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*spoilers*

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Teagan: If you stay here and help defend Redcliffe for *one day* I will help you get to Eamon, which you absolutely need to do. And if Eamon is dead, I as his successor will be eternally grateful to you!

PC: Deal!

Morrigan: What! HELP PEOPLE? Does not compute!

PC: .... it's to help achieve our goals, genius.

Morrigan: But.. helping people! EWWW!

*Morrigan disapproves -10*

Morrigan is not only an evil witch, she's a seriously *dumb* evil witch.

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 novembre 2009 - 06:55 .


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With Morrigan, when you have 5 options, 4 of them result in -1 to -10. One is +1.



Find that one! It's generally the one that stresses pragmatism and survival. Only help when it benefits your task at hand. Let those who are unfit to survive die. Do what you must to gain power. The ends justify the means.

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The Angry One wrote...

*spoilers*

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Teagan: If you stay here and help defend Redcliffe for *one day* I will help you get to Eamon, which you absolutely need to do. And if Eamon is dead, I as his successor will be eternally grateful to you!

PC: Deal!

Morrigan: What! HELP PEOPLE? Does not compute!

PC: .... it's to help achieve our goals, genius.

Morrigan: But.. helping people! EWWW!

*Morrigan disapproves -10*

Morrigan is not only an evil witch, she's a seriously *dumb* evil witch.

More spoilers!


Apparently she's smarter than you are, because Ban Teagan doesn't help you get to Eamon at all.
Only Perth does.  For two fights.  One of which is against Teagan!

Modifié par Taleroth, 25 novembre 2009 - 06:59 .


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Taleroth wrote...

Apparently she's smarter than you are, because Ban Teagan doesn't help you get to Eamon at all.


Yes, because it's not the signet ring he gives you that lets you into the secret passage so you can get to the castle.
Oh, wait.

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The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Apparently she's smarter than you are, because Ban Teagan doesn't help you get to Eamon at all.


Yes, because it's not the signet ring he gives you that lets you into the secret passage so you can get to the castle.
Oh, wait.

You could always loot that off his corpse after he's dead.

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The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Apparently she's smarter than you are, because Ban Teagan doesn't help you get to Eamon at all.


Yes, because it's not the signet ring he gives you that lets you into the secret passage so you can get to the castle.
Oh, wait.


I don't see why we couldn't just storm the front door like Perth does anyway.

Also, can we get the spoilers off of the NO SPOILERS forum?!  Seriously, guys.

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Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Apparently she's smarter than you are, because Ban Teagan doesn't help you get to Eamon at all.


Yes, because it's not the signet ring he gives you that lets you into the secret passage so you can get to the castle.
Oh, wait.

You could always loot that off his corpse after he's dead.


Missing the point +50

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While I think Morrigan is great, she does tend to have an irritating viewpoint on most fo the stuff you encounter. I remember asking her if she wanted to leave the group and I got a -10, I'm sat their thinking 'wha?'.

I don't have a problem who are ruthlessly efficient, but half of morrigan's ideas are little more than sheer stupidity.

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deathwing200 wrote...

DeFaWS wrote...

Morrigan is easily bribed. Bit like a prostitute. Buy her jewelry and she want to get into your pants immediately.

But yes, she does tend to hate you for the strangest things. I recall that when she joined my party I got +4 and I had said that she could take over the cooking from Alistair. It was a bit bizarre, as one would not expect her to like being treated like a maid.


Maybe Alistair is really bad at cooking.


There was actually a bit of dialogue to that effect in my play-through with my dwarf commoner. She acted insulted about the cooking, a comment was made about Alistair being a bad cook, and then we made the whole thing a joke and everything was copacetic. (Alistair's cooking comes up again in random dialogue between Alistair and Lelliana when he talks about the difference between Ferelden and Orlesian cooking, and his throwing everything in a pot and cooking it until it is a uniform color.)

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JaegerBane wrote...

While I think Morrigan is great, she does tend to have an irritating viewpoint on most fo the stuff you encounter. I remember asking her if she wanted to leave the group and I got a -10, I'm sat their thinking 'wha?'.

I don't have a problem who are ruthlessly efficient, but half of morrigan's ideas are little more than sheer stupidity.


Remember, she grew up in the wilds!  She's not "normal" by any means.  She doesn't understand a lot about friendship, loyalty, good, evil, etc.

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She should however understand the concept of a means to an end.

Are we seriously going to believe that Flemeth of all people didn't teach her that?

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Seifz wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

While I think Morrigan is great, she does tend to have an irritating viewpoint on most fo the stuff you encounter. I remember asking her if she wanted to leave the group and I got a -10, I'm sat their thinking 'wha?'.

I don't have a problem who are ruthlessly efficient, but half of morrigan's ideas are little more than sheer stupidity.


Remember, she grew up in the wilds!  She's not "normal" by any means.  She doesn't understand a lot about friendship, loyalty, good, evil, etc.


She is her "mother's" daughter. I can't say any more without spoilers.

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JaegerBane wrote...

While I think Morrigan is great, she does tend to have an irritating viewpoint on most fo the stuff you encounter. I remember asking her if she wanted to leave the group and I got a -10, I'm sat their thinking 'wha?'.

I don't have a problem who are ruthlessly efficient, but half of morrigan's ideas are little more than sheer stupidity.


Asking someone if they want to stay is a bit different than "Why are you still here?" Unless the tone is highly sarcastic, it's implying that the person is unwanted and should go away. It's like saying, "Shoo," to someone in all seriousness.

As cold and calculating as Morrigan is, she still desires to be wanted.

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Sakiradesu wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

While I think Morrigan is great, she does tend to have an irritating viewpoint on most fo the stuff you encounter. I remember asking her if she wanted to leave the group and I got a -10, I'm sat their thinking 'wha?'.

I don't have a problem who are ruthlessly efficient, but half of morrigan's ideas are little more than sheer stupidity.


Asking someone if they want to stay is a bit different than "Why are you still here?" Unless the tone is highly sarcastic, it's implying that the person is unwanted and should go away. It's like saying, "Shoo," to someone in all seriousness.

As cold and calculating as Morrigan is, she still desires to be wanted.


And she also gets very possesive, contrary to a few things she says prior to getting involved with her. So in that regard, Bioware did an excellent job - from my experience, oftentimes women say one thing, but mean another :P

To the OP - I had the same issue. I'm a goody-two-shoes character helping people, and for the longest time the message 'Morrigan does not approve -3" was popping up. My advice here is to leave her at camp if you're doing the Redcliffe quests...after that, it's not so bad. Just make sure you have gifts, and talk with her in manner that is somewhat opposite of your character's typical response.

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Taleroth wrote...

Sten is weird.  I got +12 for getting frustrated at him.


Tell me about it; I got +8 after he said something like 'So why is a woman [my PC] a warrior?' to which I replied 'I don't think the darkspawn care who kills them.'  Then he says something like 'we're wasting time here' and I said 'I couldn't agree more.'

Conversation end, +8.  ...the hell? lol

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Sten finds female fighters sexy but won't admit it. B)

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The Angry One wrote...

She should however understand the concept of a means to an end.
Are we seriously going to believe that Flemeth of all people didn't teach her that?


She probably doesn't see why saving the village is necessary at all.  Why not just storm the front door to the castle? Or, if we must save the village, why not juat force the blacksmith to do what he's supposed to do?  Why do we need to be... "nice" to him?

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Morrigan approves of this thread.



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Seifz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

She should however understand the concept of a means to an end.
Are we seriously going to believe that Flemeth of all people didn't teach her that?


She probably doesn't see why saving the village is necessary at all.  Why not just storm the front door to the castle?


Because the gate is down and the only way to open it is from the inside?

Or, if we must save the village, why not juat force the blacksmith to do what he's supposed to do?  Why do we need to be... "nice" to him?


How do you force a guy who has nothing to lose to do something he doesn't want to?
It's not really out of your way since you want to go to the castle anyway. Morrigan just seems object to the very idea of helping anyone, for any reason. Her short-sightedness is staggering.

By the way, if as a female you seduce Cammen in the Dalish camp then tell Gheyna what happened leading to her hissyfit.. Morrigan approves.
That torpedoes her character even further. She's not even against wasting time from your objective as long as it involves being a jackass to people!

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The Angry One wrote...

Because the gate is down and the only way to open it is from the inside?


Destory it?  We've got barrels of oil, big fireballs, etc.  But, assume that we can't just destroy the gate.  Why would saving the village get us into the castle any faster?  We don't know about the family signet ring and the secret passage!  From our perspective, we're saving the village because the Bann asked us to and it's the "right" thing to do.  Do you see why Morrigan might be a little irritated?


The Angry One wrote...

How do you force a guy who has nothing to lose to do something he doesn't want to?


With a pointy sword?  Or, convince him that helping the village will convince the Bann to look for his daughter?  There are a number of options that come to mind.  Promising to find his daughter, though?  From Morrigan's view, that's problematic for two reasons.  First, it's a distraction from a distraction.  We're already wasting time trying to save this little village, and now we're going to waste more time just to improve our chances?  Second, it's a promise.  I don't think the concept of a "promise" sits well with Morrigan, and that's probably especially true when your ability to live up to that promise is quite limited by factors beyond your control.

The Angry One wrote...

By the way, if as a female you seduce Cammen in the Dalish camp then tell Gheyna what happened leading to her hissyfit.. Morrigan approves.
That torpedoes her character even further. She's not even against wasting time from your objective as long as it involves being a jackass to people!


She's anti-love!

Modifié par Seifz, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:33 .


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Seifz wrote...

Destory it?  We've got barrels of oil, big fireballs, etc.  But, assume that we can't just destroy the gate.  Why would saving the village get us into the castle any faster?


Castles are designed to withstand prolonged sieges, that's the whole point of a castle. I doubt it'd be that simple.

We don't know about the family signet ring and the secret passage!  From our perspective, we're saving the village because the Bann asked us to and it's the "right" thing to do.  Do you see why Morrigan might be a little irritated?


I believe Teagan hints that he may be able to help enter the castle afterwards.
Besides, isn't it better to have Eamon's own brother on your side and grateful to you?


With a pointy sword?


Without his daughter he has nothing to live for, his own words.

Or, convince him that helping the village will convince the Bann to look for his daughter?  There are a number of options that come to mind.


They already promised him that, and to him it hasn't worked out. Even if it's because they couldn't get rid of the undead, to him it doesn't matter.

Promising to find his daughter, though?  From Morrigan's view, that's problematic for two reasons.  First, it's a distraction from a distraction.  We're already wasting time trying to save this little village, and now we're going to waste more time just to improve our chances?  Second, it's a promise.  I don't think the concept of a "promise" sits well with Morrigan, and that's probably especially true when your ability to live up to that promise is quite limited by factors beyond your control.


What is Morrigan going to feel bad if you don't keep your promise?
His daughter's in the castle, you're going to the castle, there's a good chance you'll come across her alive or death.
And there are worse things than having a talented blacksmith (repairs a whole militia's gear to an effective grade in one day, while drunk) owe you one.

She's anti-love!


Clearly, though that crosses over into the territory of being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.

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The second she joined my group, she was a keeper. She is one of the few characters in the game who always have something funny to say. Especially when coupled with certain characters like Leiliana or Wynne. Those random conversations are sometimes hysterical.



While she disapproved here and there on some of the decisions I made, she is still quite useful. Her great backstory are also very interesting.

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The Angry One wrote...

Castles are designed to withstand prolonged sieges, that's the whole point of a castle. I doubt it'd be that simple.


Fair enough.  That's why I moved on to assuming that we couldn't destroy the gate.  :)

The Angry One wrote...

I believe Teagan hints that he may be able to help enter the castle afterwards.
Besides, isn't it better to have Eamon's own brother on your side and grateful to you?


Why?  Who cares about Teagan?  He's not the Arl and he's not capable of raising us an army or inspiring the people against our common enemies.  If he can help us, then he better help us.  Why should we have to save this little village first?  It's not even his village!  He's just there because he has to be!

Can't we just poke him with a sword a few times to get his help?  I'm sure he'd rather tell us how to get into the castle than die.  Right?  That's much faster than waiting an entire day to save some worthless village and putting our own lives at risk to do it, no less.

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Without his daughter he has nothing to live for, his own words.

They already promised him that, and to him it hasn't worked out. Even if it's because they couldn't get rid of the undead, to him it doesn't matter.


If we're going to save the village (and we shouldn't be!), then let's just save it and get it all over with.  We don't need to be wasting our time with some drunk blacksmith!  If he's not going to help, **** him.  We'll do it ourselves.  We don't have time to hunt down his daughter in a castle full of undead!  If we run into her, fine, but we're not going out of our way to find her!

The Angry One...

Clearly, though that crosses over into the territory of being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.


Love is a weakness.  Being attached to someone to the point that you begin to do things you wouldn't otherwise do, potentially putting yourself in danger, is a weakness.  Of course we should prevent love when we can!  These people need to be thinking rationally when the world is in danger!  Right?

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onemangang wrote...

The second she joined my group, she was a keeper. She is one of the few characters in the game who always have something funny to say. Especially when coupled with certain characters like Leiliana or Wynne. Those random conversations are sometimes hysterical.

While she disapproved here and there on some of the decisions I made, she is still quite useful. Her great backstory are also very interesting.


Try Morrigan, Allistair, and Leliana together.  The three of them are just hilarious!

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Morrigan isn't my problem. I can't seem to keep Alistar happy.