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[android654]

I can't wait for people to complain about this too.

[BomimoDK]

HiroVoid wrote...


Actually, as long as they don't personally attack you, they should be fine.

Actually, they almost always resort to personal attacks. They're just worded in pseudo-intellectual ways that would seem indirect or harmless. Abuse here is frequent. Even if i'm never the subject of it.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 29 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Thanks, (...) but over the last couple of years, we've seen a general attitude shift from the BSN being a special place where people actually got to chat with game developers to a place with a tremendous amount of negativity and people taking our developers for granted, to the point of hurling abuse at them or otherwise showing disrespect. This has made the BSN a place that developers try to avoid.

We're hoping to change that with this change. We're no longer going to be your punching bags, we're no longer going to accept abuse or disrespect. people are still, as in the past, free to disagree with us, dislike us, and criticize us. No, it is even more important that people do it with maturity and civility, just as we've requested all along.

For the vast majority of our fans, there will be little to no difference. We've been very grateful to have such awesome fans who we can chat with about our games, even disagree with each other and debate various game features and systems. That will not change. it's only the worst elements of fandom that we'd prefer to not have disrupting your community experience. And may, just maybe, it will encourage more developers to come by and have a chat with y'all.

Two things: 

1.  After I've seen the notice x times, will it stop screeching at me? 

(I know, I know, there is no volume level or pitch in the text) 

2.  Was there anything in particular happening the last couple of days that amounted to the last straw? 

[Giltspur]

The boards are too hostile, and I'd like for them to be more conducive to dev participation. So I'm supportive of increased emphasis on discouraging personal attacks.

[casadechrisso]

Not that I like harsh rules, normally I would complain, but in this case I think I know where this is coming from and who to thank for it. It's not good, but understandable.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 29 février 2012 - 09:07 .

[Beocat]

I think the forums have probably been building to this point...though ME3 coming out next week makes this seem like they anticipate our hatred... This gives me some pause about whether the story will be quality material this time around or if EA has corrupted the series (EA having bought Bioware could potentially change the original direction of the series if the EA execs thought they could get more money with one direction over another). Anyways, it is worrisome to me simply because of its timing. Had this been two weeks ago, I wouldn't be associating it with the game I've been looking forward to being released.

I also think this begs the question as to whether bans will block people from their paid-for content. I am of the belief that once you pay for something, it is your to do with as you like (burn it for all I care). However, items like DLC are not a "subscription" which can be cut on and off on a whim. I see it like I would a song you buy off of iTunes. You paid for it so you can play it (on whatever device you want). Cutting someone off by a ban is like taking back the copy they bought without giving them a refund. It's a poor business practice and leaves customers feeling as though they were robbed.

My only other question is whether these rules extend into groups. I am currently under the impression that people can still form groups and say whatever they like (or call the group whatever they like) so is that going to remain free from moderation as well?

[John Epler]

HiroVoid wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I'm hoping this means a stricter and more heavily moderated BSN. If it were up to me, I would swing the banhammer very liberally and on an hourly basis.

I'm sure you'd appreciate the flak from every news outlet out there for locking tons of people out of their games then.   Can also do a lot of things for a company's reputation as well as losing potential customers.

Bans should just lock you out of posting on the boards... not your DLC or EA account. Whatchuonabout?

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-out-of-games/

This applies to this site as well, and it's my major issue with bannings.  Posting here is a priviledge.  Being able to play your game that you paid for should not be.

Any bans done by us are forum-only bans. They shouldn't have any effect on your ability to play games.

[Elhanan]

Gorath Alpha wrote... *snip*

2.  Was there anything in particular happening the last couple of days that amounted to the last straw? 

Look here:

http://social.biowar...0/index/9381043

[Cinnabar6]

I am happy this has been done. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

I would like to encourage all of you who are on board with the new rules--and even someo f those who aren't--to help us out as we go forward with the BioWare Social Network. instead of just hitting the REPORT THIS POST button when you see trouble, take the time to message a Moderator or two and link them to the trouble also. That way, we get immediate reports of trouble and can get to them quickly. Lead by example, folks, and show the newbies what it means to be a member of the BioWare Social Network.

now I'm not talking about narcing on folks and tattling, but keep us informed if you see trouble or potential trouble in the threads you visit regularly. the more support we get from you guys, the less likely it'll be that we'll get overwhelmed and perhaps judge someone a little too harshly.

We do understand that people form friendships and little cliques and have their inside jokes and lightheartedly poke fun of each other, but if we don't understand something like that, we'll check. EternalAmbiguity gets poked quite often in one of the Off-Topic threads, but the second he comes to me and says he'd like it to stop or be toned down, we'll make sure it stops or gets toned down.

And don't worry, a ban here is only for the BioWare Social Network; it should have no connection with your game access. i don't even think we can do that here, and that only EA Community has that kind of ability.

[BomimoDK]

I'm in on that. But what is your policy regarding timed bans? is a ban permanent or is it done incrementally increasing bits of time up till an inevitable permaban? I'm not one to cross a line but i'd like to have a chance to come back if i did. People tend to cool down or learn after going overboard... or a few do.

[Beocat]

Well, the fact that those who are banned will still retain their game access is a relief. That is one question of mine answered. Thank you Stanley and Epler.

[John Epler]

BomimoDK wrote...

I'm in on that. But what is your policy regarding timed bans? is a ban permanent or is it done incrementally increasing bits of time up till an inevitable permaban? I'm not one to cross a line but i'd like to have a chance to come back if i did. People tend to cool down or learn after going overboard... or a few do.

By and large, unless it's for a serious offense (blatant racism, posting of pornography or other images that are considered unacceptable, posting links to pirated software), we tend towards 24-hour bans. As mentioned, there are exceptions, but unless you're consistently and regularly hostile on the forums you probably won't end up banned permanently.

[rolson00]

perhaps the site managers could put up something that tells people which mods are online like a twitter feed, only biofeed?

[AtreiyaN7]

Bravo - it's about time.

[John Epler]

rolson00 wrote...

perhaps the site managers could put up something that tells people which mods are online like a twitter feed, only biofeed?

That's a good suggestion! I can talk to the site gurus about implementing something like this in the future - however, for the time being, I suggest messaging myself or Stan, as I tend to have the forums running on my second monitor and notifications about PMs go straight to my work inbox (which, if I'm at the office, I'll always see).

[BomimoDK]

rolson00 wrote...

perhaps the site managers could put up something that tells people which mods are online like a twitter feed, only biofeed?

A few other forums, like Facepunch has it at the bottom. On the mainpage you can see all online members and mods and when you're navigating sub-forums and threads you can see the mods and members browsing that part of the forum along with who's responsible for that section. Very useful.

[mousestalker]

I'm good with the changes. There really isn't any reason to be be uncivil here. If you want to flame Bioware employees, create your own website.

[ObserverStatus]

Well, if Bioware is just going to start banning people more liberally for blatant attacks on their staff, and it gives the rest of us a chance to interact with them in a civil manner, I'm all for this.

[Dave of Canada]

So I can't keep my signature anymore? It was the nicest thing ever said to me.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 février 2012 - 09:25 .

[John Epler]

Dave of Canada wrote...

So I can't keep my signature anymore? It was the nicest thing ever said to me.

I recommend putting it on a plaque and then hanging that above your desk. Motivational!

[BomimoDK]

Dave of Canada wrote...

So I can't keep my signature anymore? It was the nicest thing ever said to me.

what a thoroughly loveable fellow. You simply MUST introduce me.

JohnEpler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

So I can't keep my signature anymore? It was the nicest thing ever said to me.

I recommend putting it on a plaque and then hanging that above your desk. Motivational!

One of my closest friends presented me with a "Please get the **** out of my life" poster. I've hung it on the roof above my bed so i can wake up to those golden words every morning. Some days i wonder if those words were really what saved my life...

I think it did. A few weeks later he got killed in traffic. One of the very rare gasoline explotions- 
ok i can't keep this up. It's not even funny anymore. Sorry, i killed it.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 29 février 2012 - 09:32 .

[Sandbox47]

Valkyre4 wrote...

While I agree with the general concept behind these rule changes, the wording used to express them is very very poor in my humble opinion.

The part where it says -and actually stresses that out even more- that I am "priviledged" to be a member of this community, sounds a bit.... eh... cocky and arrogant. It makes it sound as if BSN is the holy grail of gaming communities and to call your customers, who actually pay for this whole BSN by buying your games, "privileged" doesnt sound so cool.

I can 100% understand and agree with the fact that there needs to be a line and everyone should behave as mature individuals, but come on... why are we privileged to be here and not you having us here creating such a big fanbase? Without us, there wouldnt be a BSN, so please dont make it sound like we are lucky to even be here...

Just my 2 cents.

The "priviliged" bit has been very understated and subdued in BSN for a long time. I was pretty impressed at how the staff actually communicates reasonably with the users and not just moderates things. It's pretty cruel of us users to be attacking BioWare in general when they haven't actually done anything wrong, but it's much worse when one single member is insulted. 

It genuinelly isn't a right because ... well, we're not really *that* useful and amazing, even though we say that we are. Or something. 

So yeah, I'm totally for this change.  We are ninja.

[C9316]

So how long till that update disappears from the top of the screen? It's already getting annoying seeing that thing there everywhere I go...