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[nukular power]

Predator: 10
Disciple: 9
Carnifex: 8
Geth Plasma Shotgun: 10
Graal Shotgun: 8
Hornet: 0
Revenant: 0
Saber: 8

Modifié par nukular power, 13 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Maj.Pain007]

Vindicator is amazing as always.

[ZombiesNBacon]

Athenau wrote...

Assuming by completely you mean 1-2 shots per Cloak. It takes 2 seconds to empty it's clip, so it' cant be done in one Cloak.

It can. The damage bonus lasts longer than in ME2. It's 2.5 seconds total as I mentioned (1 second from the time you start firing until you decloak, an additional 1.5 seconds after that). I've tested this with fraps and Virtualdub to get frame accurate timing. In a 60 fps capture I've gotten the damage bonus 144 frames after I first start firing which is almost 2.5 seconds. Also, the skill data for cloak has two parameters that control this:

bonusremovaldelay = 1.5
mintimebeforecancel=1

So this makes Bonus power irrelevant then? As long as you fire within that 2.5 seconds you still get the full damage bonus from rank 6? If I Cloak -> Sabotage/Energy Drain -> Snipe within 2.5sec I get the full benefit of Cloak?

[guitarsniper]

I am disappointed that the Phaeston didn't get a higher rating. I've been really enjoying it.

[Uchimura]

Predator is much better than Phalanx imo.

[Sabresandiego]

I raised my rating of the falcon to a 10, it really shines with ammo powers.

[Currylaksa]

Saber should be a 2 points lower, and Mattock should be higher.

Modifié par Currylaksa, 13 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[Sabresandiego]

Currylaksa wrote...

Saber should be a 2 points lower, and Mattock should be higher.

Are you basing this off a low level saber? I can see saber being 1 point lower, but I do not like the mattock because it causes carpal tunnel syndrome due to how fast u have to click to get decent dps out of it.

[Hidey0shi]

Avenger is worthless, certainly not a 7.  No way would I give any AR or SMG above a 5.

You should try M-99 Saber, currently my fav weapon in the game. It behaves more like a semi auto sniper rifle, but has access to AR mods, including clip extension.
It kills basic mobs with 2 body shots/1 head shot, kills marauders with one headshot+one body shot. It's deadly.

[RamsenC]

Are there damage numbers for the graal and geth shotguns with and without charging? That excel sheet going around only has one damage value which I'm assuming is for a fully charged shot.

On a side note how do you have the disciple so low

Modifié par RamsenC, 13 mars 2012 - 08:14 .

[Sabresandiego]

I found the disciple to have too limited a range and not do enough damage. The low weight and stun are nice though.

[cuzIMgood]

Best Weapons
10 Geth Plasma Shotgun
10 Mantis Sniper Rifle
10 Phalanx Heavy Pistol
10 Carnifex Heavy Pistol
9 Black Widow Sniper Rifle 
9 Widow Sniper Rifle
9 Viper Sniper Rifle
8 Javelin Sniper Rifle
8 Avenger Assault Rifle
8 Predator Heavy Pistol

Great Weapons
7 Paladin Heavy Pistol  
7 Vindicator Assault Rifle
7 Falcon Assault Rifle Grenade Launcher
7 Graal Spike Thrower Shotgun
7 Saber Assault Rifle
6 Disciple Shotgun
6 Katana Shotgun 
6 Scimitar Shotgun 
6 Eviscerator Shotgun 
6 Wraith Shotgun  
6 Mattock Assault Rifle 
6 Claymore Shotgun 

Good Weapons
5 Scorpion Heavy Pistol Sticky Grenade Launcher 
5 Revenant Assault Rifle
5 Incisor Sniper Rifle
5 Talon Heavy Pistol (Shotgun like)  
5 Raptor Sniper Rifle  
5 Tempest Submachine Gun        
5 Hornet Submachine Gun

Mediocre Weapons
4 Thor Arc Projector Heavy Pistol 
4 Geth Pulse Assault Rifle    
3 Phaeston Assault Rifle
3 Shuriken Submachine Gun
2 Locust Submachine Gun

Modifié par cuzIMgood, 13 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Sabresandiego]

Are your ratings comparing same level weapons? For example you have a mantis rated a 10 and Widow rated a 9, are you comparing a Mantis 10 to a Widow 2 or something? Or do you enjoy faster cloak cooldown more then the added armor penetration (which is extremely good IMO especially vs big targets)

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 13 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[RamsenC]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I found the disciple to have too limited a range and not do enough damage. The low weight and stun are nice though.

I got lucky and got a disciple 4 very early so my opinion is a little skewed, but with damage and accuracy mods it's very versatile and offers a lot of the same advantages that the scimitar gives. I also have 197% recharge, which is always nice. 

Also because of it's low weight it makes a really good sidearm in conjuction with a precision weapon. I'd probably give it a 7 based on the scale you set.  

Seriously though...how much damage do the geth and graal shotguns do uncharged ? Anybody ?

Modifié par RamsenC, 13 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[cuzIMgood]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Are your ratings comparing same level weapons?

Not really, just comparing off the level of each I have now.  Seeing as it is nearly impossible to get the n7 or even gold weapons to X though I think it is a fair judgement.

Modifié par cuzIMgood, 13 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[cuzIMgood]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Are your ratings comparing same level weapons?

Not really, just comparing off the level of each I have now.  Seeing as it is nearly impossible to get the n7 or even gold weapons to X though I think it is a fair judgement.

Modifié par cuzIMgood, 13 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Sabresandiego]

I lowered my rating of the graal spike thrower to a 5, I dont find it nearly as effective as a scimitar or geth plasma shotgun.

[Autochthon]

Why is disciple so low? It's the lightest shotgun in game and IIRC has decent damage and ammo capacity.

I use it in single player on my Vanguard (well it and the Claymore but I kinda like the Disciple more) and I feel like it would be just as good in MP on a vanguard.

Mostly because combining it with a theoritcally -90% weight SMG and lightweight pistol should be possible. Assuming they're all level 10.

[Sabresandiego]

Disciple is rated a 5, which is on par with the katana and claymore. Thats not low, its medium, which is what I find the weapon to be.

[Autochthon]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Disciple is rated a 5, which is on par with the katana and claymore. Thats not low, its medium, which is what I find the weapon to be.

I guess my question more revolved around the "Why is Geth Plasma Shotun rated so much higher than other shotguns, and Disciple not listed for Vanguards"

It synergizes well with vanguards in my experience. Haven't got one in multiplayer, but considering that using your weapon as a vanguard in multiplayer is more about finishing off an enemy than actually outright bursting them... Given current place in game of the vanguard and accepted builds.

[Sabresandiego]

I did not list the disciple for vanguards because you can use the scimitar, which is superior, and still have 200% cooldown depending on your spec.

[goofyomnivore]

Mattock X oughta be real strong after another buff if you don't mind clicking. You will still have like 180%+ cooldowns too.

[Autochthon]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I did not list the disciple for vanguards because you can use the scimitar, which is superior, and still have 200% cooldown depending on your spec.

Looking at the speadsheet it looks like scimitar isn't strictly superior. Pros and cons I guess.

I'd still use the isciple. Means more weapon loadout overall at higher evels. Assuming evel tens all around.

[Sabresandiego]

strive wrote...

Mattock X oughta be real strong after another buff if you don't mind clicking. You will still have like 180%+ cooldowns too.

Its the clicking that really brings down the score for me, that gun will give you carpal tunnel.

[Xycolian]

javellin: 0

thing is worthless I'm not gonna bother teaching myself how to get headshots with that gun because of the stupid charge up time before each shot.

What a waste of the platinum rarity slot