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[RunAwayItzJack]

So since Bioware doesn't seem to be listening to the fanbase it has so painstakingly grown...

I have a new angle.
 

[Hyrist]

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings. Play the game, make your judgement calls after beating it a few times.

[Xaijin]

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings. Play the game, make your judgement calls after beating it a few times.

Umm no. I'm not going to replay a game where consequences are truncated by necessity (design or otherwise). Once is enough, especially if the future of the tale can't be retold or furthered.

Modifié par Xaijin, 01 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

[wright1978]

Xaijin wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings. Play the game, make your judgement calls after beating it a few times.

Umm no. I'm not going to replay a game where consequences are truncated by necessity (design or otherwise). Once is enough, especially if the future of the tale can't be retold or furthered.

Yep, won't be playing more than once if the lack of real diversity in the endings is accurate.

[AlphaJarmel]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

They're taking the lesser is more approach in regards to fans.

[Hyrist]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

They're taking the lesser is more approach in regards to fans.

Though that was sarcastic, think of it this way:

The wider the base, the broader appeal you must appease.

I've noticed the trend that the wider the fanbase, the greater the expressed hate, regardless of what a company does.

Yet smallter titles such as Minecraft get cult appeal with little lashback.

I'd hate to turn your sarcasim around on you, but less is more peaceful at the very least.

[LilyasAvalon]

I like how nobody says anything about the poor dog.

[Prom001]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I like how nobody says anything about the poor dog.

kill it so ican eat it! ;-)

[The_Crazy_Hand]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I like how nobody says anything about the poor dog.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it died pointlessly, Bioware says they are listening to us, but are very bad at showing it sometimes.

Time, ultimately, will tell.

[Hyrist]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I like how nobody says anything about the poor dog.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it died pointlessly, Bioware says they are listening to us, but are very bad at showing it sometimes.

Time, ultimately, will tell.

Listening =/= Obeying.

It's a breach in logic in thinking that 'listening' means that they must do what you request of them.  They can listen to the cries all you want, and still chose to do nothing about it. 

Honestly, they likely will not do anything, even so much as a statment, until players buy and large have had a chance to play the game through and give a full feedback. Many will likely backtrack their initial knee-jerk reactions.

I predict many "I still don't like that I didn't get 'my' personal ending, but..." statments in the future.

[Unit-Alpha]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

DA2 was reasonable. This is outright bad and kills the franchise. Sales are going to be worse than DA2 once you get past launch.

[DXLelouch15]

theres a loophole you can use to save Garrus and Tali btw so its not all bad then just Joker and the rest of the crew are screwed

[shepard1038]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

DA2 was reasonable. This is outright bad and kills the franchise. Sales are going to be worse than DA2 once you get past launch.

Me3 wil sell more than Da2 and me2.

[shepard1038]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

theres a loophole you can use to save Garrus and Tali btw so its not all bad then just Joker and the rest of the crew are screwed

What loophole?

[ratzerman]

shepard1038 wrote...

DXLelouch15 wrote...

theres a loophole you can use to save Garrus and Tali btw so its not all bad then just Joker and the rest of the crew are screwed

What loophole?

Never recruiting them in ME1?

Letting them die with honor in ME2?

[RiouHotaru]

Hyrist wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I like how nobody says anything about the poor dog.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it died pointlessly, Bioware says they are listening to us, but are very bad at showing it sometimes.

Time, ultimately, will tell.

Listening =/= Obeying.

It's a breach in logic in thinking that 'listening' means that they must do what you request of them.  They can listen to the cries all you want, and still chose to do nothing about it. 

Honestly, they likely will not do anything, even so much as a statment, until players buy and large have had a chance to play the game through and give a full feedback. Many will likely backtrack their initial knee-jerk reactions.

I predict many "I still don't like that I didn't get 'my' personal ending, but..." statments in the future.

This.  I actually got over my initial freak-out the other evening.  I realize that we have no context.  And just like the script, we're looking at words on paper without any idea what they mean.

[J-Reyno]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

DA2 was reasonable. This is outright bad and kills the franchise. Sales are going to be worse than DA2 once you get past launch.

Ha, launch sales will probably surpass DA2 entirely.

I think they know this and probably just don't care anymore.

[DXLelouch15]

you dont have to recruit Tali or Garrus and therefore after the best ending where Shep is alive he can reunite with them =P but the other LI are screwed sorry(know for sure you dont have to recruit Tali dont know bout Garrus)

Modifié par DXLelouch15, 01 mars 2012 - 12:41 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Hyrist wrote...

Listening =/= Obeying.

It's a breach in logic in thinking that 'listening' means that they must do what you request of them.  They can listen to the cries all you want, and still chose to do nothing about it. 

Honestly, they likely will not do anything, even so much as a statment, until players buy and large have had a chance to play the game through and give a full feedback. Many will likely backtrack their initial knee-jerk reactions.

I predict many "I still don't like that I didn't get 'my' personal ending, but..." statments in the future.

You have a point, however, that doesn't excuse their reaction in trying to shut us up and threaten bans.  If they had posted a topic saying "look, calm down, play through, and then judge, you may find it better with a little context", yeah, I'd be significantly more sympathetic.  And I don't mean to imply listening = obeying, it certainly doesn't equal "shut the **** up and behave" either though.

[shepard1038]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

you dont have to recruit Tali or Garrus and therefore after the best ending where Shep is alive he can reunite with them =P but the other LI are screwed sorry(know for sure you dont have to recruit Tali dont know bout Garrus)

You can do this:
 Make a save where she is as a war assets and play it before the final battle and one where she is on the Normandy and romanced and stop it before the final battle and play the one where she is a war asset. So that it seems she is with me on earth after the final Battle.

[Sporothrix]

Hyrist wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I like how nobody says anything about the poor dog.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it died pointlessly, Bioware says they are listening to us, but are very bad at showing it sometimes.

Time, ultimately, will tell.

Listening =/= Obeying.

It's a breach in logic in thinking that 'listening' means that they must do what you request of them.  They can listen to the cries all you want, and still chose to do nothing about it. 

Honestly, they likely will not do anything, even so much as a statment, until players buy and large have had a chance to play the game through and give a full feedback. Many will likely backtrack their initial knee-jerk reactions.

I predict many "I still don't like that I didn't get 'my' personal ending, but..." statments in the future.

Hey, it's funny you want them to look like allmighty gods who don't care about mere mortals (players), apparently just to ****** people off, but the truth is they are only a company. ****** off customers, no more money. That's capitalism, it's that simple. And that's not small thing as you try to draw it. Those endings are total disaster and I suspect the reason for them is just that they don't understand their fanbase at all which they showed many times. Always just reactionary. I can't even imagine how my reaction would be if I would found it out after buying and playing for a long time just to achieve "a best" ending. 

I already decided I won't buy this game till it will drop hugely in price. If they won't fix the ending, the outcome will be similar as with DA2. Almost no one buying DLC's and this time fans for good will turn their backs on bioware.
So keep wishing it will turn out your way, but everything suggests otherwise.

[Crimsanity]

Reyno411 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

DA2 was reasonable. This is outright bad and kills the franchise. Sales are going to be worse than DA2 once you get past launch.

Ha, launch sales will probably surpass DA2 entirely.

I think they know this and probably just don't care anymore.

Everyone is ignoring the critical "once you get past launch" part of the post. Post-launch, sales are going to fall through the floor, worse than DA2's did, is what is being said.

[Carnage752]

Crimsanity wrote...

Reyno411 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

DA2 was reasonable. This is outright bad and kills the franchise. Sales are going to be worse than DA2 once you get past launch.

Ha, launch sales will probably surpass DA2 entirely.

I think they know this and probably just don't care anymore.

Everyone is ignoring the critical "once you get past launch" part of the post. Post-launch, sales are going to fall through the floor, worse than DA2's did, is what is being said.

Actually, no. Despite the crappy ending, the game itself will still likely turn out good. New fans won't care about the ending, but they will love the combat/Alien sex/Explosions. The only sales gone will be those who had expectations for the ending.

So in the end, Bioware still makes a bunch of money despite that sorry excuse for endings, and produce more games till they inevitably die. I'm still hoping against all logic that those arn't all the endings.

[shepard1038]

Crimsanity wrote...

Reyno411 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

I think Bioware can afford to shed a few fans for these endings.

They seems to take that approach to DA2 and sales stated otherwise.

DA2 was reasonable. This is outright bad and kills the franchise. Sales are going to be worse than DA2 once you get past launch.

Ha, launch sales will probably surpass DA2 entirely.

I think they know this and probably just don't care anymore.

Everyone is ignoring the critical "once you get past launch" part of the post. Post-launch, sales are going to fall through the floor, worse than DA2's did, is what is being said.

Me3 sales are not going to fall post launch.