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[himegoto]

Whats the point of the class really especially on gold? I have a mantis X and I need to land 1 or 2 headshots just to take away the shields of anything non scrub trooper. ANd I dont even know if a headshot or a body makes any difference.
The salarians have the rip shield skill which is nice. But what have human got to make a gold gun worthwhile? Dont use a sniper rifle?

[marshalleck]

Human infiltrators are just fine.

[Arppis]

Play a class you enjoy. I don't mind being bit underpowered as long as I am pulling my weight and I am having fun. Try Carnifex next time.

[Fortack]

himegoto wrote...

The salarians have the rip shield skill which is nice. But what have human got to make a gold gun worthwhile? Dont use a sniper rifle?

You can one-(head)shot all enemies who have lost defenses (or have none) with the Widow 1 (and higher). You can one-shot defenses of stronger enemies and casting Cryo Blast immediately after the shot will freeze them for the next (kill shot).

Yes, the Salarian has an advantage right now. But we don't know much about the other enemies we'll be facing in MP yet. For all we know, Energy Drain might be a crappy power playing different maps & enemies. 

[himegoto]

They seem to be just fine only if
1. its on bronze
2. the enemy has its shield taken off.

I already have a shotgun-melee happy salarian inf.

[himegoto]

Fortack wrote...

himegoto wrote...

The salarians have the rip shield skill which is nice. But what have human got to make a gold gun worthwhile? Dont use a sniper rifle?

You can one-(head)shot all enemies who have lost defenses (or have none) with the Widow 1 (and higher). You can one-shot defenses of stronger enemies and casting Cryo Blast immediately after the shot will freeze them for the next (kill shot).

Yes, the Salarian has an advantage right now. But we don't know much about the other enemies we'll be facing in MP yet. For all we know, Energy Drain might be a crappy power playing different maps & enemies. 

I only have 2 in widow... so the low CD keeps me happy
I always do the follow up. But the point of my thread wasnt trying to say the human infiltrator is a weak class I just think its weird giving no edge to a sniper class with a sniper rifle... The turian sentinel would be a better sniper class with overload.

[KiraTsukasa]

The people I've played with always seem to enjoy it when I slow down Phantoms with cryo...

[We Tigers]

The salarian will be a lot less useful against armored opponents without shields/barriers to drain. You can play pretty fast and loose with the salarian now since Cerberus is loaded with guys he can leech when cloaked. With both sticky grenade and cryo blast--which can weaken armor almost as much as a warp--the human seems much better suited for taking on armor.

Also, unless I'm hallucinating, throwing a sticky grenade doesn't break cloak. Even taken only to rank 3, that's 900 AOE damage in your pocket that you can drop undetected. You can put your 6th rank of tactical cloak towards sniper damage instead of the bonus power if you want to roll that way.

Modifié par We Tigers, 29 février 2012 - 02:08 .

[KiraTsukasa]

We Tigers wrote...

The salarian will be a lot less useful against armored opponents without shields/barriers to drain. You can play pretty fast and loose with the salarian now since Cerberus is loaded with guys he can leech when cloaked. With both sticky grenade and cryo blast--which can weaken armor almost as much as a warp--the human seems much better suited for taking on armor.

Also, unless I'm hallucinating, throwing a sticky grenade doesn't break cloak. Even taken only to rank 3, that's 900 AOE damage in your pocket that you can drop undetected. You can put your 6th rank of tactical cloak towards sniper damage instead of the bonus power if you want to roll that way.

Maybe because it's a power, but not. Tossing a grenade doesn't cause a power cooldown so maybe cloak doesn't count it as a power.

I'm just speculating on that though.

[Fortack]

himegoto wrote...

I only have 2 in widow... so the low CD keeps me happy
I always do the follow up. But the point of my thread wasnt trying to say the human infiltrator is a weak class I just think its weird giving no edge to a sniper class with a sniper rifle... The turian sentinel would be a better sniper class with overload.

Agreed. An insta-cast power to stagger enemies would be really helpful. Cryo Blast is nice, but takes too long to reach the target (which is usually far away when you're using a sniper rifle). Grenades have the same problem.

Can't wait to try the Turian. Overload is awesome CC power, should be really good for snipers

[Charlie2417]

the satirist wrote...

himegoto wrote...

I only have 2 in widow... so the low CD keeps me happy
I always do the follow up. But the point of my thread wasnt trying to say the human infiltrator is a weak class I just think its weird giving no edge to a sniper class with a sniper rifle... The turian sentinel would be a better sniper class with overload.

And why would the human infiltrator be a sniper class, if the stats don't give bonuses to sniper rifles?

Snipers aim for the head for one shot kills right? Infiltrator can spec for cloak dmg boost on the first shot right and 20% for head shots from a passive. Seems like this works for both sniping and shot gunning.

[We Tigers]

Fortack wrote...

himegoto wrote...

I only have 2 in widow... so the low CD keeps me happy
I always do the follow up. But the point of my thread wasnt trying to say the human infiltrator is a weak class I just think its weird giving no edge to a sniper class with a sniper rifle... The turian sentinel would be a better sniper class with overload.

Agreed. An insta-cast power to stagger enemies would be really helpful. Cryo Blast is nice, but takes too long to reach the target (which is usually far away when you're using a sniper rifle). Grenades have the same problem.

Can't wait to try the Turian. Overload is awesome CC power, should be really good for snipers

The Turian sentinel is pretty good with a sniper. You don't get the bonus damage of cloak or adrenaline rush, but just being able drain shields and stagger an enemy in one move makes him pretty useful. I usually beast with him using an assault rifle, in part because of the great stability bonuses, but the Mantis is a nice quick kill after overload. With overload chained, you can stun three enemies at once; I bet it would be pretty fun to overload some troopers and see if you can tag them all with the Viper.

[Relix28]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

The salarian will be a lot less useful against armored opponents without shields/barriers to drain. You can play pretty fast and loose with the salarian now since Cerberus is loaded with guys he can leech when cloaked. With both sticky grenade and cryo blast--which can weaken armor almost as much as a warp--the human seems much better suited for taking on armor.

Also, unless I'm hallucinating, throwing a sticky grenade doesn't break cloak. Even taken only to rank 3, that's 900 AOE damage in your pocket that you can drop undetected. You can put your 6th rank of tactical cloak towards sniper damage instead of the bonus power if you want to roll that way.

Maybe because it's a power, but not. Tossing a grenade doesn't cause a power cooldown so maybe cloak doesn't count it as a power.

I'm just speculating on that though.

I can confirm this. Stickies do not break cloak, wich can be pretty darn useful. Coupled with the rank 6 "free power" cloak evolution, I am able to toss 2 sticky grenades AND fire off Cryo Blast, while still remaining hidden.

[eye basher]

Why do people assume the infiltrator is a sniper because garrus uses one the infiltrator is basically a saboteur he gets behind enemy lines and causes damages to enemie systems and equipment tha's why it's called an infiltrator.

[ExOrigin]

Playing w/ a widow, on gold,
1-Cloak
2-Shoot & use cryo blast ( little timing here )
3-Finish the job

[ShadowOfZara]

eye basher wrote...

Why do people assume the infiltrator is a sniper because garrus uses one the infiltrator is basically a saboteur he gets behind enemy lines and causes damages to enemie systems and equipment tha's why it's called an infiltrator.

Because Tactical Cloak has a massive sniper rifle damage boost (if you spec it).

On gold I have to admit the human infitrator falls a bit short (with a sniper rifle) since most of the time, for some stupid reason, you do 0 health damage (or at the very least displays as such) if there is a barrier or shield in the way, no matter whether you should do half or more of their life as well as all of their shields/barrier.  Were this to be fixed then Human Infiltrator would be just as viable again, though obviously overload and energy drain would still be useful,

[Navasha]

My human infiltrator is an ice queen. Lobbying out AoE cryos every other second, freezes/slows most things on the field. Its a lot of fun to play. My cloaking is only for medic duty, and the occasional lone objective recovery. One of the best support role characters I have, but its not played in the stereotypical infiltrator roles.

[Mand0l1n]

Always go with shotgun on my human infiltrator - great stuff!

[hangmans tree]

Well, to tell you the truth I was playing a humie inf with mantis X on gold last night for the first time. It was ok, I managed, and we, the random team, successfully finished the challange.
I have near instant CD on cryo and about 2 sec on cloak...only mantis as a weapon... no, ok, I am the weapon

[himegoto]

Well ya I agree with what most of you said. They could probably make a good close up shotgun class. Too bad I made my salarian a melee shotgun so specced nothing into fitness for my human.
But as I was saying, human infiltrator with a sniper rifle is probably the second most useless class in gold.

[Guglio08]

Play with your pistol of choice and only that, and try to see how many sticky grenade kill you can manage. If you don't have fun with that then I don't know what to tell you.