"We share the same DNA but just not the same birthday."
Okay, Miranda, I'll buy that. There's no reason that twin embryos couldn't be separated and one frozen to be born later, and it might even be possible with current technology. But how come Miranda and Oriana don't still look alike? Same DNA means identical twins, yes? So Oriana should look like a 10ish years younger Miranda.
Hair style and colour can be different, sure, but the faces aren't the faces of twins. Is there an in game or maybe even in universe explanation or is it just a plain slip up on the part of BioWare for not making Orianda look more like Miranda? Personally I'd like to believe that there's something fishy about it and Miranda's lying by omission again, just like she didn't mention about the age difference until circumstances forced her to, and my Shepard is so sick of Miranda and her issues that she's just not even going to ask.
No, I don't like Miranda much - does it show? Though I do like her voice and wished they'd used the actress to record Shep's dialogue too just so there could have been an Aussie Shepard option.
Miranda and Oriana
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PsiFive
, févr. 29 2012 10:55
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Posté 29 février 2012 - 11:23
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I don't think she's lying. Probably Oriana got some genetical modifications Miranda didn't get. And remember that even between identical twins there can be very noticable facial differences. And age and living circumstances can change your face to a great deal. Maybe Miranda even got some operations at a certain age, that Oriana were spared because Miranda was already away from her father.
I think there are plenty of reasons to explain why they don't look identical. And maybe "twin" just is a simplification for "we were cloned from the same genetical material that was modified afterwards".
I think there are plenty of reasons to explain why they don't look identical. And maybe "twin" just is a simplification for "we were cloned from the same genetical material that was modified afterwards".
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 02:32
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Clones don't look precisely alike--see, for example, the cloned cat CC (Carbon Copy), who has drastically different patterning than Rainbow, the cat she's a clone of. This is because there's a certain amount of randomization in genes in a fertilized egg. So there would be some subtle differences even before you get into the potential of their father messing around with Oriana's genes further.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 04:09
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Fellas, please. Stop taking away my reasons to hate Miranda with your calm logic. 
Yeah, true that identical twins can sometimes look different, but usually it's not that obvious until they've lived long enough for physical differences to come about, which means way past late teens. Except for mirror image twins, but that doesn't look like the case here. They look like they could be sisters but that's about it.
Same DNA but which is then modified differently? Yeah, okay, I could fit that into my mental world view of ME because that would mean that Miranda was still being less than entirely candid. But why would Old Man Lawson do that if Miranda was the finished version of the child he wanted? Remember she said she wasn't the first but just the first her father kept, which makes it sound an emprical process. If so then having done all the work necessary to create Miranda surely he'd just kind of run off another copy - the heir and the spare as they say about the royal family, except this way the spare really would be the same with the possible exception of biotic abilities, which sounds a bit hit and miss.
All of which makes me think of something else. If daughter and dynasty starter #1 does a runner in her teens and then goes on to grab daughter #2 in infancy and pack her off to live with a normal family, did Lawson just give up at that point or is there maybe a daughter #3 who he had created after Oriana disappeared and who Miranda doesn't know about? Maybe even a #4? If she's right about him I'd think there probably is.
Yeah, true that identical twins can sometimes look different, but usually it's not that obvious until they've lived long enough for physical differences to come about, which means way past late teens. Except for mirror image twins, but that doesn't look like the case here. They look like they could be sisters but that's about it.
Same DNA but which is then modified differently? Yeah, okay, I could fit that into my mental world view of ME because that would mean that Miranda was still being less than entirely candid. But why would Old Man Lawson do that if Miranda was the finished version of the child he wanted? Remember she said she wasn't the first but just the first her father kept, which makes it sound an emprical process. If so then having done all the work necessary to create Miranda surely he'd just kind of run off another copy - the heir and the spare as they say about the royal family, except this way the spare really would be the same with the possible exception of biotic abilities, which sounds a bit hit and miss.
All of which makes me think of something else. If daughter and dynasty starter #1 does a runner in her teens and then goes on to grab daughter #2 in infancy and pack her off to live with a normal family, did Lawson just give up at that point or is there maybe a daughter #3 who he had created after Oriana disappeared and who Miranda doesn't know about? Maybe even a #4? If she's right about him I'd think there probably is.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:09
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If you read the SB Dossiers you find out that it seems Old Man Lawson didn't get Miranda quite right, so I could see him making alterations with Oriana in an attempt to rectify the error. This could account for the different appearance. Still I was thinking the same thing, for twins they don`t really look alike.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 09:03
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Swenson got it right.
You can understand the DNA as a building plan.
2 Arms, each that long for example. The DNA does not say, where every little freckle is positioned.
Look at a pair of monozygotic twins closely. They look veeeery similar, but not exactly alike and they ARE clones of each other.
You can understand the DNA as a building plan.
2 Arms, each that long for example. The DNA does not say, where every little freckle is positioned.
Look at a pair of monozygotic twins closely. They look veeeery similar, but not exactly alike and they ARE clones of each other.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 11:14
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WarChicken78 wrote...
Swenson got it right.
You can understand the DNA as a building plan.
2 Arms, each that long for example. The DNA does not say, where every little freckle is positioned.
Look at a pair of monozygotic twins closely. They look veeeery similar, but not exactly alike and they ARE clones of each other.
That's kind of my point. Yes, DNA doesn't say where each freckle goes - that's an environmental response to sunlight and you could easily get one freckly and one fairly unfreckly twin if they got different amounts of exposure to it. Same as with things like weight, perhaps through different exposure to Timtams, and maybe even height to a limited extent. And like I said before this is something that increases as twins get older. A pair of twin girls who I've known since we were all kids are easily distinguished now but well into their teens they were incredibly difficult to separate. In your words, veeeeery similar but not exactly alike anymore. But Miranda and Oriana? Well, they shouldn't be exactly alike because one is... what? Twelve or fifteen years older? But for genetically identical people Oriana should look veeeery similar to Miranda at 19. Not just sister similar but monozygotic twin similar.
Maybe DPSSOC's found the reason, but I haven't done LotSB yet so I've not read the dossiers and have resisted the temptation to peek online. Still, seems odd to claim genetic identicality with someone whose genes merely started off the same before their mad dad decided he still wasn't quite happy with the shape of her nose or whatever.
