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[Fisto The Sexbot]

Lizardviking wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Uh, guys?

How does "crashed on an unknown garden world" = "doomed forever?"

Just sayin'.

Because there is not enough of them to start a new viable colony? Because Garrus and Tali will most likely starve to death? Because even if they are okay with just being them and not reproduce, they still can't escape the planet?

Maybe the planet has some alien food. Special Nilbog milk, high in vitamin content? 

[OMGOSHNESS]

I agree. I'm fine with relays being destroyed and space travel essentially being abolished, but at least keep the whole crew together on Earth.

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

Because there is not enough of them to start a new viable colony? Because Garrus and Tali will most likely starve to death? Because even if they are okay with just being them and not reproduce, they still can't escape the planet?

Has that even been confirmed?  I don't think the writers intended to have the crew starve to death--the new world they crash on is supposed to be symbolic of a new beginning.  It's supposed to be hopeful, I think.

Besides, if anything can be said about the crew of the Normandy, it's that they're very good at getting out of incredibly bad situations alive.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Here's my thoughts on the aftermath.

It is possible to locate the Normandy crew. The Normandy apparently still has some functionality as evident of the cargo bay doors opening in the end. They just communicate through the QE communicator and ask for them to transfer a layout of the sky. With that data they could triangulate where they are. And don't say that's impossible, when in ME2 they were able to just a gorge of Klendashun to locate the weapon that caused the gorge and the target. They find where the Normandy crew is and send a ship which should only take a few weeks.

Now with every race working together they could construct conduits (mini-mass relays). They can then have unmanned ships carry them to various locations around the galaxy so they don't have to worry about feeding a crew. Once they reach their intended targets, the relays activate and allow one ship to go through at a time.

Bam! Done.

Gah! Where did you see that? I wanna see the endings for myself damn it. 

[ArkkAngel007]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Because there is not enough of them to start a new viable colony? Because Garrus and Tali will most likely starve to death? Because even if they are okay with just being them and not reproduce, they still can't escape the planet?

Has that even been confirmed?  I don't think the writers intended to have the crew starve to death--the new world they crash on is supposed to be symbolic of a new beginning.  It's supposed to be hopeful, I think.

Besides, if anything can be said about the crew of the Normandy, it's that they're very good at getting out of incredibly bad situations alive.

You don't see anything of the crew in the epilogue.  Nothing to hint that they starve and die.  And dextros aside, you see no Asari running around, and Asari aren't dextro.

Right now, the fate of the crew and how a colony was developed is all speculation and, purposely, left abstract.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Because there is not enough of them to start a new viable colony? Because Garrus and Tali will most likely starve to death? Because even if they are okay with just being them and not reproduce, they still can't escape the planet?

Has that even been confirmed?  I don't think the writers intended to have the crew starve to death--the new world they crash on is supposed to be symbolic of a new beginning.  It's supposed to be hopeful, I think.

Bioware deliberately have a ship with a crew of roughly 50 people crashland into an unknown planet with no means of escape. If you even bother to think about it, then that is what the ending means. The team is screwed, and given the fact that Shepard and civilization as whole also is makes the whole thing very bitter.

Bioware should have had them crashland on Earth.

Besides, if anything can be said about the crew of the Normandy, it's that they're very good at getting out of incredibly bad situations alive.

Unless Garrus is the Turian Mac Gyver and can repair the Normandy with used bubblegum, a pair of shoelaces and a wrench. They won't get out of this one.

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote..

Bioware deliberately have a ship with a crew of roughly 50 people crashland into an unknown planet with no means of escape. If you even bother to think about it, then that is what the ending means. The team is screwed, and given the fact that Shepard and civilization as whole also is makes the whole thing very bitter.

Assuming that they really have no means of escape.  Except, you know, the shuttles, which are capable of FTL jumps.  And enough food stores to last for months or years, since hundreds of years of space travel would have taught people how to prepare.  And hell, if they start to run low, they can take turns in the sleeper pods.

Bioware should have had them crashland on Earth.

Which could potentially be destroyed?

Unless Garrus is the Turian Mac Gyver and can repair the Normandy with used bubblegum, a pair of shoelaces and a wrench. They won't get out of this one.

They said that about Shepard stopping the Reapers.

Besides, judging from the limited footage I saw, the Normandy took about the same
amount of beating as it did from the Collector Base approach.  And it
got out of that just fine.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Besides, judging from the limited footage I saw, the Normandy took about the same
amount of beating as it did from the Collector Base approach.  And it
got out of that just fine.

I still believe losing the Normandy's thrusters would give them problems. Because that's what I saw. Almost seemed like the Normandy broke apart.

Collector base approach had mostly internal/external damage, but no parts falling off.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote..

Bioware deliberately have a ship with a crew of roughly 50 people crashland into an unknown planet with no means of escape. If you even bother to think about it, then that is what the ending means. The team is screwed, and given the fact that Shepard and civilization as whole also is makes the whole thing very bitter.

Assuming that they really have no means of escape.  Except, you know, the shuttles, which are capable of FTL jumps.  And enough food stores to last for months or years, since hundreds of years of space travel would have taught people how to prepare.  And hell, if they start to run low, they can take turns in the sleeper pods.

Given the damage the Normandy takes, I would not be suprised if the shuttle gets damaged. That and there is a chance that the shuttle actually gets blown up on Earth. And even if the shuttle is okay then they can't really use it to anything other than see what other planets are in the nearby system.

Bioware should have had them crashland on Earth.

Which could potentially be destroyed?

I have seen the "bad" cutscene for when Shepard wins, the only real difference is that Big Ben gets destroyed by the energy wave and that London looks a bit more beat up.

My idea was to have them crash on a place on Earth where no one really lives (perhaps slightly difficult given that Earth's city has expanded alot) and that is not hazardous, then when they open up the airlock they are greeted to a beautiful natural vista.

Cheesy, but it sure hell beats "stranded on planet".

Besides, judging from the limited footage I saw, the Normandy took about the same
amount of beating as it did from the Collector Base approach.  And it
got out of that just fine.

The Normandy thrusters were ripped off as far as I saw. Kinda hard to replace that without a shipyard don't you think?

[Eradyn]

The Normandy is destroyed/wrecked by I'm-an-incompetent-****ing-idiot-across-two-games-now Joker trying to outrun space magic light beams (just turn the damn ship you bleeding idiot!!!). It then crashes onto a garden world. During the epilogue, an older man walks alongside a child, telling the tales of the mighty Shepard. The end.

Now...where do children come from? Right, sex. So someone has to have had sex to produce this child. How many people are on the Normandy? Oh, right, they're destined to have inbred progeny because the Normandy cannot carry enough people. And this is still only assuming, rather than breeding with only willing women, all the women on board are forced (read: raped) or guilted (read: raped) into becoming baby-making machines "for the good of us all." This is logic, people. You don't have to have it smashed and rubbed in your face to deduce the inevitable, lonely horror awaiting the Normandy crew.

And let's not even touch on the fate of Team Dextro if you left them on the Normandy. I hope they still have some functioning weaponry left; at least they will be able to end their suffering.



Yeah, it would have been better, more poignant, for the Normandy to crash on a demolished earth. Instead of leaving them to waste away and die, abandoned, on some backwater planet without hope of being saved.


Edit: Oh, and FTL travel? Some of you do not have a grasp on the scope of the galaxy, much less the universe.  Assuming they still had a functioning Normandy (much less a shuttle) that retained functioning FTL drives, they would not have the fuel to make the journey.  And depending on how far they were flung away, none of them would have the time to make the journey, as they would all die before getting where they needed to go.  FTL travel is very slow for traversing the galaxy, hence the Mass Relays.  So yeah.  Permanently stranded.

Modifié par Eradyn, 01 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Zyrious]

As far as the normandy and crew go, this is how i think it SHOULD have happened;

The normandy crashes on Earth. Depending on what shepard does, everyone may be dead, and shepard may be dead. Some ending smay involve simply showing a view at a destroyed normandy with a destroyed Earth in the background. Other endings involve the crew seeing the hybrid machines or conflict erupting between non-humans and humans as the reapers come under shepard control.

The "Perfect" ending has the crew of the normandy step out, seeing the carnage. They see pieces of the citadel burning up in the atmosphere, some have already crashed on Earth. They comment on the destruction, and look over where they see a squad of humans and aliens are helping eachother out of the rubble. Technology and the relays are gone, and Earth needs to be rebuilt, and through the eyes of our normandy crew we see a new beginning as the stranded aliens and humans begin working together to clear the rubble and begin anew.

If shepard is alive, we can later have him appear out of the rubble heavily injured, sort of harkening back to the ME 1 ending. Epilogue involves either just the normandy crew, or crew and shepard commenting on the state of humanity and human-alien relations and the course for the future.

IMO, that's better than "Life sucks and then you die".

Modifié par Zyrious, 01 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[DXLelouch15]

^^this a million times this Bioware

[NeoVassal]

Eradyn wrote...

The Normandy is destroyed/wrecked by I'm-an-incompetent-****ing-idiot-across-two-games-now Joker trying to outrun space magic light beams (just turn the damn ship you bleeding idiot!!!). It then crashes onto a garden world. During the epilogue, an older man walks alongside a child, telling the tales of the mighty Shepard. The end.

Now...where do children come from? Right, sex. So someone has to have had sex to produce this child. How many people are on the Normandy? Oh, right, they're destined to have inbred progeny because the Normandy cannot carry enough people. And this is still only assuming, rather than breeding with only willing women, all the women on board are forced (read: raped) or guilted (read: raped) into becoming baby-making machines "for the good of us all." This is logic, people. You don't have to have it smashed and rubbed in your face to deduce the inevitable, lonely horror awaiting the Normandy crew.

And let's not even touch on the fate of Team Dextro if you left them on the Normandy. I hope they still have some functioning weaponry left; at least they will be able to end their suffering.



Yeah, it would have been better, more poignant, for the Normandy to crash on a demolished earth. Instead of leaving them to waste away and die, abandoned, on some backwater planet without hope of being saved.


Edit: Oh, and FTL travel? Some of you do not have a grasp on the scope of the galaxy, much less the universe.  Assuming they still had a functioning Normandy (much less a shuttle) that retained functioning FTL drives, they would not have the fuel to make the journey.  And depending on how far they were flung away, none of them would have the time to make the journey, as they would all die before getting where they needed to go.  FTL travel is very slow for traversing the galaxy, hence the Mass Relays.  So yeah.  Permanently stranded.

Bravo. That's what bothers me most about them being stranded. Especially after witnessing Jacob's loyalty mission in ME2.

[CrimsonNephilim]

Zyrious wrote...

As far as the normandy and crew go, this is how i think it SHOULD have happened;

The normandy crashes on Earth. Depending on what shepard does, everyone may be dead, and shepard may be dead. Some ending smay involve simply showing a view at a destroyed normandy with a destroyed Earth in the background. Other endings involve the crew seeing the hybrid machines or conflict erupting between non-humans and humans as the reapers come under shepard control.

The "Perfect" ending has the crew of the normandy step out, seeing the carnage. They see pieces of the citadel burning up in the atmosphere, some have already crashed on Earth. They comment on the destruction, and look over where they see a squad of humans and aliens are helping eachother out of the rubble. Technology and the relays are gone, and Earth needs to be rebuilt, and through the eyes of our normandy crew we see a new beginning as the stranded aliens and humans begin working together to clear the rubble and begin anew.

If shepard is alive, we can later have him appear out of the rubble heavily injured, sort of harkening back to the ME 1 ending. Epilogue involves either just the normandy crew, or crew and shepard commenting on the state of humanity and human-alien relations and the course for the future.

IMO, that's better than "Life sucks and then you die".

^This

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

I would recommend that anybody still whining about this ending never to play Planescape: Torment, because then you'd really QQ.

[JamieCOTC]

Besides, we already had this ending in BSG. We don't need a rehash so soon, no matter how cool that show was. (IMHO)

[Supersomething]

Well only thing we can do now is;
A. Hope that there might be different endings in the NG+ not sure why a NG+ would make any difference but it might
B. Hope a DLC will be provided that continues the game a little bit more after the ending like Arrival did for ME2

I do not agree with the endings as they have been presented on the BSN but I am holding out hope that the endings are at least drawn from a logical story arc through ME3.

[Nashiktal]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Because there is not enough of them to start a new viable colony? Because Garrus and Tali will most likely starve to death? Because even if they are okay with just being them and not reproduce, they still can't escape the planet?

Has that even been confirmed?  I don't think the writers intended to have the crew starve to death--the new world they crash on is supposed to be symbolic of a new beginning.  It's supposed to be hopeful, I think.

Besides, if anything can be said about the crew of the Normandy, it's that they're very good at getting out of incredibly bad situations alive.

Really cheeze? All I rmemeber is the crew of the normandy being grounded once, kidnapped once, partially killed once...

I think its better to say shep is good at getting them out of bad situations. 

[Sporothrix]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

I would recommend that anybody still whining about this ending never to play Planescape: Torment, because then you'd really QQ.

There was a significant difference. It was Nameless One's story - much more defined character's, basically like reading an interactive book, and tone of the game was obvious since the start. Here it feels absolutely different, and lack of any real choice is just weak.

[EnvyXx]

If Mass effect 3 truly ends like this, I am going to be so pissed.. I'd rather die and have my LI not separated than live.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

misoretu9 wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

I would recommend that anybody still whining about this ending never to play Planescape: Torment, because then you'd really QQ.

There was a significant difference. It was Nameless One's story - much more defined character's, basically like reading an interactive book, and tone of the game was obvious since the start. Here it feels absolutely different, and lack of any real choice is just weak.

also, it wasn't the end of a trilogy that still holds so much quality and potential....