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[FryPanNN]

Natsunomiko21 wrote...

Just one thing needed to be changed: make the normandy crash on earth.

I don't know who had the idea to make it crash in some backwater planet .... drama for the sake of drama isn't good writing, it's cheap. 

Most people are pissed about that.. normandy being stranded from everyone where forever alones and inbreeding will surely happen.. why? just why?

Shep dying? Fine by me as long it is a choice. Shep living? Fine as well. Play your game however you want, but for those who want their shep to live (me included) being away from everyone and those you love are far worse. 

I can handle the losses, billion people, species.. but not cheap drama. 

Anyone agree?

PS: sorry for any mistakes, english is not my first language.

I agree, absolutely.

[kyg_20X6]

Separating Shepard from the crew is the clincher. It rules out all but the most 'reaching' prologue DLC and it also stops the player from trying to come up with their own (somewhat) 'happy' ending except something incredibly implausible.

[FryPanNN]

SilencedScream wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I don't know the details about how/why the Normandy gets isolated but they still have their mass effect drives, right? Communications systems? Probes? There still have to be various pockets of civilizations and they're remaining fleets. I can't imagine the Normandy to being isolated THAT far from the Sol System or another one in the Local Cluster that they can't be rescued. And I'd imagine, if Shepard lives, that he'd want to go after them.

The problem, as I see it, as that Shepard dies in all but one ending. So that's not really an option. Also closes the door on a prologue DLC where you might be able to play that out. You could even keep it as it is if you just kept Shepard and his crew together. Seems like BioWare made the worst possible choice on endings. Having 1/7 endings with Shepard alive (when it should be the other way around, ala ME2) and have every ending separate the crew from the Shepard, and by extension, the player. And 6/7 endings with Shepard dead complicates any post-campaign DLC options.

Travel to other systems was only largely made possible by the relays. Because they're sent away from the Sol system, it's heavily implied that Shepard will never see them again. So while they may be able to contact nearby planets, they'll most likely never get back to Earth, as that kind of travel is a much longer distance.

Well, remember the omega 4 relay, they traveled from Omega system to the core of the galaxy in what? 3 seconds?

On that ending, we saw Joker traveling for how many seconds? They could be anywhere in the galaxy.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Separating Shepard from the crew is the clincher. It rules out all but the most 'reaching' prologue DLC and it also stops the player from trying to come up with their own (somewhat) 'happy' ending except something incredibly implausible.

I think you meant to say "epilogue"? Since prologue = before the start.
Or you mean a prologue DLC for ME4/MMO.

[kyg_20X6]

SilencedScream wrote...

Travel to other systems was only largely made possible by the relays. Because they're sent away from the Sol system, it's heavily implied that Shepard will never see them again. So while they may be able to contact nearby planets, they'll most likely never get back to Earth, as that kind of travel is a much longer distance.

Made easier, not possible. Reapers gave perfect tech so organic species wouldn't look for their own ways. And the ship has it's own propulsion so I don't get why it couldn't, not very long after the explosion, counter the momentum and turn around and head back. I can't see how an expolision could propel them so far before they regain control that they couldn't return under their own steam in a reasonable time. Not to mention how far comm signals can travel in space (look at current times). They should relatively easily be able to find someone out there, especially if someone is out there and can perhaps trace their trajectory out of the system.

But I digress... no piece of fiction should force its audience to jump through such hypothetical hoops to come up with a pleasing ending.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

kyg_20X6 wrote...
And the ship has it's own propulsion so I don't get why it couldn't, not very long after the explosion, counter the momentum and turn around and head back.

From the videos where the Normandy struggles to escape, once it gets hit, the thrusters are destroyed, so no... doesn't seem likely.

[FryPanNN]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

SilencedScream wrote...

Travel to other systems was only largely made possible by the relays. Because they're sent away from the Sol system, it's heavily implied that Shepard will never see them again. So while they may be able to contact nearby planets, they'll most likely never get back to Earth, as that kind of travel is a much longer distance.

Made easier, not possible. Reapers gave perfect tech so organic species wouldn't look for their own ways. And the ship has it's own propulsion so I don't get why it couldn't, not very long after the explosion, counter the momentum and turn around and head back. I can't see how an expolision could propel them so far before they regain control that they couldn't return under their own steam in a reasonable time. Not to mention how far comm signals can travel in space (look at current times). They should relatively easily be able to find someone out there, especially if someone is out there and can perhaps trace their trajectory out of the system.

But I digress... no piece of fiction should force its audience to jump through such hypothetical hoops to come up with a pleasing ending.

In this case, I can even agree. But make the normandy stops FTL in a planet somewhere, isolated from any other life form is too much.

If Shepard gets separated from his crew, at least let them go to, I don't know, anywhere with people.

Modifié par FryPanNN, 01 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[kyg_20X6]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

From the videos where the Normandy struggles to escape, once it gets hit, the thrusters are destroyed, so no... doesn't seem likely.

In that case they would never slow down until they hit something (or manage to escape in the shuttle, moving at that speed, near a habitable planet... doubtful). Remember the soldier on the citadel talking about weapon rounds in space?

BioWare's really cooked up quite the crock of ****.

[Sargerus]

Natsunomiko21 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

You have my support, Though I would prefer Shep to be alive on earth as well...

DD17 Fleet
+100 War Assets

Yeah supposedly thats the good destroy ending, where shepard lives and he's back on earth (dunno how tho lol)
Just missing his LI and the normandy crew  

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

[oligo]

Natsunomiko21 wrote...

Just one thing needed to be changed: make the normandy crash on earth.

I don't know who had the idea to make it crash in some backwater planet .... drama for the sake of drama isn't good writing, it's cheap. 

Most people are pissed about that.. normandy being stranded from everyone where forever alones and inbreeding will surely happen.. why? just why?

Shep dying? Fine by me as long it is a choice. Shep living? Fine as well. Play your game however you want, but for those who want their shep to live (me included) being away from everyone and those you love are far worse. 

I can handle the losses, billion people, species.. but not cheap drama. 

Anyone agree?

PS: sorry for any mistakes, english is not my first language.

Abso-****ing-lutely!

I don't even... Why did they think it would be a good idea to fling the Normandy and the crew far away, FOR NO GOOD REASON, and then destroy the Relays, so there's no way to even pretend that Shepard could be reunited with them?  Honestly?

I mean, the destruction of the Relays in the control and merge endings is also kinda iffy... and the whole 'space magic' thing, too, but I could deal with that.

It's hard to fight for a faceless galaxy, my Shepard is fighting for her crew, the people she cares about.  So what'll we do?  Oh I KNOW, let's kick them half way accross the galaxy with no hope of return! That's GREAT.

/rant

I feel a lot better now that I've got that out of my system, but yes, if the Normandy crashed on Earth that would be amazing, because there would still at least be hope, for their existance, to be reunited with Shepard, whatever.

It would have been a lot better.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Sargerus wrote...

Natsunomiko21 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

You have my support, Though I would prefer Shep to be alive on earth as well...

DD17 Fleet
+100 War Assets

Yeah supposedly thats the good destroy ending, where shepard lives and he's back on earth (dunno how tho lol)
Just missing his LI and the normandy crew  

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

So yeah, I guess the "perfect" ending is just "Shepard survived." -The End-

[kyg_20X6]

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They, or at least EA, will want to sell ME3 DLC over the next year. After THAT, then yes, they want to move on from Shepard. But in the short term, they want to milk this ****. And there are a lot of other ways to bring Shepard's story to a close than him dying.

[cotheer]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They, or at least EA, will want to sell ME3 DLC over the next year. After THAT, then yes, they want to move on from Shepard. But in the short term, they want to milk this ****. And there are a lot of other ways to bring Shepard's story to a close than him dying.

It would be (will be) pretty ****ty DLC (if they release it) if you ask me, considering the number of "endings".
Someone already mentioned it, they are way over their heads with these endings that there is no logical way to get out of the situation let alone make a DLC or a sequel.

[Kersca]

I'd be happy with the Normandy not crash landed, but slowly making their way back to Earth no matter how long it would take them.

[mulder1199]

cotheer wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They, or at least EA, will want to sell ME3 DLC over the next year. After THAT, then yes, they want to move on from Shepard. But in the short term, they want to milk this ****. And there are a lot of other ways to bring Shepard's story to a close than him dying.

It would be (will be) pretty ****ty DLC (if they release it) if you ask me, considering the number of "endings".
Someone already mentioned it, they are way over their heads with these endings that there is no logical way to get out of the situation let alone make a DLC or a sequel.

about all we can hope for is the inevitable day 1 patch includes new data that alters the (or just 'an') ending, or opens up new endings.......i know i know, the people that have the game have the regular game, i get that, but this is exactly the type of thing they could alter via a patch....

[DeinonSlayer]

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They wouldn't have any other adventures to go on. All that's left is to rebuild and figure out some kind of mass relay alternative which allows all of the aliens now stranded in the Sol system to go home. The Quarians, for instance, have a homeworld for the first time in 300 years, but are now cut off from it.

The fate of the Normandy crew truly is the core of the objections we're seeing. After all they've been through, they've earned some peace. Starving to death and/or inbreeding while being stranded at the ass-end of the galaxy for no clear reason doesn't qualify.

"It's the journey, not the destination" they told us. We, the customers, will be the judge of that. I want very badly to see this through to the end, but I'm not going to sink $60 into a story which will ultimately, inevitably, ****** me off for no good reason. I bought all the DLC missions for ME2. But if ME3 ends the way it sounds like it will, I won't be buying it.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Sargerus]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They wouldn't have any other adventures to go on. All that's left is to rebuild and figure out some kind of mass relay alternative which allows all of the aliens now stranded in the Sol system to go home. The Quarians, for instance, have a homeworld for the first time in 300 years, but are now cut off from it.

The fate of the Normandy crew truly is the core of the objections we're seeing. After all they've been through, they've earned some peace. Starving to death and/or inbreeding while being stranded at the ass-end of the galaxy for no clear reason doesn't qualify.

the same thing was said with Halo 3... 

[The Asari]

lets face it people with ME 3 they have spend more time on multiplayer, ''better'' with kinect and appealing to new players with ME 3 is a great way to jump in and of course with all the DLC!! every single video out there has preoreder **** in it. and buy this product and get a code with dlc to ME 3. and it seems like they have completly forgot about their previous 2 games and their long time fans. most of the endings woulnd't ****** people off so bad if they'd only gotten to have their crew and/or love interest with them. i mean seriosly bioware how hard could it have been to just add that to an ending and you could have avoided this and still have happy and loyal fans.

[Darth Malice113]

Sargerus wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They wouldn't have any other adventures to go on. All that's left is to rebuild and figure out some kind of mass relay alternative which allows all of the aliens now stranded in the Sol system to go home. The Quarians, for instance, have a homeworld for the first time in 300 years, but are now cut off from it.

The fate of the Normandy crew truly is the core of the objections we're seeing. After all they've been through, they've earned some peace. Starving to death and/or inbreeding while being stranded at the ass-end of the galaxy for no clear reason doesn't qualify.

the same thing was said with Halo 3... 

You want to know something funny?  Halo is a linear FPS with no dialogue options, or branching narratives.
Mass Effect is not.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 01 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Sargerus wrote...
the same thing was said with Halo 3... 

Yes. And I didn't buy that, either.

[Sargerus]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

The problem with this ending is that it would open more possible adventures for Shep and his crew to have in the future, and BW wants to end Shepard's story.

They wouldn't have any other adventures to go on. All that's left is to rebuild and figure out some kind of mass relay alternative which allows all of the aliens now stranded in the Sol system to go home. The Quarians, for instance, have a homeworld for the first time in 300 years, but are now cut off from it.

The fate of the Normandy crew truly is the core of the objections we're seeing. After all they've been through, they've earned some peace. Starving to death and/or inbreeding while being stranded at the ass-end of the galaxy for no clear reason doesn't qualify.

the same thing was said with Halo 3... 

You want to know something funny?  Halo is a linear FPS with no dialogue options, or branching narratives.
Mass Effect is not.

And? One of the reasons Halo 3 was overhyped is because it was supposed to 'finish the fight' , the end of Master Chief storyline. Now we have a whole new trilogy of Halo games with good old MC.

a ME4 or a ME MMO will happen in the next years, it is inevitable.

[mulder1199]

The Asari wrote...

lets face it people with ME 3 they have spend more time on multiplayer, ''better'' with kinect and appealing to new players with ME 3 is a great way to jump in and of course with all the DLC!! every single video out there has preoreder **** in it. and buy this product and get a code with dlc to ME 3. and it seems like they have completly forgot about their previous 2 games and their long time fans. most of the endings woulnd't ****** people off so bad if they'd only gotten to have their crew and/or love interest with them. i mean seriosly bioware how hard could it have been to just add that to an ending and you could have avoided this and still have happy and loyal fans.

not hard at all, they've done the work...it would have been easy enough, this could still get patched in, or possibly a DLC that rectifies the situation, I'll pay double!

[Switish]

Oh crap.....I knew there would be harsh endings but THIS....im gonna cry

[Yumi50]

+100000000000000000000

[BeastMTL]

I agree with the OP..

My Shep (if he lives) shouldn't be torn away from his crew (family). Either stranded or back on earth I don't mind so much.. but separating them with no reason feels like a big finger to the players.

I can almost hear all the hatches at Bio Edmonton being shut to ride the upcoming storm.