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[Alex Savchovsky]

The Angry One wrote...

Castles are designed to withstand prolonged sieges, that's the whole point of a castle. I doubt it'd be that simple.

You can hardly lay a prolonged siege on a castle with 4 warriors. You could find a way to sneak in, however, especially if the castle guardians do not see a besieging army at the doors. Instead of, say, confront the army that is marching out of that very same castle. 
So, entirely "in-character", the only valid reason to stay at the village is the compassion for the poor villagers -  since the characters do not know anything about main story quests, secret passages, signet rings, etc. And remember that compassion is a product of society - which Morrigan ultimately lacked.

[Seifz]

Big Bad Mojo wrote...

Morrigan isn't my problem. I can't seem to keep Alistar happy.

He's easy.  Just say nice things to him and don't do anything mean to anyone, ever.

[Dark83]

Tristera wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Sten is weird.  I got +12 for getting frustrated at him.

Tell me about it; I got +8 after he said something like 'So why is a woman [my PC] a warrior?' to which I replied 'I don't think the darkspawn care who kills them.'  Then he says something like 'we're wasting time here' and I said 'I couldn't agree more.'

Conversation end, +8.  ...the hell? lol

You just have to be firm, confident, and put him in his place. He approves of that.

Also, since the Grey Wardens are being touted as evil and king-killers, you really should be on a protracted PR campaign while gathering allies.

[Skellimancer]

Every Morrigan whine in cutscenes should have a "Slap the **** stupid" option.

[Nightfish103]

Oh god have I read "Morrigan disapproves..." a lot -.- Seriously, if she got her way it'd be pretty much me and her against the blight, then she'd blame me for failing. Well, she'd probably take Alistair along because she needs someone else to diss. But she'd still complain about my inability to raise an army, I'm quite sure.



To me she's the character in DA:O that makes the least sense to me and the only one I will always boot from my party from now on. My "good" characters cannot work with her, and my "self-serving" characters can't work with her either.



I get that she's supposed to be contrary and what not, but she just doesn't make sense most of the time. It's like she can't think more than 3 minutes ahead. There are a few other things in the game that make little sense (vs a lot of things that make perfect sense, don't get me wrong there)

but Morrigan... just... no. No, no, no, no.



At times she has fun dialoge, no argument there. But a lot of her disapproving is just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. It get's even more ridiculous near the end when it turns out she has a pretty good reason for wanting to be on my good side and for wanting the blight to end. That pretty much nailed it for me. How can she be so stupid to constantly go out of her way to ****** me off when she knew full well she'd require my goodwill in the end?

[thegreateski]

Nightfish103 wrote...

Oh god have I read "Morrigan disapproves..." a lot -.- Seriously, if she got her way it'd be pretty much me and her against the blight, then she'd blame me for failing. Well, she'd probably take Alistair along because she needs someone else to diss. But she'd still complain about my inability to raise an army, I'm quite sure.

To me she's the character in DA:O that makes the least sense to me and the only one I will always boot from my party from now on. My "good" characters cannot work with her, and my "self-serving" characters can't work with her either.

I get that she's supposed to be contrary and what not, but she just doesn't make sense most of the time. It's like she can't think more than 3 minutes ahead. There are a few other things in the game that make little sense (vs a lot of things that make perfect sense, don't get me wrong there)
but Morrigan... just... no. No, no, no, no.

At times she has fun dialoge, no argument there. But a lot of her disapproving is just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. It get's even more ridiculous near the end when it turns out she has a pretty good reason for wanting to be on my good side and for wanting the blight to end. That pretty much nailed it for me. How can she be so stupid to constantly go out of her way to ****** me off when she knew full well she'd require my goodwill in the end?

She must be a Republican.

[thisisme8]

Nightfish103 wrote...

At times she has fun dialoge, no argument there. But a lot of her disapproving is just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. It get's even more ridiculous near the end when it turns out she has a pretty good reason for wanting to be on my good side and for wanting the blight to end. That pretty much nailed it for me. How can she be so stupid to constantly go out of her way to ****** me off when she knew full well she'd require my goodwill in the end?

Let's see, fun at times but disapproves and argues just for the sake of arguing... wait, are you talking about Morrigan or women in general?

Modifié par thisisme8, 25 novembre 2009 - 09:58 .

[Sakiradesu]

Nightfish103 wrote...

Oh god have I read "Morrigan disapproves..." a lot -.- Seriously, if she got her way it'd be pretty much me and her against the blight, then she'd blame me for failing. Well, she'd probably take Alistair along because she needs someone else to diss. But she'd still complain about my inability to raise an army, I'm quite sure.

To me she's the character in DA:O that makes the least sense to me and the only one I will always boot from my party from now on. My "good" characters cannot work with her, and my "self-serving" characters can't work with her either.

I get that she's supposed to be contrary and what not, but she just doesn't make sense most of the time. It's like she can't think more than 3 minutes ahead. There are a few other things in the game that make little sense (vs a lot of things that make perfect sense, don't get me wrong there)
but Morrigan... just... no. No, no, no, no.

At times she has fun dialoge, no argument there. But a lot of her disapproving is just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. It get's even more ridiculous near the end when it turns out she has a pretty good reason for wanting to be on my good side and for wanting the blight to end. That pretty much nailed it for me. How can she be so stupid to constantly go out of her way to ****** me off when she knew full well she'd require my goodwill in the end?

My first game had Alistair, Leliana, and Morrigan. I just made all decisions that would make Morrigan happy. Alistair doesn't care a lot of the time, unless you do truly evil things. Leliana, while being good, does not do so well with morally grey areas.

The longer you talk to an NPC, the more options you get. If an option seems evil at first, you can choose neutral questions and answers to prolong the conversation. They'll then start leading into morally grey areas where Leliana won't know what to do.

As long as you choose the practical options and don't go out of your way to be good for little or no reward, Morrigan will be happy. She's very sensitive to your answers. Two answers might seem to be the same thing, but how you word your responses matters.

At the end, I had all of them at 100 with excess gifts. Definitely doable.

[Seifz]

Sakiradesu wrote...

Nightfish103 wrote...

Oh god have I read "Morrigan disapproves..." a lot -.- Seriously, if she got her way it'd be pretty much me and her against the blight, then she'd blame me for failing. Well, she'd probably take Alistair along because she needs someone else to diss. But she'd still complain about my inability to raise an army, I'm quite sure.

To me she's the character in DA:O that makes the least sense to me and the only one I will always boot from my party from now on. My "good" characters cannot work with her, and my "self-serving" characters can't work with her either.

I get that she's supposed to be contrary and what not, but she just doesn't make sense most of the time. It's like she can't think more than 3 minutes ahead. There are a few other things in the game that make little sense (vs a lot of things that make perfect sense, don't get me wrong there)
but Morrigan... just... no. No, no, no, no.

At times she has fun dialoge, no argument there. But a lot of her disapproving is just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. It get's even more ridiculous near the end when it turns out she has a pretty good reason for wanting to be on my good side and for wanting the blight to end. That pretty much nailed it for me. How can she be so stupid to constantly go out of her way to ****** me off when she knew full well she'd require my goodwill in the end?

My first game had Alistair, Leliana, and Morrigan. I just made all decisions that would make Morrigan happy. Alistair doesn't care a lot of the time, unless you do truly evil things. Leliana, while being good, does not do so well with morally grey areas.

The longer you talk to an NPC, the more options you get. If an option seems evil at first, you can choose neutral questions and answers to prolong the conversation. They'll then start leading into morally grey areas where Leliana won't know what to do.

As long as you choose the practical options and don't go out of your way to be good for little or no reward, Morrigan will be happy. She's very sensitive to your answers. Two answers might seem to be the same thing, but how you word your responses matters.

At the end, I had all of them at 100 with excess gifts. Definitely doable.

They also seem more "forgiving" when you have them all at 100 (Love/Friendly).  I've chosen a number of dialogue options that I thought one of them would object to, and sometimes they've even voiced objections, but I don't seem to lose their approval nearly as often.  Hardly at all, actually.  I wonder if that's just a trick of my imagination, though.

[Laurelinde]

I stopped taking Morrigan after awhile (once I got Wynne, mainly) because she managed to die a lot and disapproved of seemingly everything I said or did.  I got her approval up into the 90s with copious gifts (the lil' golddigger)  but she started driving me too nuts to keep around.  It was just easier to keep Wynne, Alistair and Shale/Leliana/Dog happy and sweet-talk Morrigan at camp.  Which was a shame, since I love Claudia Black and had hoped she would be my favourite NPC.  C'est la vie.

[JamesX]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
And remember that compassion is a product of society - which Morrigan ultimately lacked.

>.>

Modifié par JamesX, 25 novembre 2009 - 10:27 .

[irinotecan]

I''m having no troubles keeping Morrigan and Sten happy. Sten has 2 rules it seems to approving: Don't probe when he gives you a curt answer, and give him either sarcastic responses to his curt answers ("So what were you doing in that cage?" "Sitting, mostly" "Very funny" "Thank You!" +5) or acceptance ("When will you return home?" "Never" "Then you can stay with us" "Thank You!" +12)



Morrigan was real easy to get in the sack. Your responses are all about her. Agree with her viewpoints. Tell her she is useful. "Libertarian" type responses to quests, such as letting the ripoff merchant stay in Lotharian and running off the people annoyed with him gouging them get's you a +2 approval for instance.



Alaister, on the other hand... Man, I feel for your loss, buddy. Hey I want to join you when you have that rememberence for Duncan when all this is done "Oh, thanks" +2

[Sakiradesu]

JamesX wrote...

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
And remember that compassion is a product of society - which Morrigan ultimately lacked.

>.>

Maybe the leopard seal was hoping to fatten him up so that she could OM NOM NOM him better.

[Dark83]

My question is, if you help the merchant in Lothering, does he overcharge you?

[eternalnightmare13]

Other then her inital apperance in the game, I don't like her.  I don't really get why others are so fascinated with her.  I find the other party members more interesting. The voice acting is good, and the character design is well done but her character isn't all that interesting once you get to know her a bit.

[Alex Savchovsky]

JamesX wrote...

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
And remember that compassion is a product of society - which Morrigan ultimately lacked.

>.>

You'll be amazed probably, but the few examples of compassion in the natural world usually come from social animals that rarely face mortal dangers. Like the sea mammals. See the pattern? If you're forced to fight for survival, then compassion becomes a weakness. What good does a soldier when he tries to help a fallen companion and gets shot too, because he's unable to defend himself while carrying the wounded? What good is it to save a lousy village and a blacksmith's daughter if the delay there means you lose the chances to stop the darkspawn? This is a common (and quite annoying, to be honest) situation in RPGs - hey, I know you're on a quest to save the Universe, but could you please clean the rats from my cellar first? It's kind of refreshing to see a character disapprove on that, really. Game-developer irony, which I appreciate, being a game-developer myself.

[Nightfish103]

I'm not saying it's not possible to keep her happy, that's not my problem. You can keep each of them happy as long as you tell them what they want to hear and give them a few gifts. (who says friendship can't be bought? Ha!) My issue with Morrigan is that she sort of undermines her own goals by being such a ****.



As I said, especially since she has her own reason for wanting me to succeed, you'd think she'd be a little more interested in making it happen. And there's also the thing of her needing my approval for her schemes. So if anything she should try to get along with me, not be an utter **** all the time. It's pretty much common sense that you don't go out of your way to ****** off people you will need to ask for favors. And she isn't stupid enough to not see that coming.



So yea, to me her character doesn't make sense. But each to his own. I guess her "hawtness" makes up for a lot to some people.

[Gecon]

Nightfish103 wrote...
[...] How can she be so stupid to constantly go out of her way to ****** me off when she knew full well she'd require my goodwill in the end?

Well ... this is not D&D, therefore Wizards no longer need a high Int stat to function properly.
Means some of them are nothing short of stupid now.

[Jayce]

Nightfish103 wrote...

I'm not saying it's not possible to keep her happy, that's not my problem. You can keep each of them happy as long as you tell them what they want to hear and give them a few gifts. (who says friendship can't be bought? Ha!) My issue with Morrigan is that she sort of undermines her own goals by being such a ****.

Real people do that all the time. My last Boss being a perfect example.

Morrigan is not that complicated if you know what the driving forces of her personality are. She's vein, egotistical, selfish, self reliant and ruthlessly pragmatical. Her pragmatism makes anything that to her, seems unecessesary, infuriating. Gheyna and Cammen being a good example.

To Morrigan, Gheyna is a fool for playing hard to get and not taking what she wants. If the player hops into bed with Cammen, it serves Gheyna right for messing around. [+Approval]. In the same way, she also finds romance with the player infuriating, as her own feelings start contradicting what she's been brought up to believe. She starts to blow hot and cold, cause she's just as confused and contradicted as the player is.... I suspect I'm not the only man here who has had a girlfriend who would sometimes get mad no matter what you said or did.

Outside of the wilds, she's also naive. Her advice at the start of Lothering is another good example. The pragmatist in her says lets just go kill Loghain. That it's Alastair, the guy who she looks down on, who sarcastically points out how moronic this is, puts her back up.

So in adition to everything I mentioned before, she's also illogical, hypocritical and contradictory.... quite like most real people.

I think it's about time a game had a character who has enough personality of their own, that sometimes, you just can't win.

Modifié par Jayce F, 26 novembre 2009 - 10:17 .