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[Mazandus]

Kronner wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

For anyone who agrees with this list, it is extremely apparent that slow firing accurate weapons vastly outperform any sort of rapid sustained fire weapons. The only possible exception to this rule is a turian soldier with a high level revenant. When automatic weapons are useless on all but one class in the entire game, you know that something is skewed with weapon balance.

Agreed - assuming Gold difficulty, that is. That said, we must realize that devs have to balance for Silver (I am assuming that's the most played difficulty by far), so I think they actually did a pretty good job.

I disagree. My Turian Soldier with maxed out Marksman for ROF and duration and all dmg and stability passives can still barely kill anything with the Revenant. (Silver, I wouldn't even try Gold with him)  Sure, maybe I suck, but for the sheer volume of fire I have to put out compared to one round from a widow or a few rounds from one of the pistols, something is very,  very, very wrong.

I don't have the AR dmg barrel, and my Revenant is only level 1, but FFS, should a weapon only be "balanced" when its a level x with max dmg barrel and an ammo pack used? All just so it can compete with a goddamned pistol?

Modifié par Mazandus, 22 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[Xyrm]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Who said salarians are not viable with shotguns?

My mistake, I made an assumption.  When you mention the claymore you specify human infiltrator, I assumed there was a reason for that.

[Seeten]

I use Geth Plasma Shotty on my Infiltrator (partly because my only sniper rifle is a Mantis, and I hate single shot weapons - Give me my Black Widow already damnit!) and I vastly prefer the GPS to other shotguns. It tears up from up close, but is still extremely accurate to long range.

[Sabresandiego]

Xyrm wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Who said salarians are not viable with shotguns?

My mistake, I made an assumption.  When you mention the claymore you specify human infiltrator, I assumed there was a reason for that.

Its because shotguns can do damage past shield/barrier threshholds, making energy drain less important, and because cryo blast is most effective at medium or short range due to its travel time, and it boosts the amount of damage the target takes. A human infiltrator can cloak, cryo, claymore shot and do extreme damage, more then a salarian or a quarian. The salarian can spec for greater durability though with energy drain. All infiltrators are good with shotguns though.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 22 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[VikingDream]

I had a play with hurrican today it is very good at killing up close with out zooming in i was using my engineer its very effective for sparing enemy but you have to be point blank to use it and have a power to use for staggering foes.

I was able to kill 3-5 foes with one clip =D but if you zoom with this or try to use it at range all you get is sky, decoy also helps just let your foes group near that and flank them, also for clearing rooms on some maps its very good i may have to try this on my van later.

Some people will say the weapon is useless but every weapon has a use if you use the correct tactics with it.

Edit cause i use wrong weapon name 

Modifié par VikingDream, 22 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Stardusk]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Xyrm wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Who said salarians are not viable with shotguns?

My mistake, I made an assumption.  When you mention the claymore you specify human infiltrator, I assumed there was a reason for that.

Its because shotguns can do damage past shield/barrier threshholds, making energy drain less important, and because cryo blast is most effective and medium or short range due to its travel time, and it boosts the amount of damage the target takes. A human infiltrator can cloak, cryo, claymore shot and do extreme damage, more then a salarian or a quarian. The salarian can spec for greater durability though with energy drain. All infiltrators are good with shotguns though.

Also, humans have better overall weight capacity.

[Sabresandiego]

Hornet is a good weapon

[RamsenC]

Vindicator and Evi deserve more love, but otherwise solid list. I still don't understand why the Crusader is so good, but I haven't had the chance to mess with it much.

Modifié par RamsenC, 22 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[Sabresandiego]

I have to reevaluate the vindicator, I did not like it much since it doesnt have the accuracy of the mattock, or the convenience of automatic fire that the avenger has. As for the eviscerator, this gun feels incredibly slow and weak. Something about the eviscerator just feels wrong to me, and it carries over to the wraith. I dont like either gun very much at all. I think it has to do with the refire delay between shots combined with its mediocre damage output.

Now the claymore, since the last patch has become one of the best guns in the game. Very satisfying to use.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 22 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[Dunedude]

I got bored at work and made a google spreadsheet with your info, feel free to make it yours and update as you see fit:

https://docs.google....dnFVRENWa3pVb2c

Modifié par Dunedude, 22 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[Sabresandiego]

Dunedude wrote...

I got bored at work and made a google spreadsheet with your info, feel free to make it yours and update as you see fit:

https://docs.google....dnFVRENWa3pVb2c

Hey thats pretty awesome. Im constantly tweaking my ratings as I play more, get higher level weapons, and feedback from other players so my post may not match that spreadsheet exactly. I'm not sure how google spreadsheets work, or if anyone can edit them etc.

[Dunedude]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Dunedude wrote...

I got bored at work and made a google spreadsheet with your info, feel free to make it yours and update as you see fit:

https://docs.google....dnFVRENWa3pVb2c

Hey thats pretty awesome. Im constantly tweaking my ratings as I play more, get higher level weapons, and feedback from other players so my post may not match that spreadsheet exactly. I'm not sure how google spreadsheets work, or if anyone can edit them etc.

I made it so anyone can edit it, so please feel free.

[devildog0491]

Sabre, I think I am going to make a video with your rating's. Basically go through the armory and give reasons I like/dislike and include the rank structure we talked about. Let me know what you think

[Sabresandiego]

Sure sounds good.

[CHAw]

Mazandus wrote...

I disagree. My Turian Soldier with maxed out Marksman for ROF and duration and all dmg and stability passives can still barely kill anything with the Revenant. (Silver, I wouldn't even try Gold with him)  Sure, maybe I suck, but for the sheer volume of fire I have to put out compared to one round from a widow or a few rounds from one of the pistols, something is very,  very, very wrong.

I don't have the AR dmg barrel, and my Revenant is only level 1, but FFS, should a weapon only be "balanced" when its a level x with max dmg barrel and an ammo pack used? All just so it can compete with a goddamned pistol?

And to add insult to injury, the pistol is lighter, meaning that even after all that, it still gets the benefits of Marksman more often.

[samb]

 I think black widow and valiant are pretty good for human and bf3 soldiers. Id go as far to say they are better suited for soldiers rather than infiltrators because you can only shoot once out of cloak while you can shoot multiple times with adrenaline rush.  After firing the whole clip, pop AR Anne get another fill clip without the reload giving you continous fire at improved damage. 

[Nasu no Yoichi]

samb wrote...

 I think black widow and valiant are pretty good for human and bf3 soldiers. Id go as far to say they are better suited for soldiers rather than infiltrators because you can only shoot once out of cloak while you can shoot multiple times with adrenaline rush.  After firing the whole clip, pop AR Anne get another fill clip without the reload giving you continous fire at improved damage. 

Actually, you can get multiple shots off from under cloak if you're fast enough. I believe (don't have the gun myself) that you can empty a BW's mag (3 shots) from under cloak in the time it takes for the cloak to wear off.

[NSGM]

Personally, it seems about right. Though as you say some of the guns are close to useless unless you are the host.

That said, I would up the rating on the disciple a bit, it's a great shotgun IMO. It's acurrate and the damage is decent, but the feature that I love about it is the fact that it staggers on hit no matter what. I don't know that I would raise the rating much though.

Also: You may want to revisit the guns that have been modified within the last day. The Falcon got a bit of a bump in damage; The Javelin got a huge increase in damage and weight, but lost ammo capacity. a few other guns were modified. The only other one I remember off hand is the Paladin's weight being increased above that of the Carnifex.

Modifié par NSGM, 28 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[AndrewPast]

The vindicator is way better than you give it credit for. It's a viable, light-weight assault rifle that is very flexible and packs a decent punch, even on gold.

[Tangster]

AndrewPast wrote...

The vindicator is way better than you give it credit for. It's a viable, light-weight assault rifle that is very flexible and packs a decent punch, even on gold.

I agree. After the adept/reaper/gold speedrun from UKwildcat using all vindicators, I gave it a twirl and it's a very nice gun. Won't replace my saber though. 

[kojysys]

Very nice list, most of it seems accurate, but if i didn't check wrong, the N7 Wraith shotgun is missing somewhere? I'd say it would rank somewhere on the 8 rating considering it's firepower and quick reload counterbalanced by it's low clip size and average to low accuracy.

Also there might be some slight up-and-downs for some weapons considering buffs/nerfs have been applied lately, it would be nice to see it updated according to those changes, but in the end of course it will be carved as an opinion, but still accurate, thanks for putting that up!

[Sabresandiego]

The ratings were slightly adjusted for the patch

[mwh308]

It seems weird that your "best weapons" only lists the best weapons for Infiltrators, soldiers and vanguards. Yet the best weapons for power users, like the Carnifax and Paladin, are not rated as highly.

Surely if the Paladin and Carnifax are the best weapons for several power using classes, shouldn't they be listed in the "Best weapons" category? It really doesn't make much sense to rate a Widow as better than a Carnifax and completely ignoring the class used. Rating 4 sniper rifles above the Carnifex just seems bizarre.

Modifié par mwh308, 28 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[RamsenC]

Once you have some of the medium weight weapons leveled, Carnifex is no longer a must have for power users. I'd really only use it on Asari Adept at this point or when trying out strategies that rely on cooldowns being as fast as possible (mostly centered around biotic explosions). Giving up some cooldown for a more damaging weapon isn't a bad idea on gold. 

As for Paladin it weighs more now.

Modifié par RamsenC, 28 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[A Wild Snorlax]

Not quite sure how the talon gets an 8, seemed god awful to me when I used it, weak and heavy and too big bullet spread. Care to elaborate? Also, why is the falcon best suited for vanguards?

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 28 mars 2012 - 04:57 .