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[batlin]

The vast majority of it involves Shepard recruiting people for his mission.

So.....does Cerberus not have a human resources department to handle that kind of thing? Why would they send their flagship operative to just pick people up? Could they not have just had all the people in the dossier meet up at Cerberus HQ? I mean, I understand some of them required favors as part of their payment, but Cerberus has a small army at their disposal. They're more than capable of accomplishing some mercenary work.

So...what gives

[theWarmaster]

lolz

[snapper.fishes]

Well, it seems that in the mass effect universe inter-planet communication is woefully inadequate. Yes Normandy has its cool quantum mechanics telecommunication device, but otherwise there seems to be little to no information sharing between different planets. Perhaps over-planet calls are just too expensive?

[batlin]

snapper.fishes wrote...

Well, it seems that in the mass effect universe inter-planet communication is woefully inadequate. Yes Normandy has its cool quantum mechanics telecommunication device, but otherwise there seems to be little to no information sharing between different planets. Perhaps over-planet calls are just too expensive?

Strange then that Shepard's inbox would get constantly flooded with emails and spam. I mean, christ, people who I met exactly once and surely never gave my contact information to would send you lengthy emails about how grateful they were that you settled some minor dispute of theirs.

I mean, really, if so many people can get an email to COMMANDER SHEPARD, the Mass Effect-equivalent of General Patton, I'm pretty sure intergalactic communication is highly advanced and efficient in the Mass Effect universe...

Modifié par batlin, 29 février 2012 - 09:03 .

[turianscantjunp]

These are high profile people, they need persuading, they wouldn't give a care if some nobody came and said a pro human boss would like to see you.

Shepard has to personally get these guys, he/she is someone of a very high rep. Defeating seran and a reaper. Plus half the new recruits would have killed anyone else intruding in their business.ie, the assassin ,jack , grunt, arch angel,

[swenson]

See, that's my biggest complaint about ME2. I don't mind the recruitment missions, I love all the characters and all, but the vast majority of the game is picking people up and then dealing with their personal problems. The only "plot" missions once you get the Normandy are picking up Mordin (for the countermeasures), Horizon, the one "abandoned" ship, that other "abandoned" ship, and the end.

But I guess it sort of does make some sense, at least for most of them. Okeer was potentially being held against his will by Blue Suns, Archangel was under attack by Omega's merc bands, Tali was on a geth-infested planet... you can't exactly send out an HR person with a clipboard and briefcase to hire them! Or Samara, it's unlikely she would've responded to a lackey. It was only speaking to Shepard that convinced her to work with her.

Thane is about the only one who could've been hired normally. And if you think about it, Cerberus does have an HR department to hire people--that's how Zaeed and Kasumi got involved, after all!

[batlin]

turianscantjunp wrote...

These are high profile people, they need persuading, they wouldn't give a care if some nobody came and said a pro human boss would like to see you.

Shepard has to personally get these guys, he/she is someone of a very high rep. Defeating seran and a reaper. Plus half the new recruits would have killed anyone else intruding in their business.ie, the assassin ,jack , grunt, arch angel,

No, all the squadmates already agreed to join the mission. That's why they're in the dossier to begin with. I'm not sure about archangel, but Grunt remember wasn't even on the list to begin with, his "father" was.

[batlin]

swenson wrote...

But I guess it sort of does make some sense, at least for most of them. Okeer was potentially being held against his will by Blue Suns, Archangel was under attack by Omega's merc bands, Tali was on a geth-infested planet... you can't exactly send out an HR person with a clipboard and briefcase to hire them! Or Samara, it's unlikely she would've responded to a lackey. It was only speaking to Shepard that convinced her to work with her.

But again, Cerberus has an army. I don't see why they could have helped out archangel. I don't see why they couldn't have fended off the Blue Suns to save Okeer. They're an intergalactic military/science organization with vast resources. Again, if certain people would have only responded to Shepard, there's no reason they couldn't just tell them that Shepard would be leading the team.

[turianscantjunp]

@batlin you have a fair point. I guess it would've made more sense. But it would have deprived Shepard from doing anything lol. Yet very expensive for the illusive man.

The stories now set up so Shepard has to face the reapers and the armies of Cerberus I'd assume.

[Arkalezth]

batlin wrote...

No, all the squadmates already agreed to join the mission. That's why they're in the dossier to begin with. I'm not sure about archangel, but Grunt remember wasn't even on the list to begin with, his "father" was.

That's not correct, the dossiers are just reports with info about those people. Most of them are told about what's going on when you meet them. Jack is in jail (and not likely that she'd had agreed to join Cerberus anyway). Tali discovers after meeting Shepard at Freedom's Progress, but she rejects the offer to join if you ask her. In the end, the only ones who have already been hired are Zaeed and Kasumi (Jacob and Miranda apart).

Now, is Shepard needed to recruit them (recruit, not saving them from their enemies)? Well, not for all, but for some. Mordin, Samara and Thane could have probably been recruited normally. But I don't see Tali and Jack, and probably Garrus, joining Cerberus if Shepard hadn't been there to intermediate. Maybe even Grunt, he could have joined just to fight against a powerful enemy, but the lack of a "warlord" like Shepard could have made a difference. I guess they could have been kidnapped or something, but that doesn't mean that they would have been willing to join the mission.

[mxfox408]

batlin wrote...

swenson wrote...

But I guess it sort of does make some sense, at least for most of them. Okeer was potentially being held against his will by Blue Suns, Archangel was under attack by Omega's merc bands, Tali was on a geth-infested planet... you can't exactly send out an HR person with a clipboard and briefcase to hire them! Or Samara, it's unlikely she would've responded to a lackey. It was only speaking to Shepard that convinced her to work with her.

But again, Cerberus has an army. I don't see why they could have helped out archangel. I don't see why they couldn't have fended off the Blue Suns to save Okeer. They're an intergalactic military/science organization with vast resources. Again, if certain people would have only responded to Shepard, there's no reason they couldn't just tell them that Shepard would be leading the team.

Your forgetting that Shepard died and do you think someone who Shepard fought in the past(Cerberus) would be able to convince others of Shepard being alive? Better for shepard to do it in person. Even tali had a hard time believing it AMD Shepard was right in front of her.

[batlin]

Arkalezth wrote...

That's not correct, the dossiers are just reports with info about those people. Most of them are told about what's going on when you meet them. Jack is in jail (and not likely that she'd had agreed to join Cerberus anyway). Tali discovers after meeting Shepard at Freedom's Progress, but she rejects the offer to join if you ask her. In the end, the only ones who have already been hired are Zaeed and Kasumi (Jacob and Miranda apart).

Now, is Shepard needed to recruit them (recruit, not saving them from their enemies)? Well, not for all, but for some. Mordin, Samara and Thane could have probably been recruited normally. But I don't see Tali and Jack, and probably Garrus, joining Cerberus if Shepard hadn't been there to intermediate. Maybe even Grunt, he could have joined just to fight against a powerful enemy, but the lack of a "warlord" like Shepard could have made a difference. I guess they could have been kidnapped or something, but that doesn't mean that they would have been willing to join the mission.

Well for one, Tali and Grunt weren't in the dossier. Had Cerberus just been recruiting people since before Shepard was revived, Okeer would have been alive to accept. Garrus would have been happy to jump on if they were to tell him that Shepard was leading the mission. Thane was just happy with stopping to collectors, and since he's an assassin he really shouldn't have an issue with being hired on like Zaeed and Kasumi were. Mordin is interested in the Collectors as well. Really, there's no reason Shepard himself had to jump through hoops to get al these guys.

[batlin]

mxfox408 wrote...

Your forgetting that Shepard died and do you think someone who Shepard fought in the past(Cerberus) would be able to convince others of Shepard being alive? Better for shepard to do it in person. Even tali had a hard time believing it AMD Shepard was right in front of her.

Since arcangel is really the only one in the dossier who joined because of Shepard, it hardly warrants Shepard going out to each person individually.

[Arkalezth]

batlin wrote...

Well for one, Tali and Grunt weren't in the dossier. Had Cerberus just been recruiting people since before Shepard was revived, Okeer would have been alive to accept. Garrus would have been happy to jump on if they were to tell him that Shepard was leading the mission. Thane was just happy with stopping to collectors, and since he's an assassin he really shouldn't have an issue with being hired on like Zaeed and Kasumi were. Mordin is interested in the Collectors as well. Really, there's no reason Shepard himself had to jump through hoops to get al these guys.

Tali was in the dossier. Not sure if Garrus would have happily accepted and trusted Cerberus right away, but there's no way to know. Not sure about Okeer either, his only goal was to create Grunt, not stopping the collectors or share information about them, though I guess Shepard wouldn't necessarily make a difference there.

The others you mention, I've already written about them. As I said, is Shepard needed to recruit all squadmates? No. But he is for some. So yes, you have a point, at least partially. But then you could also start by asking why Shepard is needed to blow up the collector's base.

This should be moved to the storyline forum btw, this is the no spoilers one.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 02 mars 2012 - 05:16 .