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#251
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Goodness, BSN is becoming an increasingly unattractive place to frequent. The site conduct changes are draconian and unnecessary. Zero tolerance is over the top.

The site changes underscore an us v. them attitude. They only serve to increase the distance and relation between Bioware and their fanbase.

Now they've assigned themselves the ultimate trump card, conform or else. Doesnt a site ban equate to not being able to log into certain if not all EA games? Wow, another good reason to be AGAINST the idea of cloud gaming/Origin.

In the past the consumer controlled  the software, who gives a damn what one says in a forum?Now, ban me from the forum and take away my gaming privilege? Screw that. EA/Bioware has the Midas touch of marginalizing their fans... I am pretty confident I will not be buying another EA/Bioware game or subjecting myself to the arbitrary rules of a bunch of self important...


Zero tolerance is not over the top when it comes to people who can't do anything besides scream verbal abuse at the top of their digital lungs and who claim that it's "voicing their opinions." Throwing expletive-filled tantrums is not/should not be acceptable, so you have a simple choice: be civil and post your complaints (or have debates on issues) in a civil manner...or leave. They're not censoring anyone's opinion at all - they're just asking people to grow up and act their age, and if you can't manage to behave like an adult in this place, that's really your problem, not theirs.

Also, BioWare's never marginalized their fans in my opinion - I remember being around the old BW forums, and they were one of the only devs that interacted with their fans to the degree that they did. Instead of being, you know, appreciative of that, people have just become increasingly vicious over the years and seem to feel that that existing relationship entitles them to some sort of special right to say anything they want (even if it's horribly abusive).

This didn't just happen magically because of DA2 or ME2. It was going on even with DA:O (the ostensible golden child on the fantasy RPG side of things). I remember plenty of acrimonious arguments and threads on every bloody topic, including the Dark Ritual, Loghain, etc. It's just gotten progressively worse every year until it seems like a lot of people here have lost all sense of decorum.

It's incredibly funny that you're calling them self-important for requiring that we all behave decently to each other. If anything sounds self-important, I think it's your post. Furthermore, it was stated that a site ban would NOT equate to a ban on your EA account.


Perhaps, I wasnt clear, but you misunderstand  the jist of my post. Let me simplify my take on the situation:

The site policies disclaimer is the precursor to an upcoming purge of forum participants. Its the proverbial "I told you so". The justification.

You speak for everyone when you say Bioware has never marginalized fans? I d say your wrong. Bioware essentially turned its back on PC users with the release of DA 2, a console friendly game intended for the casual gamer.

Some moderators, in my opinion come off like self important jerks, when they prematurely and arbitrarilly lock threads and edit posts.

Essential yet controversial topics are locked. i.e. Origins threads.

Lately the tendency of the forum has been to silence any type of dissenting opinion even if it isnt vitriolic in nature.

So yes I feel marginalized, ive had my threads edited, ive seen dissenting threads that I identify with locked. It seems that non party line opinions are swept under the rug.

I am not defending the obnoxious jerk who is quick to insult those who dont agree with him/her. Of course rules for civil discourse, (dont get me going on that word because their is nothing civil about the civilized world plus its a remnant of the eurocentric idea of the Great Chain of Being... but I digress) are not outrageous, but the percieved intent is to ban a number of people for the slightest infraction or perhpaps to ban the dissenters.

Altogether, the general demeanor of Bioware Moderators and official statments/posts, in my opinion, does not, foster a sense of community.

Also, if the new disclaimer is just a restatment of already existing guidlines then really... whats the point?

Modifié par sreaction, 02 mars 2012 - 08:43 .


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sreaction wrote...

Lately the tendency of the forum has been to silence any type of dissenting opinion even if it isnt vitriolic in nature.


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I encourage you to look at your feed right now. Likely half of the posts are on a thread complaining about the endings, a thread that had 284+ pages when I looked at it a couple of hours ago.


Edit: And every single opinionated comment I have made on ME3 has been extremely negative, yet not a one of them was removed.

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The thread is to discuss the new site rules - love'em, hate'em, etc. Continuing down the path of discussing each other will result in the new rules being applied. Sort it out and get it back on topic.

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My apologies.

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Cartims wrote...


I must say....I am never one to be taken seriously...my shock value is to amuse not to insult..If I have ever offended anyone...:P

Just kidding...:D


I'll remember that. Oh yes, I will.

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As for the rules change, if people would just treat each other like human beings, that is, with respect and politeness, then this change wouldn't even have been necessary. But no, it's the internet, people can be whoever they want to be and hide behind avatars, shouting out their biased opinions...I'm all for a polite and rational discussion, but if I just get insults thrown at me, then I stop the conversation there. It's just futile.

Edit: I've been thinking about this post for a while and due to the cynicism I've built up over the few years I've been here, I must say that what I stated above is just wishful thinking. Every social network attracts trolls and idiots who don't know better than to follow their irrational views and beliefs...So yeah, I don't really care anymore. It's been a long time since I ever really wholeheartedly participated in a topic or roleplaying game on here. I tend  to avoid the forums nowadays, just leaving comments here and there...But in general I've stopped bothering. Real life is already busy enough as it is and I tend to focus on that more right now.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

There you go. Page 293, it looks like.

Now, what were you sayng about BW silencing dissenting opinions?


If it's like the discussion of Origin, you'll find whole pages of nothing but posts deleted by mods, including questions about ME3 and Origin that were respectfully phrased and never answered other then to delete them.

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BaronIveagh wrote...
If it's like the discussion of Origin, you'll find whole pages of nothing but posts deleted by mods, including questions about ME3 and Origin that were respectfully phrased and never answered other then to delete them.


Most of this is based on this site rule

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature.[/b] Warez, software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with on a case by case basis.


Much of the Origin discussion trended towards advocating piracy, or working to disable the DRM via virtual machines or something similar.  Which is pretty much how most game companies react.  Origin is going to be on future EA owned games--just deal with it or do without.

But then again, I suspect you'll make more comparisons to George Orwell again.  Which is stupid--at the end of the day, the discussion of games on a publisher's website is very minor compared to cases of real censorship and exploitation in the world.  These games are small entertainment diversions, which require people to have disposable income for luxuries (mostly well-to-do white people in the Western world), this isn't as critical an issue as politics, social issues, etc.  If you were talking about government censorship, I'd agree.  But comparing Stanley Woo to big brother is making a mountain out of a molehill and shows why rules like this exist.

People take their games way too seriously...

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I believe the new forum rules while are invented to stop abuse from community members against each other, from insulting each other and the mod's. However from reading this thread community member's still do it just in a very civil manner. From my knowledge people still got bans before this was placed into effect. I know so, because I read thread's complaining about the person being banned.

This is an online gaming forum to have a messgae stating that they will kick you out for this, and this. It's coming across a little less friendly, and no less when Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be released. I honestly don't insult other poster's, or am rude to staff. It seem's like to me that certain abuse

The mod's may have been getting from a small mintority of people, they became frustrated and do this on the majority. I'm just curious what the gaming website's what will have to report on this or what EA will respond or how since they are merged with Bioware, a problem with one site could lead to issues to another.

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I think they are just clarifying the rules for people. They are making sure that people realize you are not allowed to attack members of Bioware up front.

They are doing this for a major release because in the past few years, people have treated Bioware the same way hard-core Star Wars fans attack George Lucas for not embracing their interpretation of Star Wars. We have to accept that Bioware is changing their views on game design, game theory, etc. IMO they still make great games, but the more that get changed the more some people get upset and angry. Again, it's taking these things too seriously.

I also think they are just letting people know ahead of time they won't tolerate new people signing up new accounts just to take a shot at the developers, which did happen when DA2 was released.

The mod's may have been getting from a small mintority of people, they became frustrated and do this on the majority. I'm just curious what the gaming website's what will have to report on this or what EA will respond or how since they are merged with Bioware, a problem with one site could lead to issues to another.


To be honest, some of these "journalism sites" are quick to judge--many have an anti-DRM stance, for instance, so as soon as somebody talks about "Day 1 DLC" it becomes a "newsbreaking" story. However, I think they will ignore this because people don't usually care about message forums.

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JasonRocker wrote...

I believe the new forum rules while are invented to stop abuse from community members against each other, from insulting each other and the mod's. However from reading this thread community member's still do it just in a very civil manner. From my knowledge people still got bans before this was placed into effect. I know so, because I read thread's complaining about the person being banned.

This is an online gaming forum to have a messgae stating that they will kick you out for this, and this. It's coming across a little less friendly, and no less when Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be released. I honestly don't insult other poster's, or am rude to staff. It seem's like to me that certain abuse

The mod's may have been getting from a small mintority of people, they became frustrated and do this on the majority. I'm just curious what the gaming website's what will have to report on this or what EA will respond or how since they are merged with Bioware, a problem with one site could lead to issues to another.


I've been around the forums as a staff member for about a year and a half, now (I joined up when information about DA2 started to percolate) and, prior to that, I was on the old BioWare forums as a member (this was before I started working at BioWare).

It's a minority of people who are in violation of this rule, but - here's the important part - they can be a highly vocal minority. They're the group that will make multiple alt accounts after the first one gets banned because, to them, firing off vitriolic statements against other members and against BioWare staff is more important than, I don't know, making a sandwich? Doing something constructive, at least.

But, to address your last point - this has always been something we enforce on the majority. Don't want to get banned for it? Don't insult other people. Make your poitn without resorting to name calling and other 'tactics' that are completely unproductive, and your posting will be allowed to continue exactly as it has previously. Yes, it's the minority that made it necessary to articulate this - but it's always applied to everyone. We've always banned for personal attacks, and us explicitly stating this to be the case isn't going to suddenly change how we moderate. However, it does now explicitly state this to be the case, and while, sure, some people will cry '1984! The mods are downright Orwellian!', we've no plans on suddenly instituting a harsh crackdown on dissent where we only allow posts praising the Glorious Republic of BioWaristan.

However, some people do love their hyperbole, and as long as they keep it civil, hey, it's their quarter.

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A member of the bioware forum becoming an employee? I'd love to hear that story :lol:

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Doctalen wrote...

A member of the bioware forum becoming an employee? I'd love to hear that story :lol:


Mostly just a big ol' fan of BioWare games who posted a lot in University and then, after University, applied to work here and was lucky enough to get hired. I guarantee you that no one who was a mod back then would have any idea as to who I was.

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JohnEpler wrote...

Doctalen wrote...

A member of the bioware forum becoming an employee? I'd love to hear that story :lol:


Mostly just a big ol' fan of BioWare games who posted a lot in University and then, after University, applied to work here and was lucky enough to get hired. I guarantee you that no one who was a mod back then would have any idea as to who I was.

Don't see that everyday. Love that they know you were a member but not which one :P

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JasonRocker wrote...

This is an online gaming forum to have a messgae stating that they will kick you out for this, and this. It's coming across a little less friendly, and no less when Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be released.e


Acrimonious... the tone is acrimonioius. But in retrospect, if I had to deal with a hundred, no thousands of bickering know it alls I guess Id get a little jaded.

Modifié par sreaction, 02 mars 2012 - 06:46 .