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[Fasty1]

Player consensus, i mean i really want ME3 to live up to its potential but MAN the negativity on this board especially the spoiler group is making it DAMN hard to have any kind of optimism. I remember having a hard time that BSN was really as bad as people said it was when i first went here but the past couple weeks have been hell... maybe i just need to stay away from bsn XD

[Icinix]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Fail? In sales or player consensus?

Well, if it fails in player consensus, so soon after DA2 as well, do you really think anyone is going to take Bioware seriously anymore or buy anymore of those games?

There's still a high risk EA will cut Bioware loose.

...there is definitely a taste of origin and westwood in the air at the moment...

[InsanityVoid]

how is me3 going to fail.
both EA and Hudson have gone out of their way to promote the crap of out this game and generate as much hype as possible.
It's a known franchise, the final installment in a trilogy and considering "honest" reviews will come out months after the game is released I don't see how it won't hit whatever profitability points everyone has set out for it.

[Yuqi]

Glass, china, and reputation are easily cracked, and never mended well.--Benjamin Franklin

[Liara T]

they will release a happy end DLC

[Paulinius]

I do not understand how there are comments saying there is no way ME3 can fail.

BioWare has never released specifics regarding the cost to make ME3, thus we do not know how much money they need to earn just to break even.

[Sajuro]

Liara T wrote...

they will release a happy end DLC

Something tells me you aren't talking about Kasumi giving Shepard a happy ending massage...

[InvincibleHero]

If people are going to leave over the endings then they are too sensitive or emotional about it. It is a small part of the game and yeah I do love great endings, however it does not make the 40 or more hours you spent getting there and liking it to end as ashes in your mouth. Fallout 3 had a terrible ending yet my hundred hours were well-spent despite that and I would have bought the future games except they had to have steam.

The ending is important, but for perspective it is less than .5% the screen time. BW has to wrap things up as they choose with their IP. I don't know if I will like the choices or not because few have actually played the real game. When i get a chance to play through then I'll have an informed opinion which has more weight than rants from people that have not experienced it first hand.

[Chapity]

I can't tell if this is a threat thread or a "no, not bioware!!!" thread. Based on the sales figures I've seen this game is about to generate half a billion week one. I dint think the sales will escalate into cod figures, but financials are what matter and for ea, that would equate four times there investment. Now, as far as there reputation...well I don't know where your going with this. DA2 was rush job for sure, but two of my favorite bioware characters came out of that game. TOR is an mmo that caters to a very very specific market, and that market gobbled it up. If bioware is smart they will lay low until da3 and then we can start talking verdicts. This game is already win by any estimation you can come up with.

[Rockworm503]

Ringo12 wrote...


Max Payne 3, Hitman Absolution, Last of Us, Last Guardian (doubt it), Dishonored, Starcraft 2, Secret World. Yup list goes on.

Question op, What if TOR fails? It's bleeding subs or at least active players. 

*cough Dragon's Dogma

Modifié par Rockworm503, 29 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[Chapity]

Oh, and as for the endings, what in the hell did you expect? I liken all of the forces of the galaxy to equate the French and British armies in ww1. For gods sake it's like mounting an offensive against machine-guns with horses and rifles. In the end, the French and British "won" but at the cost of one in three of every able bodied man coming home in a box...a very small box. Most didn't even get that. The French still consider that era "the lost generation". It took American industry to win that war, much like this one will require a spoiler, but even then the damage is done, and at a very high price. Get over your Zelda fantasies where all is jolly and good. Machine gods for crying out loud!!!!

[Conduit0]

If the BSN had existed back in the late 90's, you would have thought from the forums that Baldur's Gate was the worst RPG to ever disgrace the PC. Theres no pleasing the BSN, ever.

[InvincibleHero]

Chapity wrote...

Oh, and as for the endings, what in the hell did you expect? I liken all of the forces of the galaxy to equate the French and British armies in ww1. For gods sake it's like mounting an offensive against machine-guns with horses and rifles. In the end, the French and British "won" but at the cost of one in three of every able bodied man coming home in a box...a very small box. Most didn't even get that. The French still consider that era "the lost generation". It took American industry to win that war, much like this one will require a spoiler, but even then the damage is done, and at a very high price. Get over your Zelda fantasies where all is jolly and good. Machine gods for crying out loud!!!!

Well I think it hinges on the perceived it is too cruel to Shepard and his crew. Yeah I think most expected some level of sacrifice but not all doom and gloom despite coming away with a pyrrhic victory. Their anger does have some validity.

BW could have made some nicer endings and did give the implication that there was a good ending possible. As it is choosing between the three that have lit up the boards it's hard to tell what is the best one. To be fair none of us have actaully played and achieved the endings so it could be premature rage.

[Ostagar2011]

InvincibleHero wrote...

If people are going to leave over the endings then they are too sensitive or emotional about it. It is a small part of the game and yeah I do love great endings, however it does not make the 40 or more hours you spent getting there and liking it to end as ashes in your mouth.

Not winning is irrelevant? Because ME3 outcomes seem to be: a) lose badly lose very badly or c) lose mildly but miserably. Give me a reason then to care for my choices in game. Give me a reason to try to finish the missions.

This could only be irrelevant if the story telling up to that point was awesome or the plot was some deep philosophical mataphor. Regrettably it was B-movie stuff, light escapism with happy-go-lucky "romances". To pull these endings in that context is lunacy. Hope ME4 is better.

[Chapity]

Totally agree invincible. I don't know either other than the "it's just awful" comments coming from the trolls. For me personally though, this is what I wanted. I didn't want to be glad handed a nintendo style "happily ever after" sort of ending. War is an abomination of the human condition and that they have the guts to go for that is commendable. I can't count how many young men I know who play WAY to many shooters get all gung ho about war and killing and (in many cases) join the military based on a farce of reality makes my soul hurt. My buddy just started seal training and I worry about him. I gave him a copy of catch 22 and my copy of "alls quiet on the western front" just to try to show him some reality but alas the temerity of youth is a tough wall to breach. I have all the respect in the world for defending ideals, but absolutely dispose the light hearted vision of violence that some people mistake as manly.

[InvincibleHero]

Ostagar2011 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

If people are going to leave over the endings then they are too sensitive or emotional about it. It is a small part of the game and yeah I do love great endings, however it does not make the 40 or more hours you spent getting there and liking it to end as ashes in your mouth.

Not winning is irrelevant? Because ME3 outcomes seem to be: a) lose badly lose very badly or c) lose mildly but miserably. Give me a reason then to care for my choices in game. Give me a reason to try to finish the missions.

This could only be irrelevant if the story telling up to that point was awesome or the plot was some deep philosophical mataphor. Regrettably it was B-movie stuff, light escapism with happy-go-lucky "romances". To pull these endings in that context is lunacy. Hope ME4 is better.

So you've played the game then? Apparently not yet you seem willing to poision the whole playthrough based on the word of one person online. 

I do agree the endings if that is a fair representation are largely negative. One need not let it color their perceptions of the whole product. If you didn't know then you'd happily play thinking this is cool it is so Mass effect yet now it seems people are going the whole meal I ate stinks because I have to pay at the end and don't like the cost despite heartily eating it down.

[DragonRageGT]

What kind of stupid question is that? There are few absolute truths in this world:

- Everything that lives must die.
- After the darkest night there will be a sunny day.
- True love conquers all.
- Mass Effect 3 will never fail.

[Costin_Razvan]

DragonRageGT wrote...

What kind of stupid question is that? There are few absolute truths in this world:

- Everything that lives must die.
- After the darkest night there will be a sunny day.
- True love conquers all.
- Mass Effect 3 will never fail.

Oh believe me after the ending leak I wouldn't be so sure on that Rage.

[muse108]

Even if ME3 is the biggest failure in the gaming industry since FarCry2 Bioware has EA money bags.Not to mention a reputation.

And going on the preorders in my area not going to fail even if only the people who preorder buy it.

Modifié par muse108, 29 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[InvincibleHero]

Chapity wrote...

Totally agree invincible. I don't know either other than the "it's just awful" comments coming from the trolls. For me personally though, this is what I wanted. I didn't want to be glad handed a nintendo style "happily ever after" sort of ending. War is an abomination of the human condition and that they have the guts to go for that is commendable. I can't count how many young men I know who play WAY to many shooters get all gung ho about war and killing and (in many cases) join the military based on a farce of reality makes my soul hurt. My buddy just started seal training and I worry about him. I gave him a copy of catch 22 and my copy of "alls quiet on the western front" just to try to show him some reality but alas the temerity of youth is a tough wall to breach. I have all the respect in the world for defending ideals, but absolutely dispose the light hearted vision of violence that some people mistake as manly.

It wouldn't hurt to have a lives with LI with him/her as an option though.

Well most of them do come home alive as casualties are a small percentage of all participants even 25% would mean it is deadly but you still have good odds. I have respect for your friend and any soldier that takes such risks as death and disablement. They do a tough and often thankless job. I hope your friend comes out unscathed.

[Ostagar2011]

InvincibleHero wrote...

So you've played the game then? Apparently not yet you seem willing to poision the whole playthrough based on the word of one person online. 

I do agree the endings if that is a fair representation are largely negative. One need not let it color their perceptions of the whole product. If you didn't know then you'd happily play thinking this is cool it is so Mass effect yet now it seems people are going the whole meal I ate stinks because I have to pay at the end and don't like the cost despite heartily eating it down.

Who is poisoning the playthrough - me or BioWare?
There is enough discussion about the credibility of the sources elsewhere. Suffice to say, if these rumors were way off the mark, the devs would be denying them and locking threads down.
The cost of the "meal" in your metaphor is my $60 for the game. It should not also be "getting depressed at the end".

[Avoozl-]

Well I wouldn't know what would happen to Bioware if ME3 actually does fail but I do know what I'd like to happen, the possibility for them to actually consider making a KotOR 3 while convincing Lucasarts to allow them too.

Modifié par DoomsFolly, 29 février 2012 - 09:31 .

[InvincibleHero]

Ostagar2011 wrote...

Who is poisoning the playthrough - me or BioWare?
There is enough discussion about the credibility of the sources elsewhere. Suffice to say, if these rumors were way off the mark, the devs would be denying them and locking threads down.
The cost of the "meal" in your metaphor is my $60 for the game. It should not also be "getting depressed at the end".

You are if you are not going to give the game a fair chance. I have played many games with bad endings and that never made me think the game stunk. The whole game would have to be bad for me to have such an opinion. Yeah it is your $60 and spend it as you will. My analogy simply meant if you enjoyed it up until then that you actually enjoyed it despite the ending that you should not turn around and say it was bad.


I don't know about the locking and denying part. They rarely engage in that because it is a losing cause. It is better to let people vent than lose goodwill by being harsh and closing them all down. I was a moderator for 6 years for UBisoft and it is a fine line between PR and fan goodwill.  As for arguing with forumites that will get them absolutely nothing but a headache.

[Costin_Razvan]

muse108 wrote...

Even if ME3 is the biggest failure in the gaming industry since FarCry2 Bioware has EA money bags.Not to mention a reputation.

And going on the preorders in my area not going to fail even if only the people who preorder buy it.

I believe it has around 1-2 million pre-orders, the question is will it sell more then ME2? It won't fail like DA2, that's for certain but success is not guranteed on pre-orders alone.

[The Executioner]

On a purely superficial level after seeing the new Ashley i like it better than ME2 already.