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[Tonymac]

I like my Krogan soldier, I just think that melee is not needed much in MP.

The guys who made the MP probably do not have 40+ characters like I do. Certain classes should have specific powers that are good for them. Frankly, I think that Soldiers got the raw deal - their talents in SP are legendary - but in MP I found them to be lacking. In fact, I thought that the human soldiers are so bad they are not worth playing.

Of the several million credits I have spent, I got a Krogan soldier! Thats about all I got in all of those millions of credits.... Anyhow, back to the point. I built my Krogan knowing that the melee thing was a gimmick. I built the Kroigan guy to have the one thing human soldiers should have, but do not (not at all) and that is durability and shields. Adrenaline rush should boost damage protection as well as increase your accuracy or your damage. In SP, the Assult Rifle feels like a piece of hardware that can kill. In MP... it takes WAY too many shots to kill a simple Cerberus guy. They suck! I shall repeat - the assuly rifles in the MP suck. Whomever decided the damage modifiers in MP has not played the real game - or they did not do it properly - it does not feel the same; it is not even close.

So, build your Krogan for durability, and max out Carnage. Then (and only then) will you think that the soldier is a class worth playing.

My thoughts on this are - its a Demo. Maybe they will get it tweaked for the real deal. maybe I just suck at soldier - I know

[Raziel Amazuke]

I don't necessarily agree with the claim Human Soldiers just outright suck.

Modifié par Raziel Amazuke, 01 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[the almighty moo]

i love the krogan soldier, you can one shot centurians and nemisis (wtf is plural for nemesis anyway?) with a heavy melee on bronze.

i actually soloed an atlas with just melee and a claymore to see if i could

once an assault trooper thew a grenade and took out another team member, but only dropped my shields by half

Modifié par the almighty moo, 01 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[TexasToast712]

Krogan are awesome even on Gold. If you can't survive gold as a krogan then you are doing it wrong.

[Thoragoros]

hangmans tree wrote...

I unlocked ^ last nite.
I was dead tired and was goin to bedd but I thought it will bug me till morrow untill I see how it fares ;]

Loaded solo Bronze challenge, lvl 14, Viper V as primary weapon, predator X as secondary. managed till wave 9 when I 'accidentally' bumped on a sharp end of a phantom toothpick just around the corner.

Who would have thought?

Is it doable with other races and classess? To solo bronze? Or silver for that matter? Maybe anything beside bronze is a suicide, what do you think?

Here we go again.  What benefit did you think equipping a Krogan with a sniper rifle was going to yeild?   You want to snipe at enemies with your fortification and melee bonuses?
 
I play Krogan soldier quite a bit on Silver and usually have twice as many points as the guy in second.  The thing is, accept that the Krogan is a close range Tank, and you will understand how to play him.

Here is what I did --

1) Fortification for Maximum damage protection and power bonus.

2) Carnage at MAX with Damage and Radius buffs.  This is one of the best Powers in the game.  Use it!

3) Inferno grenades for capacity and damage.

4) Three ranks of rage.  Rage is a good ability, but if your melee enough to get it regularly, and have Fortification at max, you really won't need the additional bonuses.

5) Krogan Berzerker for melee.

6) Fitness for shields/damage protection/melee.

Loadout:

1) Katana/Scimitar with baynet and accuracy upgrades.

Keep at mid-range from the enemya s much as possible, taking shots with your Shotgun and spamming Carnage.  Whe you feel safe, Charge in, and heavy-melee 'soft' targets to trigger Rage, then begin meleeing anything in arm's reach except Guardians, avoid those guys like the plague.  Once you're shields break, even if you have Rage, RUN!

Turrets.  Turrets are very, very easy for the Krogan to deal with.  Inferno-Shotgun-Carnage-Shotgun-Shotgun-Carnage = Dead Turret.  Then charge the infantry left helpless around it.

That's how to play a Krogan and own the Scorboards.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 01 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Delta 57 Dash]

Krogan is a MONSTER if you build him right.

Here's some tips:

1: Max Fortification for the 30% Damage Resistance. No objections, do it.

2: Max Fitness for Shield Boosts.

This gives you 1200 hp, 1600 shields, 30% Permanent Damage resistance, and an additional 30% DR whenever you happen to have rage up (which should be fairly often on Silver and almost permanently on Bronze)

Enjoy tanking Atlas Missiles to the face.

[Maria Caliban]

the almighty moo wrote...

(wtf is plural for nemesis anyway?)

Nemeses.

[ScottimusPrime]

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

Krogan is a MONSTER if you build him right.

Here's some tips:

1: Max Fortification for the 30% Damage Resistance. No objections, do it.

2: Max Fitness for Shield Boosts.

This gives you 1200 hp, 1600 shields, 30% Permanent Damage resistance, and an additional 30% DR whenever you happen to have rage up (which should be fairly often on Silver and almost permanently on Bronze)

Enjoy tanking Atlas Missiles to the face.

I wish I had read this before I maxed out my Krogan. I did.... terrible things to him. Unspeakable horrors that will plague my dreams. His health is lower than my friend's Salarian. I didn't know what I was doing! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!

[Thoragoros]

Maria Caliban wrote...

the almighty moo wrote...

(wtf is plural for nemesis anyway?)

Nemeses.

And is pronounced 'Nemme-seez' rather than 'Nemesis-es' lol

[Delta 57 Dash]

ScottimusPrime wrote...

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

Krogan is a MONSTER if you build him right.

Here's some tips:

1: Max Fortification for the 30% Damage Resistance. No objections, do it.

2: Max Fitness for Shield Boosts.

This gives you 1200 hp, 1600 shields, 30% Permanent Damage resistance, and an additional 30% DR whenever you happen to have rage up (which should be fairly often on Silver and almost permanently on Bronze)

Enjoy tanking Atlas Missiles to the face.

I wish I had read this before I maxed out my Krogan. I did.... terrible things to him. Unspeakable horrors that will plague my dreams. His health is lower than my friend's Salarian. I didn't know what I was doing! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!

Shhh... shhh.. .It's ok, In 5 days you get to start him over... *pap-shoosh*

[Gregums]

great ideas for krogan builds, i went with the melee gimmick and made the hulk.. and it's true that it's not as effective in gold but, like the vanguard, it still works you just have to be a bit more conservative and dash from cover to cover.. a scimitar or katana is probably better for you than the claymore unless you are very confident in your accuracy since it's 1-shot reload. his main use for me in MP is soaking up fire while the rest of the team work, and mopping up weakened enemies either with shotgun or melee.... advice for gold melee though - charge through and take cover behind the enemy and dig in!

[ScottimusPrime]

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

ScottimusPrime wrote...

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

Krogan is a MONSTER if you build him right.

Here's some tips:

1: Max Fortification for the 30% Damage Resistance. No objections, do it.

2: Max Fitness for Shield Boosts.

This gives you 1200 hp, 1600 shields, 30% Permanent Damage resistance, and an additional 30% DR whenever you happen to have rage up (which should be fairly often on Silver and almost permanently on Bronze)

Enjoy tanking Atlas Missiles to the face.

I wish I had read this before I maxed out my Krogan. I did.... terrible things to him. Unspeakable horrors that will plague my dreams. His health is lower than my friend's Salarian. I didn't know what I was doing! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!

Shhh... shhh.. .It's ok, In 5 days you get to start him over... *pap-shoosh*

*sniff* thank you... I hate to just throw Urdnot Bruce away, but he is the weakest of the Krogan soldiers. Oh well, see ya! Out the airlock you go. 

[WaffleCrab]

i use a mix of shotgun and carnage spam with an occasional inferno grenade to panic a large group on gold. on bronze and silver i stick on my bayonet and use rage if needed, or do toe to toe on phantom.

BTW is the stat wipe going to be complete or do we keep our unlocks but lose levels. Or lose nothing but just reset power points?

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 02 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[Syrus101]

I did bronze and silver with a melee krogan with the Revenent and Claymore (lot of people lol at that setup). got up to wave 8 in gold too. its just how you play... you cant rush in silver or gold and expect to survive as you are head bashing people. everything has a time and place.

[jelf rs]

Daforth wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

krogan soldier is basically useless on gold, human one even worse...

This is entirelly not true. Krogan Soldier IS very good at gold. It has very high HP/Shield. Carnage is very good, play like a soldier, stick to the team and use melee if enemy comes close, don't rush to them. It just a different playstyle on gold than bronze. 

Then what you playing is not a krogan soldier. It's just a sentinel without all those fancy abilities or an infiltrator without the ability to cloak. The only strength being you may have the chance to melee one or two troopers each mission, whom those infiltrators and sentinel can finish in point blank with a shot from the hip.

It's like saying "I'm playing this asari adept. I bring a widow and a Carnifex/claymore. I only use biotics once in a while, probably once or twice each wave."

[Syrus101]

Maria Caliban wrote...

the almighty moo wrote...

(wtf is plural for nemesis anyway?)

Nemeses.

my friends and I call them Neemai =P

[Thoragoros]

jelf rs wrote...

Daforth wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

krogan soldier is basically useless on gold, human one even worse...

This is entirelly not true. Krogan Soldier IS very good at gold. It has very high HP/Shield. Carnage is very good, play like a soldier, stick to the team and use melee if enemy comes close, don't rush to them. It just a different playstyle on gold than bronze. 

Then what you playing is not a krogan soldier. It's just a sentinel without all those fancy abilities or an infiltrator without the ability to cloak. The only strength being you may have the chance to melee one or two troopers each mission, whom those infiltrators and sentinel can finish in point blank with a shot from the hip.

It's like saying "I'm playing this asari adept. I bring a widow and a Carnifex/claymore. I only use biotics once in a while, probably once or twice each wave."

A good Krogan Soldier player doesn't melee for the sake of melee, he melees when its the right time, and wil score points.  On Gold, there are indeed fewer of these oppurtunities, but they are still there, and for certain playstyles, the Tank-ness of the Krogan Soldier is killer on any difficulty.

Really, you should be using your shotgun+carnage combos more than Melee.

[AlarisT]

ScottimusPrime wrote...

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

Krogan is a MONSTER if you build him right.

Here's some tips:

1: Max Fortification for the 30% Damage Resistance. No objections, do it.

2: Max Fitness for Shield Boosts.

This gives you 1200 hp, 1600 shields, 30% Permanent Damage resistance, and an additional 30% DR whenever you happen to have rage up (which should be fairly often on Silver and almost permanently on Bronze)

Enjoy tanking Atlas Missiles to the face.

I wish I had read this before I maxed out my Krogan. I did.... terrible things to him. Unspeakable horrors that will plague my dreams. His health is lower than my friend's Salarian. I didn't know what I was doing! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!

LOL 

Thanks for the tip Scottimus Prime.  It's not too late for my level 14 Krogan tyvm.  

[Daforth]

jelf rs wrote...

Daforth wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

krogan soldier is basically useless on gold, human one even worse...

This is entirelly not true. Krogan Soldier IS very good at gold. It has very high HP/Shield. Carnage is very good, play like a soldier, stick to the team and use melee if enemy comes close, don't rush to them. It just a different playstyle on gold than bronze. 

Then what you playing is not a krogan soldier. It's just a sentinel without all those fancy abilities or an infiltrator without the ability to cloak. The only strength being you may have the chance to melee one or two troopers each mission, whom those infiltrators and sentinel can finish in point blank with a shot from the hip.

It's like saying "I'm playing this asari adept. I bring a widow and a Carnifex/claymore. I only use biotics once in a while, probably once or twice each wave."

How many Gold match have you played? On Gold you cannot melee all the time and most of the time it is much better to keep the enemy away than close. So you wrong. On Gold playing a Krogan Soldier means playing a Soldier, supporting the team, hold the line and melee when the situation allows or requires. Clever Krogans does not run 100 yard ahead to melee a group of enemy when they can shoot down as well beside their teammates, who can help him, or he can help them if necessary. And your example is totally wrong as with Mattock you can use Carnage pretty frequently, I can say spamming. Or do you think a Krogan Soldier who does not melee at the moment only shot his weapon? Wrong again.

If you think playing a Krogan Soldier means going to melee all the time, you are wrong, especially on Gold (on Bronz  you can do it.)

Modifié par Daforth, 02 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[jelf rs]

Thoragoros wrote...

jelf rs wrote...

Daforth wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

krogan soldier is basically useless on gold, human one even worse...

This is entirelly not true. Krogan Soldier IS very good at gold. It has very high HP/Shield. Carnage is very good, play like a soldier, stick to the team and use melee if enemy comes close, don't rush to them. It just a different playstyle on gold than bronze. 

Then what you playing is not a krogan soldier. It's just a sentinel without all those fancy abilities or an infiltrator without the ability to cloak. The only strength being you may have the chance to melee one or two troopers each mission, whom those infiltrators and sentinel can finish in point blank with a shot from the hip.

It's like saying "I'm playing this asari adept. I bring a widow and a Carnifex/claymore. I only use biotics once in a while, probably once or twice each wave."

A good Krogan Soldier player doesn't melee for the sake of melee, he melees when its the right time, and wil score points.  On Gold, there are indeed fewer of these oppurtunities, but they are still there, and for certain playstyles, the Tank-ness of the Krogan Soldier is killer on any difficulty.

Really, you should be using your shotgun+carnage combos more than Melee.

In a balanced game, no matter pvp or pve, every classes should have their own unique roles and something that other classes can not substitute easily.

In this game, a krogan soldier's features are his high health/shield and the unmatched melee ability.
However on gold, these two features become marginal. While you can increase your health and shield by fraction, the enemies' damage increases exponentially. So on gold a krogan soldier can only survive by hiding behind covers most of the time like every other classes and using guns.
But in such conditions, a lot other classes, like infiltrators and sentinels, can do a better job. There's no point for a krogan soldier to exist. No matter how good you are at shotgun+carnage, you are still no match for those classes. And the chances to melee are so rare that it won't change the fact that krogan soldiers are far inferior.

Note that though this is not a competitive game, the less you contribute still means the more of a burden you are. There is a reason why people don't like level 1 in a gold mission. Think it this way, a level 1 infiltrator can sometimes do a better job than a level 20 krogan soldier, be it dealing damage, completing objectives or rezing people.
When you think it this way, then there's no point to use krogan soldier on gold.

If you think krogans shouldn't melee for the sake of meleeing. Then one probably shouldn't use krogan soldier on gold only for the sake of using it as well.

[jelf rs]

Daforth wrote...

jelf rs wrote...

Daforth wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

krogan soldier is basically useless on gold, human one even worse...

This is entirelly not true. Krogan Soldier IS very good at gold. It has very high HP/Shield. Carnage is very good, play like a soldier, stick to the team and use melee if enemy comes close, don't rush to them. It just a different playstyle on gold than bronze. 

Then what you playing is not a krogan soldier. It's just a sentinel without all those fancy abilities or an infiltrator without the ability to cloak. The only strength being you may have the chance to melee one or two troopers each mission, whom those infiltrators and sentinel can finish in point blank with a shot from the hip.

It's like saying "I'm playing this asari adept. I bring a widow and a Carnifex/claymore. I only use biotics once in a while, probably once or twice each wave."

How many Gold match have you played? On Gold you cannot melee all the time and most of the time it is much better to keep the enemy away than close. So you wrong. On Gold playing a Krogan Soldier means playing a Soldier, supporting the team, hold the line and melee when the situation allows or requires. Clever Krogans does not run 100 yard ahead to melee a group of enemy when they can shoot down as well beside their teammates, who can help him, or he can help them if necessary. And your example is totally wrong as with Mattock you can use Carnage pretty frequently, I can say spamming. Or do you think a Krogan Soldier who does not melee at the moment only shot his weapon? Wrong again.

If you think playing a Krogan Soldier means going to melee all the time, you are wrong, especially on Gold (on Bronz  you can do it.)

I hate to admit it but I've probably played more gold than you've played all missions. I'm N7 120 with every single POS in demo unlocked.

I've tried all classes and races on gold.

And if you don't know what I mean, check the post I just made.

[Harorrd]

it was hard as crap with my lvl 10 krogan soldier to solo silver i need to lvl him up before i even try at hard

[ScottimusPrime]

AlarisT wrote...

ScottimusPrime wrote...

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

Krogan is a MONSTER if you build him right.

Here's some tips:

1: Max Fortification for the 30% Damage Resistance. No objections, do it.

2: Max Fitness for Shield Boosts.

This gives you 1200 hp, 1600 shields, 30% Permanent Damage resistance, and an additional 30% DR whenever you happen to have rage up (which should be fairly often on Silver and almost permanently on Bronze)

Enjoy tanking Atlas Missiles to the face.

I wish I had read this before I maxed out my Krogan. I did.... terrible things to him. Unspeakable horrors that will plague my dreams. His health is lower than my friend's Salarian. I didn't know what I was doing! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!

LOL 

Thanks for the tip Scottimus Prime.  It's not too late for my level 14 Krogan tyvm.  

I didn't write the tips, I merely cried over royally messing up my own Krogan. 0 points in rage. horrible, horrible mistake. 

[marshalleck]

Thoughts on krogan soldiers: look cool, fun on Bronze

[Daforth]

jelf rs wrote...

Daforth wrote...

jelf rs wrote...

Daforth wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

krogan soldier is basically useless on gold, human one even worse...

This is entirelly not true. Krogan Soldier IS very good at gold. It has very high HP/Shield. Carnage is very good, play like a soldier, stick to the team and use melee if enemy comes close, don't rush to them. It just a different playstyle on gold than bronze. 

Then what you playing is not a krogan soldier. It's just a sentinel without all those fancy abilities or an infiltrator without the ability to cloak. The only strength being you may have the chance to melee one or two troopers each mission, whom those infiltrators and sentinel can finish in point blank with a shot from the hip.

It's like saying "I'm playing this asari adept. I bring a widow and a Carnifex/claymore. I only use biotics once in a while, probably once or twice each wave."

How many Gold match have you played? On Gold you cannot melee all the time and most of the time it is much better to keep the enemy away than close. So you wrong. On Gold playing a Krogan Soldier means playing a Soldier, supporting the team, hold the line and melee when the situation allows or requires. Clever Krogans does not run 100 yard ahead to melee a group of enemy when they can shoot down as well beside their teammates, who can help him, or he can help them if necessary. And your example is totally wrong as with Mattock you can use Carnage pretty frequently, I can say spamming. Or do you think a Krogan Soldier who does not melee at the moment only shot his weapon? Wrong again.

If you think playing a Krogan Soldier means going to melee all the time, you are wrong, especially on Gold (on Bronz  you can do it.)

I hate to admit it but I've probably played more gold than you've played all missions. I'm N7 120 with every single POS in demo unlocked.

I've tried all classes and races on gold.

And if you don't know what I mean, check the post I just made.

You think? N7 120 here too, all unlocked, all played. Since the demo is released I play MP almost every evening (yeah I am addicted, I know )  If this is your only argument left, shows how good you are with a Krogan Soldier. I rest my case. 

(BTW, do you know how many N7 120 player are currently ?  1161 at the moment of this post. So, pulling out this and stating you played more Gold match comparing to someone who you does not even know is sooo childish.)

But I don't argue more, it is your play. Many here wrote similar oppinion like me.