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[Syrus101]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

ApplesauceBandit wrote...

Because we can, deal.

I don't have a problem with it in theory, but when there are four people using sniper rifles as primary weapons on a map it's a bit much.

this is the reason WHY you look at peoples loadouts BEFORE the game... you see multiple people using snipers? use something else. sure you wont be using your "Ideal" setup but you need to learn to adapt and use different weapons...

if I see a dedicated sniper (infiltrator or otherwise) and is using a single shot one (mantis, Widow ect) and I still want to snipe, I use the more battle-rifle/semi auto snipers. they are more flexible than the 'bolt action' ones. you team needs to be flexible to survive (in silver and Gold) 

[sydsyrious]

I thought about using a SR on my AA. But I just can't deal with the extra weight. Would love it if they came out with a weight mod. As it is now, I rarely use a weapon spamming Warp & Throw, then Stasis to give people easy shots. Carnifex does a good job when I need it, but I just don't use it that much.

[tractrpl]

My point is that right now I can kill enemies faster as an asari sniper than I can with any other class, period. That might change if I get better weapons and mods, but for now, my asari sniper is the fastest bad guy killing class I have.

[tractrpl]

cly57 wrote...

I thought about using a SR on my AA. But I just can't deal with the extra weight. Would love it if they came out with a weight mod. As it is now, I rarely use a weapon spamming Warp & Throw, then Stasis to give people easy shots. Carnifex does a good job when I need it, but I just don't use it that much.

Use a mantis with a predator. You have about +68% cooldown with that (I have a mantis iii and a predator iv). With stasis, you can kill any unshielded enemy with a single headshot, two for shielded mid-level enemies like marauder shields or centurians. Spam warp heavy enemies like atlases, geth primes, etc., and hit them with the mantis as fast as you can (which is very slow...)

Edit: with that loadout you can basically kill enemies as fast as you can reload your mantis, and mid-level enemies take twice as long. Which isn't super fast, but faster than spam biotic explosion combos.

Modifié par tractrpl, 09 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[Edalborez]

All snipers not named Javelin, Valiant, or (Black) Widow are relatively light enough to just take the rifle (and maybe a light pistol like Predator or Phalanx) and maintain a high cooldown bonus. If the person knows how to handle it I don't care whether they're an Infiltrator, Vanguard, Adept or what have you.

People have this misconception that you need to be holding still to snipe properly, but I've seen more than a handful of players fall into tunnel vision with non-snipers too. The key is to find a balance between "overwatch" and hunting on the move. Don't assume a SR "gimps" every class and build in the game.

Modifié par Edalborez, 09 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[sydsyrious]

tractrpl wrote...

cly57 wrote...

I thought about using a SR on my AA. But I just can't deal with the extra weight. Would love it if they came out with a weight mod. As it is now, I rarely use a weapon spamming Warp & Throw, then Stasis to give people easy shots. Carnifex does a good job when I need it, but I just don't use it that much.

Use a mantis with a predator. You have about +68% cooldown with that (I have a mantis iii and a predator iv). With stasis, you can kill any unshielded enemy with a single headshot, two for shielded mid-level enemies like marauder shields or centurians. Spam warp heavy enemies like atlases, geth primes, etc., and hit them with the mantis as fast as you can (which is very slow...)

Edit: with that loadout you can basically kill enemies as fast as you can reload your mantis, and mid-level enemies take twice as long. Which isn't super fast, but faster than spam biotic explosion combos.

Hey thanks, I might give that a go tonight on Bronze and see how I do.  I've always tried to keep it at +200% but I don't make as many kills due to setting them up for everyone.

[tractrpl]

cly57 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

cly57 wrote...

I thought about using a SR on my AA. But I just can't deal with the extra weight. Would love it if they came out with a weight mod. As it is now, I rarely use a weapon spamming Warp & Throw, then Stasis to give people easy shots. Carnifex does a good job when I need it, but I just don't use it that much.

Use a mantis with a predator. You have about +68% cooldown with that (I have a mantis iii and a predator iv). With stasis, you can kill any unshielded enemy with a single headshot, two for shielded mid-level enemies like marauder shields or centurians. Spam warp heavy enemies like atlases, geth primes, etc., and hit them with the mantis as fast as you can (which is very slow...)

Edit: with that loadout you can basically kill enemies as fast as you can reload your mantis, and mid-level enemies take twice as long. Which isn't super fast, but faster than spam biotic explosion combos.

Hey thanks, I might give that a go tonight on Bronze and see how I do.  I've always tried to keep it at +200% but I don't make as many kills due to setting them up for everyone.

Yep, and you get zero points for that. That's what's good about an asari sniper. You set it up for you. Sure, someone else COULD steal your shot, but unless your distracted by a husk sneaking up behind you, basically you just freeze and immediately shoot. You can also freeze them while aiming without going out of zoom. So you can basically set up a shot, and freeze them to make sure you don't miss.  Get the "bubble stasis" perk, so you can freeze multiple of them at a time. Given how long it takes to reload the mantis, likely your friends will kill some of them before you can kill all of the ones you've frozen, but that's fine. You're helping them as much as you.

[tractrpl]

I don't quite get the big deal. What the hell is stasis for if it's not to freeze them so you can kill them with some massive ordinance? You don't need stasis to set up the biotic explosion, you might as well use it to kill them with the weapon of your choice, and that weapon might as well be a sniper rifle.

[tractrpl]

Besides, in ME3, sniper rifles are just pistols with a built in scope mod.

Modifié par tractrpl, 09 avril 2012 - 11:53 .

[tractrpl]

Also, Asari's have headshot bonuses. So again, what the hell is stasis for if it gives you headshot bonuses? You CAN use a pistol, but if you get headshot bonuses for using stasis, why not go all the way and use a sniper rifle?

[Agenda42]

tractrpl wrote...

Also, Asari's have headshot bonuses. So again, what the hell is stasis for if it gives you headshot bonuses? You CAN use a pistol, but if you get headshot bonuses for using stasis, why not go all the way and use a sniper rifle?

Mostly it's better to use a pistol because Carnifex is a better sniper rifle than most of the sniper rifles.  Two Carnifex shots add up to a Mantis shot, and the clip on a Carnifex holds 6 and reloads in half the time.  There is essentially nothing a Viper does better than a scoped Carnifex -- less damage, lower rate of fire, more weight, same clip size.  Widow and Black Widow are better sniper rifles than Carnifex, but they have a huge weight compared to the pistol, so they're a no-no for power using classes.

[tractrpl]

Agenda42 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Also, Asari's have headshot bonuses. So again, what the hell is stasis for if it gives you headshot bonuses? You CAN use a pistol, but if you get headshot bonuses for using stasis, why not go all the way and use a sniper rifle?

Mostly it's better to use a pistol because Carnifex is a better sniper rifle than most of the sniper rifles.  Two Carnifex shots add up to a Mantis shot, and the clip on a Carnifex holds 6 and reloads in half the time.  There is essentially nothing a Viper does better than a scoped Carnifex -- less damage, lower rate of fire, more weight, same clip size.  Widow and Black Widow are better sniper rifles than Carnifex, but they have a huge weight compared to the pistol, so they're a no-no for power using classes.

All right, then I'll try Carnifex next time. But, there's satisfaction with one-shot one-kill for me. Also, when enemies take damage they tend to fall down when in stasis. If you can kill them with just one shot, then that might be more efficient then one shot to the head and then you can't hit them cause they fell behind some container or something.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Snipers(mantis x) are very good on the asari adept, salarian engineer, turian sentinel, human engineer at least, on silver. On gold I wouldn't use a sniper on anything other than an infiltrator, allthough I guess a human soldier could get away with using a black widow.

[tractrpl]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Snipers(mantis x) are very good on the asari adept, salarian engineer, turian sentinel, human engineer at least, on silver. On gold I wouldn't use a sniper on anything other than an infiltrator, allthough I guess a human soldier could get away with using a black widow.

Yeah, but I still have a mantis iii. Looks like I'm stuck on bronze until I get better weapons. <_<

[GracefulChicken]

Infiltrators, Soldiers, and Krogan Sentinels are the only classes people should use a sniper rifle on, imho....

Anything else and it really does weigh other people down...

[OhNineTeen]

I use the Black Widow on my Human Soldier & Drell Adept.
Combining the collateral damage of the BW & the biotic grenades the drell throws out, you could potentially control the entire map without ever leaving your cover.

[III Achilles II]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Snipers(mantis x) are very good on the asari adept, salarian engineer, turian sentinel, human engineer at least, on silver. On gold I wouldn't use a sniper on anything other than an infiltrator, allthough I guess a human soldier could get away with using a black widow.

Krogan Solider/Sentinels are amazing with Sniper rifles. 

I run Valiant with Claymore/Revenant and score extremely high. 

I usually end up carrying infiltrators and engineers on Gold.

[Coooodayyee]

I use my Turian Soldier with a Widow.
He reminds me of Garrus
That's why I named him "Garrus 2.0"

[carrmatt91]

i was in a game with a human vanguard with a revanent and a widow before now

[tractrpl]

GracefulChicken wrote...

Infiltrators, Soldiers, and Krogan Sentinels are the only classes people should use a sniper rifle on, imho....

Anything else and it really does weigh other people down...

I don't see how killing your share of bad guys counts as "weighing other people down". People claim that people only use that because they don't know how to use a sniper rifle. Well, I don't care how good you are with a sniper rifle, I don't see how you can kill enemies any FASTER with any other method for low level characters.  If my level 30 N7 rating asari sniper is outscoring level 300 N7 ratings, then how's that my fault? I've found an effecient way to kill bad guys. So what?

[MrDizazta]

because not everyone has the Carnifex.

[tasan]

I generally only use a sniper rifle when playing Infiltrator or Human Soldier. The Human Soldier's adrenaline rush can get you one free round of ammunition while multiple grenades can take out groups of enemies and concussive shot can keep enemies off of you for a bit while you either reload or use adrenaline rush to a. get that free round or b. run/melee/shoot.

[Ravensword]

Yeah, I tend to wonder why non-Infiltrators are using a sniper rifle.

[DaeBlackheart]

My Human Engineer uses a Mantis X and I score top of the list almost every game. With a maxed combat drone to cover you, you can pick a spot that covers most of the map, hit targets with an overload to drop their shields/barriers as well as stun them, then get the headshot.

edit: I have a Widow V as well as all other sniper rifles except the valiant, but I prefer the Mantis because it packs a punch and still gives me quick recharge rates on my overload, which lets me roam if I have to and still be able to keep targets from getting in too close to me while I reload. 

Modifié par DaeBlackheart, 10 avril 2012 - 05:54 .