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[WizenSlinky0]

Jackumzz wrote...

then that's simply acting like a stubborn child and bioware should feel no loss were you not to buy the game. you can't always get what you want and being that resistant is just childish. "no matter what else happens, if the normandy crashes, i don't like it"? really? the ending was the only reason you ever played the mass effect series then? it wasn't, you know, the actual playing of the game or anything?

the number of people i've seen on here making themselves look like ten year olds lately is insane.

Look, there's no reason to be so insulting about it. I really do hope everyone enjoys the game and Bioware does well with it. I'm not the type to go on a warpath about these things.

Yes, the ending is the only reason I play ANY game. The journey is irrelevent to me if the ending is unsatisfying. Some people find the journey to be worth more. Good for them, but for whatever reason I am incapable of seeing it like that. As it stands the send-off is just so pointless, arbitrary, and depressing that I won't be able to stomach playing through the game more than once. Did I enjoy the games? Yes, they have been fun. But all of that for me becomes invalidated when the ending is unsatisfying because at the end of the day I paid to see a story and a story needs a satisfying ending.

I'm glad if people like or at least tolerate what they do to the normandy. But as for me, I just can't bring myself to see it as a worthy send-off to the time I've invested. I'm buying the game. Nor do I hold any delusions that not buying it would affect Bioware in the least.

But no, no you feel free to insult me further if you'd like. It doesn't really matter.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 01 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Jackumzz wrote...

i apologise if i came across as a d**k. offense was not intended. i was just making a point of how quick a lot of people on here are to judge something they haven't played. we hardly have every detail of the endings or even the final portion of the game, so unless you only ever played the games solely for the ending, i don't understand how you can believe this extent of bashing of bioware and me3 is at all justified. it's borderline ridiculous how some of the people on here are acting.

either way, if you genuinely only care for the ending and you're this unwilling to accept anything else, i guess, complain away. i always thought the point of a game was to, well, enjoy the game, not get the ending you wanted. but ok, if that's what floats your boat, i won't judge.

Sorry if I was offended unecessarily. Your language just tends to contain some vitriol. I don't think the bashing is justified. I think criticism is fair against anything so long as it's civil, and I don't believe being unsatisfied is the same as bashing. I don't blame bioware if I dislike the game, why should I? It's depressing sure but in the end they couldn't have pleased everybody. This will just be the first time I'm on the side that isn't pleased when it comes to Bioware. They genuinely have a fairly good track record with me. In fact, I'll probably still buy their next game.

I do play some games for just the gameplay or to enjoy them. It depends on the type of game. But games this heavy in story and character I very much play for the endings. I became invested and it just so happens this time around it isn't looking like my investment will be returned in full. It's unfortunate for me but nothing worth getting angry about. Though I can't help it if I'm a bit...down about it for a bit.

Regardless, I'll play through and see for myself. An ending is still an ending and I should end the triolgy one way or another. But I really can't imagine anyway they could execute the normandy scene that could satisfy me and I'm usually pretty good at knowing what I'll enjoy/won't.

[ZDPhoenix]

DifferentD17 wrote...

So are we? Or are you just going to close every thread that asks for one?

I can only assume these endings are re-

*locked*

They're just going to keep locking threads. I'm honestly surprised that the neighborhood Volus hasn't already done so here; like the dozen others I've seen today.

It seems like this is what gaming companies do nowadays, when their decisions are met with unfavorable reactions from their customers/fans/etc. No more listening to the consumer AND trying to appease them. I know for a fact that they listen, but Bioware is not the type of company that will take user feedback seriously. The Old Republic's WoW-ness is an example of that.

I'm beyond cynical about it now. But when you see nothing but locked threads and completely false advertisment about the endings; one can't help it.

Maybe the hip thing now is "Ignore it, because they're going to buy it anyways".

[xtorma]

Jackumzz wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Jackumzz wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

Jackumzz wrote...

like i said, experiencing it and reading about it/seeing snippets of it are very different things. just playing it yourself and seeing it all happen in front of you could change your mind about it. that's why i find a lot of this complaining unnecessary. at least wait until you play it. give it a chance. if you still don't like it? come here and create all of the negative threads you want.

The problem is that you can only play it if you've bought it, and for some people, the endings are the deal breaker. I'm pretty sure you can't return a game you've completed just because you despise the ending. The better thing for people to do would be to not buy the game until it's been 100% confirmed that these leaked endings are, in fact, real.

fair enough. i personally find that quite narrow-minded, though. it's like saying you hate a food you've never tried. reading about it =/= experiencing it. but if people are genuinely like that, that's their prerogative.

Well if I don't like fish and we're all having tuna sandwiches, Yeah I'll pass.

so you played both previous games and disliked them?

they would be the appropriate substitutes for your analogy, after all. if you happened to like the previous games, which i'm assuming you did considering you're still around, i fail to see why this game would be different. again, it's being premature and narrow-minded to claim to know you don't like the ending to the game when you haven't played it. it also doesn't warrant the extent of whining that's going on on the forums right now.

choice.

[T1l]

Nyaore wrote...

Nope. Company policy seems to be to say nothing to be honest. Happened when people started complaining about DA2 right before release as well.

This. There was a feedback blackout for a long, long time with Dragon Age 2 - as there was with some of the DLC debarcle with Origins. Bioware's general stance when the proverbial hits the fan is to say nothing. I assume they sit back for a while, assess the situation and then make an educated non-inflamatory response designed to placate.

I wouldn't expect a reply. I mean, what do you want anyone from Bioware to say, anyway? There's nothing they can do at this point. It's done.

[Elite Midget]

Bekkael wrote...

To what? If you are expecting an official comment on the story ending, on a game that is not yet released, there isn't a single chance in hell that that will happen.

Sorry.

It's only 6 more days. Or 5, if you are going to a midnight release.

All they have to do is say the leaks are false if they are indeed false. Biowares relunctance to do that only serves to worry many fans that the leaks are true.

[WizenSlinky0]

Jackumzz wrote...

well if it helps, my response was not directed specifically at you for a part, so much as at the large quantity of people complaining excessively across the board recently.

i also completely understand disappointment with the endings. everyone is allowed to express their opinions, definitely. but there's also a difference between expressing your opinion and chucking a tantrum like a child. at the least, i'd expect people to wait until they played it themselves to go this far. post in a thread saying you're upset with the game's conclusion based on the information you have? sure, go for it. post in every second thread even remotely relevant to the ending spurting your hate and directly insulting bioware and devs? no, grow up.

none of the above is directed at you, just to clarify. just those who fit the criteria.

Indeed. It's never worth insulting people but I suppose we all need to vent sometimes. Would be nice if some could find healthier ways to do it.

But if you think it's bad now, things are only bubbling under the surface at the moment. My intuition tells me these forums are going to get really bad really fast.

The darkness looms! FLEE WITH YOUR CHILDREN! Or without them, if they'll slow you down.

[tasca1180]

Well, in all honesty, what do you think they should say?

That the leaks are wrong? That there are more endings? They won't say that because they would be lying if they did.

All they could say at this point is, "You're right, those are the endings. Deal with it."

Obviously, they won't do that, because as long as people have hope, they'll buy the game. Actually confirming that what we know is true would hit sales figures. Easy as that.

[Lunatic LK47]

Jackumzz wrote...

fair enough. i personally find that quite narrow-minded, though. it's like saying you hate a food you've never tried. reading about it =/= experiencing it. but if people are genuinely like that, that's their prerogative.

I knew Modern Warfare 3 was going to suck ever since the Infinity Ward lay-off debacle, and the leaks on Kotaku was at least 80% accurate when I borrowed a copy from a martial arts buddy of mine.

[Scandigeek]

DifferentD17 wrote...

All they have to do is say they aren't real, simple. Or they are real but there are more endings.

Or not, false information can be useful, it throws everyone off.  If some convinced themselves that these are the actual endings, then all the better the surprise when the real endings are revealed to the player. 

For all we know these "leaked" endings could been created for the sole purpose of throwing prying fans off the scent. 

The Simpson Crew pulled such a stunt for the two part "Who Shoot Mr. Burns" episode back in the late 90's.  

Modifié par Scandigeek, 01 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Sashimi_taco]

They would not confirm nor deny the leaked endings because either way would be giving away spoilers.

[GBGriffin]

Scandigeek wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

All they have to do is say they aren't real, simple. Or they are real but there are more endings.

Or not, false information can be useful, it throws everyone off.  If some convinced themselves that these are the actual endings, then all the better the surprise when the real endings are revealed to the player. 

For all we know these "leaked" endings could been created for the sole purpose of throwing prying fans off the scent. 

The Simpson Crew pulled such a stunt for the two part "Who Shoot Mr. Burns" episode back in the late 90's.  

As much as I really want to believe this, I can't. They honestly have a lot more to lose by this strategy than they have to gain with it. IIRC, pre-game buzz generated more sales for ME2....why would they risk generating immense negative fan reaction just to spite pirates/NDA breakers? If this is a stunt, then it's gone horribly, horribly wrong and they should fix it. Even if they do come out after launch with the "Hah! We got you!" approach, I'd say damage has been done and the combination of this, the DLC debacle, the whole GAME pre-order crap...it just doesn't paint a good picture that this is a game, series, or even a company worth trusting.

[Scandigeek]

GBGriffin wrote...

As much as I really want to believe this, I can't. They honestly have a lot more to lose by this strategy than they have to gain with it. IIRC, pre-game buzz generated more sales for ME2....why would they risk generating immense negative fan reaction just to spite pirates/NDA breakers? If this is a stunt, then it's gone horribly, horribly wrong and they should fix it. Even if they do come out after launch with the "Hah! We got you!" approach, I'd say damage has been done and the combination of this, the DLC debacle, the whole GAME pre-order crap...it just doesn't paint a good picture that this is a game, series, or even a company worth trusting.

Are you planning to buy Mass Effect 3?

[shimpt]

GBGriffin wrote...

Scandigeek wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

All they have to do is say they aren't real, simple. Or they are real but there are more endings.

Or not, false information can be useful, it throws everyone off.  If some convinced themselves that these are the actual endings, then all the better the surprise when the real endings are revealed to the player. 

For all we know these "leaked" endings could been created for the sole purpose of throwing prying fans off the scent. 

The Simpson Crew pulled such a stunt for the two part "Who Shoot Mr. Burns" episode back in the late 90's.  

As much as I really want to believe this, I can't. They honestly have a lot more to lose by this strategy than they have to gain with it. IIRC, pre-game buzz generated more sales for ME2....why would they risk generating immense negative fan reaction just to spite pirates/NDA breakers? If this is a stunt, then it's gone horribly, horribly wrong and they should fix it. Even if they do come out after launch with the "Hah! We got you!" approach, I'd say damage has been done and the combination of this, the DLC debacle, the whole GAME pre-order crap...it just doesn't paint a good picture that this is a game, series, or even a company worth trusting.

Everyone who has gone on the forums and gotten pissed of is the vocal minority so you could spite the pirates and NDA breakers and not hurt anything I for one would be glad to see it

[xtorma]

Jackumzz wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Jackumzz wrote...

fair enough. i personally find that quite narrow-minded, though. it's like saying you hate a food you've never tried. reading about it =/= experiencing it. but if people are genuinely like that, that's their prerogative.

I knew Modern Warfare 3 was going to suck ever since the Infinity Ward lay-off debacle, and the leaks on Kotaku was at least 80% accurate when I borrowed a copy from a martial arts buddy of mine.

that would mean you "believed correctly".

you wouldn't have known until you played it yourself and confirmed said beliefs.

we all knew pintos blow up if they get rammed in the ass end, but since i have never experienced it myself, let me go out and buy one, so i can take the chance of buring to death if i get rear ended.

[GBGriffin]

Scandigeek wrote...

Are you planning to buy Mass Effect 3?

Yep. My CE is paid off and I have no plans to cancel it. It's still a fun game to play, and while I'm not thrilled with the outcome, I still think I'll enjoy it. Even Xoisite admits that it's still worth playing.

DifferentD17 wrote...

Everyone who has gone on the forums and gotten pissed of is the vocal minority so you could spite the pirates and NDA breakers and not hurt anything I for one would be glad to see it

You do realize that this is now spreading beyond the BSN forums, right? You're also assuming that people who are actively posting are the only ones upset by the news.

From a pure marketing perspective, why would you want people on your own forums, where your fanbase is centered, to be convinced your product is awful? What do you stand to gain from negative pre-release buzz? Why not go the other end and confirm that it's worth buying instead of giving people reason to doubt or cancel their pre-orders? If anything, you would *want* people to leak good things about this game, if you predict leaks will inevitably happen. You would want the pirates to say good things, not openly discourage people from buying the game.

For that matter, why would you reward winners of a contest with an awful product if the prize is a chance to play the full game early? And, actually, just going off of that, why would you manufacture a "lol we got you, pirates!" "space edition" and then go through all of the trouble of launching them only to stick it to the pirates and, ultimately, the contest "winners".

Truth or not, "good" ending or not, this whole exercise was a mistake and, hopefully, one future developers can learn from.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 01 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[Scandigeek]

xtorma wrote...

we all knew pintos blow up if they get rammed in the ass end, but since i have never experienced it myself, let me go out and buy one, so i can take the chance of buring to death if i get rear ended.

Except that we have actual proof that pintos explode.  All we have are endings from a supposed old script that was supposedly leeked two months ago. 

[GBGriffin]

Scandigeek wrote...

xtorma wrote...

we all knew pintos blow up if they get rammed in the ass end, but since i have never experienced it myself, let me go out and buy one, so i can take the chance of buring to death if i get rear ended.

Except that we have actual proof that pintos explode.  All we have are endings from a supposed old script that was supposedly leeked two months ago. 

That's actually not "all we have". It's been data mined to hell now. Check the spoiler discussion group, check other forum sites...there's plenty of "evidence" that this is what you/we will get on the 6th.

[Scandigeek]

GBGriffin wrote...

Scandigeek wrote...

Are you planning to buy Mass Effect 3?

Yep. My CE is paid off and I have no plans to cancel it. It's still a fun game to play, and while I'm not thrilled with the outcome, I still think I'll enjoy it. Even Xoisite admits that it's still worth playing.

Wel then there you go, if its not effecting pre-order sales why would they come out and say the endings are bogus?

[GBGriffin]

Scandigeek wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Scandigeek wrote...

Are you planning to buy Mass Effect 3?

Yep. My CE is paid off and I have no plans to cancel it. It's still a fun game to play, and while I'm not thrilled with the outcome, I still think I'll enjoy it. Even Xoisite admits that it's still worth playing.

Wel then there you go, if its not effecting pre-order sales why would they come out and say the endings are bogus?

So, you're taking the fact I haven't cancelled my pre-order and extrapolating it to mean the sales haven't suffered? Why not take the dozens of posts from people who have/are threatening to cancel and extrapolate them to mean the opposite?

Honestly, even if pre-order sales don't tank, I can't imagine them sustaining good numbers once the "truth" gets out. It's happened before.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 01 mars 2012 - 11:02 .