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[CyberNinjaSensei]

This actually reminds me of the GameAmp, site-wide crackdown they finally enforced back in '06/'07 (I was semi-active on the Guild Wars side) due to sheer disrespect and lack of common sense shown by users.

BioWare (as a whole, not one specific team) has actually fallen out of favor with me. However, I do not unflinchingly verbally abuse ANYONE on these forums and this is where I could start on my fuddy-duddy "Whippersnappers nowadays got no respect for anyone" which is a societal problem that spills over into other aspects of life.

But I digress. As previously stated, as long as Mods land more on the 'right decision' side of this fine line, then good on ya. I do not envy any Mod that has to make those user/usage ban decisions. I don't envy the poor saps that cannot act like productive members of ANY community, either.

Best of luck 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

BaronIveagh wrote...

And, yes, while that's certainly a part of it, it makes it look like they are bracing for negative backlash from the upcomming ME3 launch.  That might not be their intention, but that is what it's going to look like.  Particularly with TB screaming into a mic and calling for a boycott of ME3 atm.

While I can appreciate that perspective they haven't said people aren't allowed to criticise their products (within the bounds of the regular rules). The rule change was very specifically aimed to protecting people, both staff and other forum users.

After what happened when DA2 launched I wouldn't be surprised if ME3 didn't figure into the equation somewhere. If Bioware is trying to pre-emptively prevent similar scenes to what DA2 staff were subjected to, more power to them IMO. It's overdue.

Whatever it looks like elsewhere, from where I sit it's looking pretty good.

[Elhanan]

Rephrased from another thread:

Guessing the invasion of privacy, family harassment, death threats, and on-going persecution of one staff member may have escaped some people's notice. This is my best guess of the new CoC based on the timing, but it has been sorely needed for many moons. IMO.

Whether the victim be a Developer, player, or simply another poster within this community, anyone here should expect better than this kind of treatment. And as a supposed civilized society, all of us should expect better from each other.

Modifié par Elhanan, 01 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Barry Bathernak]

Am I the only one who scared to post now, out of fear of messing up a post with a very minor insult?

[addiction21]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

After what happened when DA2 launched I wouldn't be surprised if ME3 didn't figure into the equation somewhere. If Bioware is trying to pre-emptively prevent similar scenes to what DA2 staff were subjected to, more power to them IMO. It's overdue.

Whatever it looks like elsewhere, from where I sit it's looking pretty good.

Not just the staff. Plenty of forumites got a hefty amount abuse.

[TanithAeyrs]

Well said SoLD. Bioware has always been very open to constructive criticism (and compliments) but there was a definite change in the tone of the forums after DA2.

I for one am very glad to see the rule changes and rule enforcement. I would welcome a return to the lively but respectful discussions that used to characterize the forums. Bioware has allowed us to play in their sandbox so I think the least we can do is follow their rules.

[Chromie]

So how long until the notice is removed?

[sreaction]

Goodness, BSN is becoming an increasingly unattractive place to frequent. The site conduct changes are draconian and unnecessary. Zero tolerance is over the top.

The site changes underscore an us v. them attitude. They only serve to increase the distance and relation between Bioware and their fanbase.

Now they've assigned themselves the ultimate trump card, conform or else. Doesnt a site ban equate to not being able to log into certain if not all EA games? Wow, another good reason to be AGAINST the idea of cloud gaming/Origin.

In the past the consumer controlled  the software, who gives a damn what one says in a forum?Now, ban me from the forum and take away my gaming privilege? Screw that. EA/Bioware has the Midas touch of marginalizing their fans... I am pretty confident I will not be buying another EA/Bioware game or subjecting myself to the arbitrary rules of a bunch of self important...

[Jerakal]

I can't wait for this rule to be used to ban people for "Any and all criticism against Bioware or it's employees."

Everything is fine, everyone loves you.

Watch this post for edits, kids!

[Tryynity]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Just wanted to say Kudos to BioWare about the Site Rule changes - I think its great! 

/Agreed

[Firky]

I think this sends a great message. Thanks mods.

[Doctalen]

I agree. I hope they can tell between attacks and friendly banter though xD

[V0LK0V]

Only users in good standing may post in the forums. Our forums are a place for responsible and respectful conversation about video games. To ensure they stay that way, we’re only allowing users with accounts in good standing to post on this site. An account is determined to be in “good standing” in the following ways:

For users who have not already logged into an EA game using this Origin account, the account must be older than 30 days;
For users who are already playing EA games and have logged in using this Origin account, the account must be registered with this site for at least 24 hours.

Could we maybe have some clarification on this? It is worded a bit oddly.

[Rockworm503]

Whats really sad is that this needed to happen in the first place.
Even sadder is I honestly don't see anything changing.
People are going to find ways they always do.

[BaronIveagh]

I watch the green blossom of dollars
Mass Effect 3 to e released without my money
Silent snow swirling

[Zaxares]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Whats really sad is that this needed to happen in the first place.

I think that's the most eloquent thing anybody could have said about this whole situation. I wish it hadn't come to this, and I do think the language used in the notice was kinda strong, but I appreciate why it was done, and it has my complete support.

[Doctalen]

[Off-topic post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 01 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[fchopin]

The changes look good.

[RamirezWolfen]

This is great, Bioware, I like it.

But I have one question for the moderators. You said, that getting banned here has no effect on playing EA games, correct? Then how come last year, I was banned for making a joke, I wasn't able to play Battlefield Bad Company 2 online? Or any EA game online in general?

[Sad Dragon]

@RamirezWolfen If I remember Correctly if someone uses the "Report this post" button it bypasses Bioware and gets reported to EA -- which might be the reason behind that.

-TSD

[RamirezWolfen]

Sad Dragon wrote...

@RamirezWolfen If I remember Correctly if someone uses the "Report this post" button it bypasses Bioware and gets reported to EA -- which might be the reason behind that.

-TSD

That probably explains it. Thanks.

[Sugandhalaya]

Will there be an german translation of the update in the german forums? not every german can read, speak & understand english.

And will the compliance with those new rules be controlled in the german BSN as it will be controlled here? because we...hm...don't really have a moderation in the german BSN.

After much critics of Origin were warned, they escaped into the german BSN and...well...i don't like the idea of the german BSN becoming a refugee camp for everyone who don't like those new rules.

@ Ivandra Ceruden:

i like your signature

Modifié par Sugandhalaya, 01 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[phimseto]

Hi Chris, Stanley, and whoever else from Bioware is reading this...

When I'm not dabbling in the video game industry, I work in higher education, and just fair warning: when you have these stricter policies in place, it's very easy to game the system - for one set of people to get away with stuff because they conform to your ideological bent/worldview. The discrepancies *are* noticed (especially by the victimized class), and it can create an environment even worse than what you were hoping to avoid. In addition to keeping people in line, please be sure to check yourself against your own biases, too.

I know that sounds totally pretentious, and I apologize. I have to look myself in the mirror all the time, too, just to make sure people are getting a fair shake. I've been in the trenches in these kinds of situations many times before, where topics can get heated very quickly, and I've seen all sorts of abuses. If you are going to allow for certain subjects to be broached, then you need to allow equal latitude on all sides of an issue.

I suppose I am nervous about all these changes, simply because I have seen similar efforts happen before that end up disenfranchising certain points of view. This is video games, not real life or academia, but I suppose it's the spirit of the thing that matters to me. I am not a big fan of orthodoxy in any way, shape, or form, though I respect where you are coming from and why this is happening. I have been a BW forum member for 10 years, and when I am here, it is as a fan only - a chance for me to be subjective, argue, and engage in a way that I cannot or will not in other areas of my personal or professional lives.

Anyways, that's my Cassandra bit for the day. Looking forward to future conversations on the BSN!

Oh...one last thought...have you ever considered creating a function that gives original posters a chance to ban people from individual threads? I've often wondered how that would shape the nature of dialogue. Yes, on one hand you could easily just have people banning those who disagree, but on the other hand, you could also have a mature debate. That's been a pet idea of mine percolating around in my head for a while, and figured I would finally share it with someone. :-)

Good luck with all this!

Modifié par phimseto, 01 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[John Epler]

Jerakal wrote...

I can't wait for this rule to be used to ban people for "Any and all criticism against Bioware or it's employees."

Everything is fine, everyone loves you.

Watch this post for edits, kids!

Please. If we were going to do that, we would've done so a lot sooner. All the rule changes do is codify an existing policy, where those who are unable to remain civil and polite are given warnings and then banned. We have this idea that people should be able to discuss our games and post feedback both positive and negative without having to worry about being flamed, berated or otherwise insulted. I know people like to wring their hands and cry 'dear me, it's like 1984!' but, truth be told, we always had the ability to censor debate if we wanted to. We don't. Never have, never will.

Once again, all these new rules are doing is codifying something that is both A) already a policy and should be a matter of common sense and courtesy. Hell, I -love- criticism - when it's properly and rationally presented. I love engaging in discussions about game mechanics, and there are names I will actively seek out when replying becuase they offer some of the best discussion, about half of whom tend towards the 'negative' side of feedback.

But. If you can't stay polite, if you can't stay civil, you aren't welcome on these forums. If that's censorship to you, so be it. This isn't a free for all, nor should it be. We want a community of people who can disagree without resorting to name calling and petty bickering. And, hopefully, making it explicit that we don't tolerate certain behaviour will be the first step towards making this a more inviting and welcoming place for consumers and developers alike.