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[Count Viceroy]

We're the hero. We can do anything.

[Invalidcode]

Oghren being a big factor, also the talk with Calidan before the fight(yes he dies but what he said still had impact on Branka's thought, up to the PC & Oghren to persuade her further).



These two voices put your > her house. Not like she will listen to her house anyways. Branka is extreme but her intention is still 'for the Dwarfs'. Calidan's point is that the anvil bring suffering to the Dwarfs. Even Branka sees this truth it won't be enough and here where Oghren steps in, she still cares for her and most importantly, she trusts him. Last but not least, you, the PC as a third, supposedly neutral party gives the honest, non-biased opinion.



Add these together then it make sense that Branka will do the 'right' thing.

[Nyaore]

In addition to the lack of darkspawn in the Deep Roads during the Blight, you also have to remember that Caridin probably installed quite a few more traps in that area than what we were shown. Remember, Branka had two years to whittle away at all the traps lining that particular part of the Deep Roads. Somehow I'd imagine that that you would have had a much harder time in the Anvil chambers had she not gotten through the bulk of the traps for you.

[Rugaru]

Also, just want ot point out that the idea for the broodmother that Branka had was because of a darkspawn attack that overwhelmed her party. She didn't just get down there and say OK now that we are here time to turn people into broodmothers...

No one knew how darkspawn were created until she/you discovered that.



Her use of darkspawn on the traps came after many attempts at the traps and creative use of walling off the areas that they could travel. She wasn't insane but kind of off her rocker with her total devotion to getting the anvil. Yes she had the control rod but that really wouldn't have helped much in my opinion because they could only do as directed and wouldn't be able to just "know" how to do the traps. I think she was determined to get the anvil and wanted to "save" the control rod so she would be able to study the rod and anvil together to figure out how to make golems.

[Willowhugger]

They were just 1st level Dwarves.

[Sarah1281]

Branka not crazy? Have you ever sided with her and then talked her into suicide? She hears voices. The Anvil talks to her. That's not sane.

[maxernst]

Korva wrote...

Again, there is no question that Branka is both insane and utterly ruthless. I'm not questioning why she had her whole house butchered (as horrible and gut-wrenching the situation is), but rather what she was trying to accomplish. Cannon fodder for traps, sure, but she has no way to control them. No way, I supppse, to observe what they do in the trap gauntlet. No way to be sure they're all dead when she goes in to check on what "progress" has been made without risk of being killed or dragged off herself. Also, even if she would have reached the Anvil that way, she would have been stuck there because she would have no golem-fodder left (unless she somehow managed to capture some darkspawn and was able to turn them into golems -- but with the grip the archdemon has on them, I'm dubious).

Good point about the food supply for her house, it would explain what she had to eat down there. I still have a hard time imagining how she managed to pull the whole thing off, though. Maybe she drugged her people and hid in a tightly locked part of the area while they were overrun?

My take on this--and I agree it's not a very clever plan--is that she intended to trap the darkspawn in exactly the same way she does you, so that they have nowhere to go but forward.  She thought that they'd simply set off all the traps and eventually she'd be able to walk through unimpeded--admit that the problem of checking on progress is a significant issue.  And your idea that she trapped her people and let the dark spawn in is probably the best (maybe she has some remote control system for locking and unlockig doors?).

As emotionally wrenching as the storyline is, I agree that it's a little hard to swallow.

[Tinxa]

I don't think she just decided to butcher her house. Yes she left with a couple of hundred dwarfs but my guess is the majority were killed on the way and she found the Anvil with some 50 left(at which point they didn't have the strength to back anymore). The majority of those were killed by the traps and darkspawn attack in which the broodmother was created and gave her the idea that she could at least take advantage of the darkspawn so she killed off the remaining dwarves that disagreed with that plan and created the maze that directed the darkspawn to the traps.
At that point the endless supply of darkspawn she could throw at the traps was just more useful for her goal than the handful of battered dwarves she had left that even dared to oppose their paragon.

Modifié par Tinxa, 07 mai 2010 - 04:01 .

[Emerald Melios]

Skellimancer wrote...

Its funny that 4 adventurers can go into the deep roads and survive but 100+ dwarf soldiers go in and get butchered.

Keep in mind that most of the Darkspawn have already mobilized on the surface, making it significantly easier to track downh Branka. Not to mention, those dwarves probably didn't have a Grey Warden in their ranks.....

[BelSirk]

Well, as other already say:

- She begin the excursion with at least 200 dwarvens (NOTE: NOT Legion of Dead but probably a mixed of smiths and warriors )

-The excursion had at least a full year witouth Blight (All the darkspawns in the Deep Road)

- The Thaig was lost witouth record about his location, so, they need to waste time looking for it (after all you only follow his track thanks to Ogrhen ) this mean Darkspawn for the lunch, after-lunch, dinner and dream... And remember, the survivor of the darkspawn can become ghouls, so, the number drop quickly on each fight

- Once they get to the Dead trenches the things get worse(no Blight, so no Legion of Dead at this point like happens with your party ) , there are more darkspawn, they lost almost everyithing, Hesphit (or how se call) told you, on 15 days the Branka's house is utterly destroyed

- The remaining dwarven can't back (not enough numbers), Branka don't wan't to back (and honestly , after see all your house ripped it's normal get EXTRA-focus on something with little sane on your head) she understand what is happening with the dwarven females.. not sure if they killed some of them at first

- the remaining dwarven are already on the place, but just some dozens and are stuck with the darkspawn

- At some point the dwarven can't do the traps and darkspawn, Branka take choice give some females to the darkspawn , the remaining dwarven are already killed or pushed by Branka traps(The one she use on you blocking the exit )



So, when the PC come to the Deep Roads looking for Branka...

- A blight ocurr so, Deep Roads are almost clean of darkspawn

- You come with Ogrhen, he can read, Branka signs so, don't waste time looking for the thaigs

- Even better, Legion of Dead it's having a good time ridding against Darkspawn

- Once you pass the dead trenches, the rest of the way don't have Caidrin's traps anymore , only the broodmother

[tyboria]

There's also the point that Branka might be the best hope for the dwarves. They've been in decline for hundreds of years, thanks to the darkspawn. The golems did help them get a respite, if not the upper hand, for a while until Caridin turned soft. The sacrifice of a couple of hundred dwarves might be worth it if it saves the race.

[Rogue Eagle]

Skellimancer wrote...

Its funny that 4 adventurers can go into the deep roads and survive but 100+ dwarf soldiers go in and get butchered.

draws less attention perhaps?

[sassperella]

OK so Branka is meant to be a genius and a smith, but she can't work out the traps? Our little mottly crew is hardly brains of the year then we waltz in and get through no problem.



Also, several of the traps revolve around setting off golems.... she has a control rod.... facepalm.



Not very convincing really. Even if you take all the other comments above into consideration, she should have been more able to work on the traps if she was such a genius and she was certainly more of a genius than the warden's crowd. The golems in the first couple of traps should have been enough to bust their way through to the anvil.

[Sarah1281]

I think she HAS been working on disabling them over the past two years. Surely the Anvil would be better protected than the, what, two traps you need to deal with? And it's not like she can't figure it out, she just can't fight her way through.



As for the control rod...I don't remember which came first. Was it the room with the statues that created enemies or the golems? If it were the golems she should have been able to control them, yes, but if it were the revolving statue then she wouldn't have been able to even reach it.

[Valaz]

Its the classic fantasy has no logic syndrome, I have lost count the amount of fantasy game I play and the story doesnt add up where logic would suggest otherwise lol