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[Moose Invictus]

I can't imagine needing another weapon once you max out a Carnifex. Even at levels below V, it's simply a showstopper for most enemies and offers a better balance of long and short range power than any other gun in the game. Even the Widow and Claymore simply do a ton of damage in one shot and then leave you for the wolves in the meantime.

[Sabresandiego]

Anyone else have opinions on the weapons, including full game weapons?

[iSignIn]

Predator: 6
Phalanx: 7
Carnifex: 9
Scorpion: 8

Katana: 6
Scimitar: 7
Claymore: 5
Eviscerator: 4

Shuriken:  4
Tempest: 5
Locust: 3
Hornet: 5

Viper: 7
Mantis: 8
Widow: 10
Raptor: 9

Avenger: 6
Mattock: 6
Revenant: 5

[Hatem]

Widow is beast. I can't put it down since I got it. Widow > All (from a narrow point of view of an Infiltrator that is).

[Relix28]

Predator: 3
Phalanx: 7
Carnifex: 9

Katana: 8
Scimitar: 8
Claymore: 7

Shuriken:  3
Tempest: 5
Locust: 5
Hornet: 4

Viper: 7
Mantis: 8
Widow: 10

Avenger: 6
Mattock: 8
Revenant: 5

[capn233]

Predator: 6
Phalanx: 7
Carnifex: 10

Katana: 8
Scimitar: 8
Claymore: 7

Shuriken: 3
Tempest: 5
Locust: 5
Hornet: 4

Viper: 6
Mantis: 8.5
Widow: 9

Avenger: 5
Mattock: 7
Revenant: 4

[squidney2k1]

Predator - 7
Phalanx - 9
Carnifex - 9
Scorpion - 4

Katana - 8
Scimitar - 9
Claymore - 7
Eviscerator - Have not tried it

Shuriken - 5
Tempest - 4
Locust - 4
Hornet - 3

Viper - 6
Mantis - 10
Widow - 10
Raptor - 9

Avenger - 8
Mattock - 9
Revenant - 6

[TexasToast712]

Mattock with a scope gets a 9 in my book.

[Butthead11]

 
Predator - 4
Phalanx - 7
Carnifex - 8


Katana - 8
Scimitar - 8
Claymore - 7


Shuriken - 1
Tempest - 1
Locust - 2
Hornet - 2

Viper - 7
Mantis - 9
Widow - 10


Avenger - 10
Mattock - 4
Revenant - 1

[mysticforce42]

Sabresandiego wrote...

SMG get a weight upgrade which makes them weigh nearly nothing. They are a sidearm.

A little bit of weight is still extra weight if you don't actually need them for anything.

When was the last time you thought "I wish I had a SMG right about now"?

As it stands, SMGs are overshadowed by pistols and assult rifles - if you want a light weight side arm that's actually effective, you go with a pistol.  If you want to hold down the fire button and spray, you go with an assult rifle.

Since 5 is the average, and SMGs are decidedly below average, none of them deserve higher than a 4.

[Eric13574]

These only reflect demo weapon numbers, in relation to other weapons

Predator-3
Phalanx-6
Carnifex-10 (Only gun that should be used IMO)

Katana-5
scimitar-5
claymore-5

all SMGs-1

Viper-5
Mantis-5
Widow-6 (overhyped, only good for guardians if you can't aim)

Avenger-6
Mattock-2
Revenant-3

Modifié par Eric13574, 01 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[capn233]

Eric13574 wrote...

Widow-6 (overhyped, only good for guardians if you can't aim)

The only thing that comes close to Widow damage output against armored targets is Mantis X with AP Ammo and the Extended Barrel.  However, this makes it slightly less useful than a Widow with Disruptor or Warp Ammo.

[Eric13574]

capn233 wrote...

Eric13574 wrote...

Widow-6 (overhyped, only good for guardians if you can't aim)

The only thing that comes close to Widow damage output against armored targets is Mantis X with AP Ammo and the Extended Barrel.  However, this makes it slightly less useful than a Widow with Disruptor or Warp Ammo.

So you should carry an extremely heavy weapon for just atlas's? (turrets will die fast if targeted anyway).

[ZzOoRrGg]

UK Wildcat wrote...
 No way would I give any AR or SMG above a 5.

Oh come on, they're awesome for tickling the enemy!

[UK Wildcat]

Eric13574 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Eric13574 wrote...

Widow-6 (overhyped, only good for guardians if you can't aim)

The only thing that comes close to Widow damage output against armored targets is Mantis X with AP Ammo and the Extended Barrel.  However, this makes it slightly less useful than a Widow with Disruptor or Warp Ammo.

So you should carry an extremely heavy weapon for just atlas's? (turrets will die fast if targeted anyway).

Properly specced, ammoed, etc Widows can 1 shot after an ED on Gold, can shoot through multiple people if they are in straight line, rapidly kills armored atlases and turrets and can shoot through teammates and walls.

However, a build of this type will have you forsaking some utility and having to play super cautiously at all times because if you mess up a reload and an enemy has you in its sights or gets close, you are more likely to die.

Try the widow out and see if you like it, but its heavy weight / horrible reloads aren't really offset imo until Widow X, and then I'd have to see how it compares vs a Carnifex X.  Also, since release is soon, this will very likely become immaterial as other guns will be out there changing the balance.

For the sake of the entire thread, I'd just rate guns as bronze-silver, or gold viable.

I'd only put a few guns as viable on gold.

[ncknck]

Widow V oneshots unshielded turrets.

[capn233]

Eric13574 wrote...

So you should carry an extremely heavy weapon for just atlas's? (turrets will die fast if targeted anyway).

Have you tried it at all?

I have the Widow III and it is slightly better than the Mantis X.  For a sniper class it is worth taking.  Should casters take it?  No... but then again why are they taking an SR in the first place when there are OPistols.

And I don't know about how your games go but dealing with Atlas's efficiently makes the mission a bit easier.  Especially on the waves that have a bunch of them.

[A SILENT EMU]

Pistols

Predator: 7
Phalanx: 8
Carnifex: 10

Shotguns

Katana: 7
Scimitar: 6
Claymore: 4

Submachine Guns

Shuriken: 4
Tempest: 5
Locust: 4
Hornet: 4

Snipers

Viper: 7
Mantis: 8
Widow: 8

Assault Rifles

Avenger: 8
Mattock: 5
Revenant: 4

Modifié par A SILENT EMU, 01 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Eric13574]

capn233 wrote...

Eric13574 wrote...

So you should carry an extremely heavy weapon for just atlas's? (turrets will die fast if targeted anyway).

Have you tried it at all?

I have the Widow III and it is slightly better than the Mantis X.  For a sniper class it is worth taking.  Should casters take it?  No... but then again why are they taking an SR in the first place when there are OPistols.

And I don't know about how your games go but dealing with Atlas's efficiently makes the mission a bit easier.  Especially on the waves that have a bunch of them.

Have you tried not using it?

I'm sure you, like most players, haven't put it down since you got it.  The armor penetration can be substituted with accuracy, and the effective dps is less than carnifax

[UK Wildcat]

ncknck wrote...

Widow V oneshots unshielded turrets.

So do a ton of other guns - mantis 3 included (using a mantis 3 on my alt account right now).

[Stardusk78]

The stats lie a lot. Take the Mantis and the Widow, Mantis seems pretty close but it is not.

[Arppis]

Berkilak wrote...

Mostly agreed. I would only rate the Avenger a bit higher, given it's effectiveness on power-reliant classes given its incredibly low weight.

Yep, Avenger is 7-8 for me.

[ncknck]

UK Wildcat wrote...

So do a ton of other guns - mantis 3 included (using a mantis 3 on my alt account right now).

im not disagreing, its just that you said "..Widow can 1 shot after an ED on Gold,.. rapidly kills  armored atlases and turrets", which made me confused.

[Sabresandiego]

I updated and improved my ratings based on demo experience and this incredibly cool stat information.
https://docs.google....JLdXZZVXc#gid=0

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 01 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[themaxzero]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I updated and improved my ratings based on demo experience and this incredibly cool stat information.
https://docs.google....JLdXZZVXc#gid=0

Guns look a bit balanced in the main game. Getting a hold of the one you want will be a pain though. Both the GPS and Graal are rare. The Ivory (Paladin's ID in the game files) has the disturbing rarity of Ultra rare.

Other 'Ultra-rares' are:

Scorpion
Javelin
Saber
Talon
Black Widow
Striker (which is appears to be the Wraith)

Since they are 'above gold' I wonder what their box colour will be? Purple?

Modifié par themaxzero, 01 mars 2012 - 01:29 .