he won. And that's what matters.

/rant

Sorry, I needed to get that out, after all my emotional turmoil.

*clap. clap. clap.*

Well said, sir. Well said.

[Zyrious]

Aren't we also all missing the in-game cinematics, those rendered by the engine rather than the pre-rendered stuff seen on youtube? Since our shepard can't be in any of the pre-rendered cutscenes, could we not be missing out on more stuff which takes place via in-game stuff? Stuff that couldnt be extracted from the game files since it is rendered while in-game using your character models and choices.

Further the leaked scripts were "Unfinished" and at the time i even recall bioware saying not to take them at face value as they were still adjusting some plot points at the time. While the overall craptastic nature of the endings still seems to be in place, i'm just sayinig we should keep in mind that there may be a great deal of scenes and even dialogue we are missing inbetween and after all of the pre-rendered cutscenes.

As for the "Relays getting destroyed", this is something that i kind of expected in some sense. A major plot point all the way back in Mass Effect 1 was that the reapers always succeeded because civilizations were reliant on their technology, and developed as the reapers wanted them too. Thus, in order to defeat the reapers, we had to shed their technology and the path THEY set, and go on our own path and define our own futures. So IMO the destruction of the relays is VERY fitting of the series.

However, as for the Shepard and crew status, i agree from what i've read it seems pretty crappy. Again however, there may be things were are missing in game and with dialogue, and some "Endings" may not even use a pre-rendered cutscene. Never know, but optimistic appraisal i know.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Carnage752 wrote...

The reason I'm mad isn't because of the endings: They are actually alright. It's the lack of endings that pisses me off. Why can't the Reapers win? Why can't you stay with your love interest? I'm hoping against hope that this is somehow Bioware striking back at piracy with this trolling XD but whatever. The journey is good, but the destination is quite limited.

This is my opinion as well. It's just...it's so foolish to have 3 endings that are more or less the same. If I could, I would remove none of these endings, but I'd at least add:

-Reapers win, cycle continues
-Shepard wins, the relays survive, the Normandy crew is on Earth, Shep dies
-Shepard wins, the relays survive, the Normandy crew is on Earth, Shep survives

[December Man]

DaftArbiter wrote...
Bioware has become the Reapers.

"No! I want to kill Reapers!"
"No Shepard, you are the Reapers!"
And then Bioware was Harbinger.

[Julia343]

During this last playthrough, I've come to the conclusion.... this most recent Shepard deserves to die. Tali is not loyal, but her father wanted it this way. Renegade +34. Quarians go to war w/ Geth. TIM gets David.

But seriously, could any of you actually see a happily ever after ending to this story with everything that's transpired? Honestly? Even you paragon Shepards?

[DarkPsylocke26]

You won't know the endings of the game unitl you ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME.