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[Xayoz]

Elite Midget wrote...
It isn't acceptance when you're refusing to accept differing views of others. You aren't anymore open minded than they since you refuse to accept their views as their own instead of placing your own personal judgement upon them on what is and isn't acceptable.

By that logic, everything is acceptable, including homophobia, racism etc.

Well whatever. This has gone way offtopic.

[Elite Midget]

xtorma wrote...

Isn't this the exact same thing that you do?

No, I accept the views of others that differ from my own. In my opinion I believe some people are idiots but I never try and change their views to fit my own, I merely present what I can and let them decide on their own what they chose to believe and disbelieve. They are themselves and I am myself. We will never agree because that's a part of being human, being an individual.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 01 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[Sporothrix]

Gexora wrote...

before anyone answers to xtorma - please don't
I always find masculine men attractive. You want feminine - look at women.

Yes, I want feminine, that's the point. I really don't understand how someone would find men attractive without feeling sexual attraction to them. Oh well, I suppose we're talking about  "I don't want to be in relationship with men, therefore I'm gay, even though they're so sexy", like in The Kids Are All Right.

BACK ON TOPIC. It makes much more sense to have a woman with millenia of lifetime and ability to mate with virtually anyone and her children (who are also women with millenia of lifetime and ability to mate with virtually anyone) take over the secluded settlement. But, well, nothing inthis spoilers makes sense so far.

I don't think the writer thought about it either.

Modifié par misoretu9, 01 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Elite Midget]

Xayoz wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...
It isn't acceptance when you're refusing to accept differing views of others. You aren't anymore open minded than they since you refuse to accept their views as their own instead of placing your own personal judgement upon them on what is and isn't acceptable.

By that logic, everything is acceptable, including homophobia, racism etc.

Well whatever. This has gone way offtopic.

I accept that some people are homophobics for whatever reason. I wont try and change them or say my opinion is better than what they think because it's a pointless task and those that change on a whim because someone has different views than them have weak backbones that can't even stand up for their own views.

[AkiKishi]

Elite Midget wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Other than people who are gay/les on medical grounds (andro/gynophobic) or those who base their identity on being gay. Most have either tried it , or would under the right circumstances.

My partner is a bisexual woman so the the idea that all lesbians find men repulsive is way off.

Let me correct you.

Someone that is Bi isn't Gay or Lesbian, they're Bi. They're as different as Straight is to Gay/Lesbian.

I'll just say your most likely way to the good kind of 3some is through a bisexual partner and let you imagination fill in the blanks.

Lesbians often sleep with men to get children. It's a means to an end. Only those with medical conditions tend to be like you describe.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 01 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Elite Midget]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Other than people who are gay/les on medical grounds (andro/gynophobic) or those who base their identity on being gay. Most have either tried it , or would under the right circumstances.

My partner is a bisexual woman so the the idea that all lesbians find men repulsive is way off.

Let me correct you.

Someone that is Bi isn't Gay or Lesbian, they're Bi. They're as different as Straight is to Gay/Lesbian.

I'll just say your most likely way to the good kind of 3some is through a bisexual partner and let you imagination fill in the blanks.

In your opinion.

[xtorma]

Elite Midget wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Isn't this the exact same thing that you do?

No, I accept the views of others that differ from my own. In my opinion I believe some people are idiots but I never try and change thir views to fit my own, I merely present what I can and let them decide on their own what they chose to believe and disbelieve. They are themselves and I am myself. We will never agree because that's a part of being human, being an individual.

then why make the title dextros and GAY crew members. Why not just crew members. is it not the same if someone were hetro , but not attracted to another person? the more people insist on being separate, the longer they will be. my brother is gay, when he comes over to my house he talks about his relationships...not his GAY relationships. I see him as my equal , i see his relationships as valid, and i love him.

He does not have to remind me every ten mimutes he is gay, like it's some kind of cross he has to bear.

[dw99027]

I really don't understand how someone would find men attractive without feeling sexual attraction to them.

My best man is 6'6" 225 and a model. He's bloody Apollo and I vocally recognise that. I still won't touch him with a 10-foot stick (no pun intended) if he's got no clothes on. 'Attractive' might be the wrong word. Maybe 'beautiful' is more appropriate.

[Sporothrix]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Other than people who are gay/les on medical grounds (andro/gynophobic) or those who base their identity on being gay. Most have either tried it , or would under the right circumstances.

My partner is a bisexual woman so the the idea that all lesbians find men repulsive is way off.

Please. As it was said earlier, bisexual woman is different from homosexual and there are even studies which prove that (for example, hightened sex drive on average in both straight and bi women is associated with stronger attraction to both men and women, while in lesbians - only to women). And there are some experiments on animals which resulted in "lesbian mice" and you know what? They refused males to mate with them and went into females. I assume it's because they were "androphobic", huh?
Or they "invested into gay identity"?

Modifié par misoretu9, 01 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[AkiKishi]

misoretu9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Other than people who are gay/les on medical grounds (andro/gynophobic) or those who base their identity on being gay. Most have either tried it , or would under the right circumstances.

My partner is a bisexual woman so the the idea that all lesbians find men repulsive is way off.

Please. As it was said earlier, bisexual woman is different from homosexual and there are even studies which prove that (for example, hightened sex drive on average in both straight and bi women is associated with stronger attraction to both men and women, while in lesbians - only to women). And there are some experiments on animals which resulted in "lesbian mice" and you know what? They refused males to mate with them and went into females. I assume it's because they were "androphobic", huh?

Mice don't have tequila.

Mice are going on instinct. The thing that seperates us from animals is that we can reason. Sometimes that reason is is all it takes.

I don't know of any studies into androphobic mice. So I could not even begin to draw a conclusion on that one.

[Sporothrix]

BobSmith101 wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Other than people who are gay/les on medical grounds (andro/gynophobic) or those who base their identity on being gay. Most have either tried it , or would under the right circumstances.

My partner is a bisexual woman so the the idea that all lesbians find men repulsive is way off.

Please. As it was said earlier, bisexual woman is different from homosexual and there are even studies which prove that (for example, hightened sex drive on average in both straight and bi women is associated with stronger attraction to both men and women, while in lesbians - only to women). And there are some experiments on animals which resulted in "lesbian mice" and you know what? They refused males to mate with them and went into females. I assume it's because they were "androphobic", huh?

Mice don't have tequila.

Mice are going on instinct. The thing that seperates us from animals is that we can reason. Sometimes that reason is is all it takes.

I don't know of any studies into androphobic mice. So I could not even begin to draw a conclusion on that one.

Exactly, animals act on their feelings immediately. And you can't do anything about sexual attraction. So a lesbian could sleep with a man for many different reasons, but she would find that repulsive. And you tried to suggest that lesbians don't sleep with men only because they're "androphobic" or invested into that identiy by showing example of your BISEXUAL girlfriend.

[Guldhun2]

Ah, the politically correct wonder train has arrived. All aboard!

[Imajasjam]

All males would breed with all available partners to ensure as much genetic diversity as possible. Sexual Attraction has nothing to do with it.

[Hillbillyshep]

Arcian wrote...

ademska wrote...

if the normandy crew has to sustain itself on that planet and creates a colony, which is ridiculous on its own merits

does that mean the dextro-aminos (tali, garrus) starve? and do steve cortez and samantha traynor have to have sex and procreate against their desires?

because all of that is super effing gross, bioware.

as a gay person, i'm honestly a little sick to my stomach thinking about the gay part.

And this is why bisexuals are infinitely superior to hetero and homosexuals.

Yup. Everybody should be bi-sexual.:happy:

[ManyDeadCats]

It'll mean a harsh reality check for the homos, thats for sure. That their sexual preferences are deviant and will only lead to their extinction.

Hur hur hur we can adopt a kid and become a family. Well where did that kid come from? Two other homos?

[ElitePinecone]

varterral wrote...

Horrible soulless sex, starvation, inbreeding and possibly cannibalism.

Sounds delightful.

Guh. The endings. 

[xtorma]

ManyDeadCats wrote...

It'll mean a harsh reality check for the homos, thats for sure. That their sexual preferences are deviant and will only lead to their extinction.

Hur hur hur we can adopt a kid and become a family. Well where did that kid come from? Two other homos?

Biotics

[SurelyForth]

The reason that the Normandy ending would be a specific concern for Team Dextro and gay crew members is because it is.

I can see how it sucks for everyone, but the real horror for me is Team Dextro's slow starvation (which could be compounded by Tali's health) and the idea of how the crew founds a colony when they hardly have the numbers or the resources. In addition to the idea that Steve and Samantha (and any other gay or asexual crewmember) will be be expected to participate in the repopulation efforts, I'm also sickened to think about all the women who will be expected to get (repeatedly) pregnant on a strange planet with presumably limited medical supplies.

It's all incredibly gross and, from everything I hear, utterly pointless.

[wright1978]

ElitePinecone wrote...

varterral wrote...

Horrible soulless sex, starvation, inbreeding and possibly cannibalism.

Sounds delightful.

Guh. The endings. 

The kind of positive ending that just makes you want to replay the game over and over again!

[VanDave]

Reading this stuff ... I'm kinda glad Shep will be dead. Seems like hell.

[Dean_the_Young]

The crew of the Normandy hopes that one of the many millions of FTL craft in the galaxy finds them.

Clearly such a open possibility is too unlikely, and so must be discarded.

[ediskrad327]

i don't think the Colony is related to the Normandy since the scene shows up even if the crew appears to be dead, then again i have not seen the endings so i'm basing this speculation on pue description i've heard

[dw99027]

Yup. Everybody should be bi-sexual

Except men.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Well, Tali's basically screwed, but the Normandy has replicators & ****. They'll live. And inbreeding won't be a problem due to magical Asari space genetics, but Liara and Samara are gonna be busy people.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Well, there's Liara. Depending on the number of survivors, she could habor the children of potentially a dozen or more. Then (for the greater good, I guess) every human crew member with each other. But even in this scenario Team Dextro dies a slow death at best, Tali won't even have a child I imagine (albeit given the... perticular... way Asari reproduce, maybe she wouldn't need to get out of her suit?). I know nothing about such things, so I doubt it can produce a viable population, but hey one can hope at this point.

One thing that is extremely sad? EDI. If everybody dies, she is left all alone for... well until her batteries run out or somesuch. In that case I certainly hope she can shut herself down.

Really, the more you think about it, the more depressing this get. I like the endings, I like the sacrifices demanded, but what happens to our crew is just going overboard, Bioware. They should at least be stranded on Earth, and whenever you have a high Readiness rating determines how many people are left alive to help them (from a reasonably high number to absolutely nobody). Hell, the crew could rally the survivors of their vicinity and build a city, eventually a nation. Maybe find some food or even, err, company suitable for Team Dextro. The ending would still be bleak, but with a beacon of hope.