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Yagamoth3433 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

Xayoz wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...
It's not dark. People are angry because it's stupid. But I assume some emos could find it brilliant.

I think it's the other way around.
It's the emokids who are crying for they are denied their happily ever after alongside them alien waifus.

Emokids crying because there are only emo endings? That doesn't make sense.


Thats the beauty of it, its not really the Relay detonation endings, its the epilogue that you don't get to have with Shepard and his Xenos or female Waifus. 


Even 40k generally has happier endings than that.  Well depending on which side you were rooting for I suppose.


Depends on who is the Author.  I support Chaos and Genestealer Cults.  Almost always these are the antagonists, and when they're not, we only want the side we're supporting to win, so we ignore everything else. 

Ironically Storm of Iron, from the smurf author, is one of the best Chaos novels.

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misoretu9 wrote...
And everyone of your loved ones is doomed. So like I said. Emo ending.

I do believe you have never actually encountered a stereotypical emo.
They are not the people who cheer when dark things happen, they are people who moan how much the world sucks and how they never get things to go their way.

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Faithful... enlightened... ambitious... brethren.

In but five years, a mere few swipes of the pendulum, we have gathered a sacrifice to EA that will be made legend.

Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that enlightened me in my years of working on Mass Effect 1, it was EA's messenger who showed me the true path of freedom from our pathetic corpselike fanbase.

And what is this path? This meaning, this purpose, to which we gather the tears of our fans?

It is nothing. There is no meaning, no purpose. We troll, we screw over. It is mindless savagery; this universe is mindless.

In mere hours, millions will rage. Innocent and guilty, strong and weak, honest and deceitful, ALL of them.

They will scream, they will cry, and for no purpose but that mighty EA might revel in their rage.

And united in this void of purpose, fear or profit, we shall at long last be free!

RAGE FOR THE RAGE GOD! TEARS FOR THE TEAR THRONE! LET THE INTERNET BURRRRRN!

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Imperium Alpha wrote...

What is your life?
My honour is my life.
What is your fate?
My duty is my fate.
What is your fear?
My fear is to fail.
What is your reward?
My salvation is my reward.
What is your craft?
My craft is death.
What is your pledge?
My pledge is eternal service

For the Emperor!
Lets none find us wanting!


FOR THE EMPEROR!!:D

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incinerator950

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Damn...

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Huh, you know when I made this thread I totally didn't get the Age of Strife references, but now that you mention it..

Humanity is spread across the stars with little to no technology. We have, or will regress into a state of techno-barbarity, if any technology exists.

The only difference seems to be we tolerate aliens in this setting a lot more than the Imperium does. But eh, my point was that the endings seemed more in place with 40k than a MASS EFFECT game.

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Xayoz wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...
And everyone of your loved ones is doomed. So like I said. Emo ending.

I do believe you have never actually encountered a stereotypical emo.
They are not the people who cheer when dark things happen, they are people who moan how much the world sucks and how they never get things to go their way.


You mistook real emotion for pose. Stereotypical emo is poser who talks much (like about "a beauty in despair" - a bit like some apologete of those endings here) but it's all artificial. Here people get pissed off for a real reason, as it's getting stupid and unsatisfying concusion of a story they often invested very large amount of money in. 

Modifié par misoretu9, 29 février 2012 - 02:20 .


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Don't compare Warhammer to ME.

In ME, all the struggle I went through, I want a happy ending.

In WH40K, **** everything, I want a grimdark ending with legions of Chaos coming down on a single squad of Imperial Kaskrin, who fight to their very last breath, it is in service to the Emperor.

But a happy ending to that would be CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED perfectly hiding a Titan behind a small rock and ambushing the legions of Chaos. And a bunch of METAL BAWKES evacuating the guardsmen.

Then a grimdark ending to that would be they all died of space aids.

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Heh, Shepard should've been a SPESS MEHREEN and then give his life for the EMPRAH!

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Shepard: Get your a** moving trooper!
Trooper: But sir!
Shepard: *Pulls out pistol and shoots trooper* If you will not serve me on the frontline, you will serve me on the firing line. For the EMPRAH!!!!!

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It's not grimdark. It's not especially happy, but that's not enough to be grimdark. It has some poor implications about Tali and Garrus, particularly. But if only three people die and everyone else lives to have children and grandchildren, but be tremendously bored, then they're doing better than anyone in a squad with Cain could hope for.

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Saving the galaxy from mecha-chtulu is grimdark and emo now? Yes, sacrifices have to be made. It,s a damn Reaper invasion, a consequence-light ending (however how hard to acheive) would clash with the story.

Le me be more specific. Take ME2 and the Suicide Mission. Much touted in the marketing and by the devs, this is the mission that you prepare for all game long. Stop the Collectors, or die trying, and as the name says it's considered pure suicide. Yet, if you do all the loyalty missions and choose with a modicum of intelligence, you can easily get out with 0 casualties; in fact, any consequence for this so-called Suicide Mission is entirely in the player's hand. The only way to ''fail'' is to either rush through the game or to make more or less explicitely bad decisions. The Bad Ending is pretty much only attainable if you do it on purpose. This clashes hard with the fact that it's supposed to be a damn suicide mission. It's supposed to demand sacrifices. Yet you can just waltz in and kill everybody without suffering any losses. Yes, I guess it was ''awesome'', but it also didn't fit the game and was anticlimatic to a degree.

Fast forward to ME3 (by the way, we still don't know the intricate details of the endings, only the outlines, so I suggest we give it time; anyway). Reaper invasion, Sword holds the line while the Hammer helps Shepard blaze a way to the MacGuffin du jour. Said Macuffin is used, Reapers are defeated... but at a terrible price, as they should be. Imagine that the endings are generally bad, save one where there are much less consequences. What's the point of the other endings then? It will be like in ME2, you have an optimal, Good Ending, then OK endings, then a Bad Ending. In the leaks I simply see different endings, no Bad One and go Good One, or at least much less than in ME2. And I much prefer it that way. Let me choose the ending (and yes, they do change the fate of the galaxy a fair bit), don,t choose it for me depending on how much time I played the game, don't put an ideal ending next to which the rest are sub-par and feel incomplete.

That said, I think they could have made it a bit less extreme. A good example is Planescape:Torment

PLANESCAPE TORMENT SPOILERS BELOW THIS IS AN AWESOME GAME DON'T SPOIL YOURSELF DON'T SPOIL YOURSELF DON'T SPOIL YOURSELF ALRIGHT? GOOD READ ON THEN













The gist of the ending doesn't change; the Nameless One has vainquished his mortality and must now purge his sins in the Blood War. The ending changes 1) how he does it (kills himself, wills himself out of existence, defeats his mortality, merges with his mortality) and 2) if he can say farewell to his companions. It really fits the game's tragic nature, since it was clear that the Nameless One was doomed if you followed the in-game hints a bit; his previous incarnations did too much evil. But you can still have a very fulfilling ending bying farewell to all the people who accompanied you on your journey. ME3 could have used this (maybe it has it, who knows); Shepard dies, but he is surrounded by his crew and can say farewell (have the Normandy crash with no medical equipment nearby, I don't know, just throwing ideas out there) to all of them before expiring. And while this can be cliche, for having experienced that myself it can be extremely powerful.












END OF PLANESCAPE TORMENT SPOILERS END OF PLANESCAPE TORMENT SPOILERS













So yeah, I don't find the endings ''emo'' (which is a term so overused it doesn't mean anything anymore for that matter). I would change one thing about it, that's it that's all.

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incinerator950 wrote...

Yagamoth3433 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

Xayoz wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...
It's not dark. People are angry because it's stupid. But I assume some emos could find it brilliant.

I think it's the other way around.
It's the emokids who are crying for they are denied their happily ever after alongside them alien waifus.

Emokids crying because there are only emo endings? That doesn't make sense.


Thats the beauty of it, its not really the Relay detonation endings, its the epilogue that you don't get to have with Shepard and his Xenos or female Waifus. 


Even 40k generally has happier endings than that.  Well depending on which side you were rooting for I suppose.


Depends on who is the Author.  I support Chaos and Genestealer Cults.  Almost always these are the antagonists, and when they're not, we only want the side we're supporting to win, so we ignore everything else. 

Ironically Storm of Iron, from the smurf author, is one of the best Chaos novels.

You should try Anthony reynolds Wordbearer series and Aaron night lords series. I like storm of Iron but I feel that Honsu is a bit overated as a warsmith.

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Maybe Bioware is practicing for their next space-based RPG, a game where you play an Inquisitor for the God Emperor of Mankind, based on the Dark Heresy system?

...****. Now I want some company to actually do that.

P.S.: Anyone who uses the word emo in a context other that describing the genre of emotional hardcore bands like Rites of Spring needs to stop. Please.

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Corvus Metus wrote...

Maybe Bioware is practicing for their next space-based RPG, a game where you play an Inquisitor for the God Emperor of Mankind, based on the Dark Heresy system?

...****. Now I want some company to actually do that.

P.S.: Anyone who uses the word emo in a context other that describing the genre of emotional hardcore bands like Rites of Spring needs to stop. Please.

I would so play that. But make it a Rogue Trader game as well.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Faithful... enlightened... ambitious... brethren.

In but five years, a mere few swipes of the pendulum, we have gathered a sacrifice to EA that will be made legend.

Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that enlightened me in my years of working on Mass Effect 1, it was EA's messenger who showed me the true path of freedom from our pathetic corpselike fanbase.

And what is this path? This meaning, this purpose, to which we gather the tears of our fans?

It is nothing. There is no meaning, no purpose. We troll, we screw over. It is mindless savagery; this universe is mindless.

In mere hours, millions will rage. Innocent and guilty, strong and weak, honest and deceitful, ALL of them.

They will scream, they will cry, and for no purpose but that mighty EA might revel in their rage.

And united in this void of purpose, fear or profit, we shall at long last be free!

RAGE FOR THE RAGE GOD! TEARS FOR THE TEAR THRONE! LET THE INTERNET BURRRRRN!


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