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[Whatever42]

Jackumzz wrote...

so the problem is that the above choices don't give you some drastically different ending in me3? i'm sorry, but deciding whether the galaxy is left alone with the reapers destroyed, are left with control of the reapers, or are merged with them, seems like a rather large choice to me.

i don't understand how anyone seriously expected everyone to be happy and there to be some unrealistic conclusion to it all considering how difficult it was to just destroy just one reaper. now they're attacking a divided galaxy in the thousands. if anything, we're lucky shepard even succeeds in defeating them. and it's quite ignorant of people to be dismissing everything outside of the ending. there are plenty of things you affect throughout the process of the game with your choices.

and i'm also curious as to how is the galaxy "screwed", exactly? shep and crew are screwed, based on the spoilers, but that doesn't at all apply to the rest of the galaxy. i don't know where that conclusion came from.

i'd say the outcome is fairly positive given the situation.

All the relays are destroyed, regardless of endings. The Normany crew is stranded regardless of ending. Galactic civilization is gone regardless of ending. So all the smaller colonies that need resupply die off. All the large population that rely on trade die off. Imagine if New York were cut off from the rest of the world. Everyone would die. Except the handful who would eat the others until they could get some agriculture going.

A grim ending is fine, given the scope. But when you play ME1 to a heroic ending and play ME2 to a heroic ending only to end up in ME3, where your previous BIG decisions are meaningless to the end state of the galaxy, and there is no real heroic ending, then a lot of people find that understandably disheartening.

[mulder1199]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Jackumzz wrote...

so the problem is that the above choices don't give you some drastically different ending in me3? i'm sorry, but deciding whether the galaxy is left alone with the reapers destroyed, are left with control of the reapers, or are merged with them, seems like a rather large choice to me.

i don't understand how anyone seriously expected everyone to be happy and there to be some unrealistic conclusion to it all considering how difficult it was to just destroy just one reaper. now they're attacking a divided galaxy in the thousands. if anything, we're lucky shepard even succeeds in defeating them. and it's quite ignorant of people to be dismissing everything outside of the ending. there are plenty of things you affect throughout the process of the game with your choices.

and i'm also curious as to how is the galaxy "screwed", exactly? shep and crew are screwed, based on the spoilers, but that doesn't at all apply to the rest of the galaxy. i don't know where that conclusion came from.

i'd say the outcome is fairly positive given the situation.

All the relays are destroyed, regardless of endings. The Normany crew is stranded regardless of ending. Galactic civilization is gone regardless of ending. So all the smaller colonies that need resupply die off. All the large population that rely on trade die off. Imagine if New York were cut off from the rest of the world. Everyone would die. Except the handful who would eat the others until they could get some agriculture going.

A grim ending is fine, given the scope. But when you play ME1 to a heroic ending and play ME2 to a heroic ending only to end up in ME3, where your previous BIG decisions are meaningless to the end state of the galaxy, and there is no real heroic ending, then a lot of people find that understandably disheartening.

that's what i don't get, you've been a heroic in the first 2 and now, meh.....i find it very hard to believe that they didn't think fokls would be upset there was no way to save the galaxy and have a 'return of the jedi' type end, where you celebrate with everybody.....i'm not concerned with the galaxy being in shambles.....i wouldn't even try to get the 'storybook' ending with all my sheps, but at least with a few it would be nice to see i made a difference

[Garrus30]

Just wait until you play it, reviews or let's play videos comes out, this discussing about the ending has come to a ridiculous level, nuff said.

Modifié par Garrus30, 01 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[Whatever42]

Jackumzz wrote...

so you know this happens to the rest of the galaxy for sure? you have proof? or is it simply your assumption? because that's what a whole lot of the forum seems to be doing.

we don't know what happens to the rest of civilisation post-ending. there's no doubt shep's choice has a massive on impact on how they all develop and reconstruct after the battle.

That is a whole other matter. I am operating on the assumptions that the reports of the endings are accurate, yes. Personally, I find that these early reports tend to be accurate.

However, if they are wrong then I am very happy. But I've watched the videos so we know some things to be true - such as the relays being destroyed and the Normandy hurtles through a relay. So there would have to be some serious additional context here for the endings not to be very grim.

[gabewpashere]

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

[ManyDeadCats]

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

[Darth Malice113]

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

 
The Talimancers are not gonna be happy. Nor are the Ceberus labdogs, Alliance stooges, so on and so forth.

[gabewpashere]

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

truthfully i wasnt really around during that time (on the forums i mean). I saw the posts and i believe that people were just going nuts. I am not a crazy tali-mancer, but i do romance tali most of my plathroughs. Dont judge yo!
The main reason why i complain about these complainers complaining about the bad endings, is that I was in afghanistan two years ago and i know what war was/is like. Its not pretty, so when something does go down, whether its a firefight or an IED, something bad happens. The endings where shepard dies just sounds like the hero giving his life for the cause which is great. H.o some people werent in the military. Go look up the game Brothers in Arms, its all there really. We win, but the platoon loses so many of their guys, the leader cracks (PTSD) abd other things go wrong, but it turns out as such a great storyline. Usually the bad endings are the great endings IMO. I will obviously wait until the game releases and i get my one or two plathroughs before i pass judgment. Thats what normal people do. Just for you, i wont romance tali in one of those playthroughs... or will i:bandit:

[YorickMori]

Tesclo wrote...

All this because the game doesn't end with sunshine and bunnies? Seriously? Stop living in fantasy land and understand that everything isn't a fairytale book ending. There are more important things to be pissed off about this game than the ending. Let's try the big FU that Bioware gave to anyone that didn't romance Ashley or the stupid blue alien? Where is Miranda? Oh she's at Cerberus that company that you worked for and now for some magical reason you can't side with anymore. Why? Well because Bioware said so. So yea I could care less about the ending the actual game is going to suck.

Biodrones will drone.

[madhatterwriter]

gabewpashere wrote...

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

truthfully i wasnt really around during that time (on the forums i mean). I saw the posts and i believe that people were just going nuts. I am not a crazy tali-mancer, but i do romance tali most of my plathroughs. Dont judge yo!
The main reason why i complain about these complainers complaining about the bad endings, is that I was in afghanistan two years ago and i know what war was/is like. Its not pretty, so when something does go down, whether its a firefight or an IED, something bad happens. The endings where shepard dies just sounds like the hero giving his life for the cause which is great. H.o some people werent in the military. Go look up the game Brothers in Arms, its all there really. We win, but the platoon loses so many of their guys, the leader cracks (PTSD) abd other things go wrong, but it turns out as such a great storyline. Usually the bad endings are the great endings IMO. I will obviously wait until the game releases and i get my one or two plathroughs before i pass judgment. Thats what normal people do. Just for you, i wont romance tali in one of those playthroughs... or will i:bandit:

I don't think you understand why people are complaining. Making choices and have them count is part of the game play/game mechanics. They are complaining because we have been told the endings would be varied differently and dependent on our choices from the previous two games. What we get are endings that are pretty much the same and our choices moot. It's like, hey here's a game where you can choose to go through different paths in a maze and end in different places with different prizes--oh wait, no you just end up on only one place with only one prize but can choose if comes in red, blue or green colors but still the same damn prize. Who wants to play that game? I'm complaining for what it really is. Outright bad game mechanics.

[Garrus30]

I have watched most of the ending videos, and the ending with color explosion isn't 100% correct.

On END3, there are 3 versions with blue, red and green explosions (Mass Relay).
In every Version you see that the Citadel (I presume) let's out a red or green beam, which destroys the Mass Relay.
However on the blue Version the Citadel closes its arms on both videos (good and bad), the outro shows a blue explosion which destroys the Mass Relay and the Normandy get's caught in it->heavily damaged->stranded, so the same as the other two version.

But, like I said, there are 2 videos which are the same (good and bad), which is high likely that the good version doesn't destroy the Mass Relay, so the Normandy is save (and Shepard).

The ending where the normandy get's stranded (haven't seen it in the video) from the explosion are in the same ending where you can see that shepards alive.

Modifié par Garrus30, 01 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Cirreus]

Am I still buying my Xbox 360 CE N7of ME ? Sure. Am I going to play through it ? Sure.

Am I recommending this series (especially ME2 & 3) anymore ? NO

I am a paying costumer at the end of the day. The most important thing Bioware needs to know is --- I'm telling my friends not to buy this game ---. I've been burned too many times with EA/Bioware. This is my last hoo-ha.

First it's the pre-order DLC, then it's the exclusive DLC, then it's merchandising DLC, then it's other game DLC ... on top of that you can't buy some of it after while. ME2 has DLC you can't buy ... how is that good for business ? There has been no signs of a GOTYE for ME2 (likely none for ME3).

How many people have played ME1 & 2 again perfecting the saves in anticipation for ME3 ? How many hours were sunk in ? Replays or not ... a large amount of time by many fans is invested.

Then leaks come out. Leaks that describe your investment may not stable, it could even be for nothing.

Grim isn't the game endings, it's the journey loyal fans & customers have been baited into.

And what do I have to look forward to ? Future content (DLC) atm is even looking more grim. EA is going to milk the multiplayer component of ME3 to death. I can see an EA excutive stroking his wallet in hopes of ME3/MP being the next CoD Zombie mode.

It's like my only hope is they sell DLC that allows an happy ending. It's just started to sink in now why people are angry with the Ashes DLC & the prothean squad mate. It's a real slap in the face (I'm looking at you Felicia Day & Jessica Chobot). And not just a financial one, but an entire circle of fantasy, gameplay, story, escape, & roleplaying. I've replayed ME1 & 2, bought the art book, pre-ordered, payed for the CE, ... I even had both the Ally & Cerberus SR2 Normandy models (registered I might add). And what do I have to look forward to after my 5 year + investement ? The Soprano's series finale & CoD Zombies:Mass Effect Horde Mode Edition (now with extra DLC drops) ...

The beef at the end of the day is that. I've been sold on this illusion of choice, fun & adventure, but the rides over. That's what the endings are telling me. It's like going on the log flume at an amusement park,... and you know that big finale at the end of the ride. It's that slow & scary climb to the top & the big splash at the bottom. Am I going to get soaked ? Are those people walking by outside the ride going to get soaked ? It's the thrill of that moment at the end. But there is no big splash here. There is the wait in line, the scary climb up, the anticipation, the water misting in the air ... but then ride stops & you get off.

P.S. don't forget redem that Dr. Pepper code for in game DLC ... it's expires before this thread does.

Modifié par Cirreus, 01 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[xtorma]

Jackumzz wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Jackumzz wrote...

mass effect: in every ending sovereign is defeated
mass effect 2: in every ending the collectors are defeated

now we get to choose the fate of the rest of the galaxy and it's some huge issue?

ok..

In ME1, the shape of the universe is pretty different. Heroic Shepard saves the council and galaxy remains ruled by a multi-species confederation or ruthless Shepard dooms the council and humanity rises to the top.

In ME2, Cerberus has a fancy new space station or you thumbed your nose at Cerberus and destroyed it. Smaller scale choice, true.

However, neither of those really matter now, do they? In ME3, the galaxy is screwed. Your crew is screwed. You just get to pick how they're screwed. It would be like having the council die in the end of ME1 or having the council spend their lives as invalids in locked ward.

Not to mention, apparently of your previous choices really matter to the outcome - only the color you picked at the end. 

I'm still hoping that the analysis of those studying the endings is false, mind you. That somehow decisions still matter. That somehow, in context, the good ending feels good. But if what we're reading is true, I fear that its not going to be very satisfying for me.

so the problem is that the above choices don't give you some drastically different ending in me3? i'm sorry, but deciding whether the galaxy is left alone with the reapers destroyed, are left with control of the reapers, or are merged with them, seems like a rather large choice to me.

i don't understand how anyone seriously expected everyone to be happy and there to be some unrealistic conclusion to it all considering how difficult it was to just destroy just one reaper. now they're attacking a divided galaxy in the thousands. if anything, we're lucky shepard even succeeds in defeating them. and it's quite ignorant of people to be dismissing everything outside of the ending. there are plenty of things you affect throughout the process of the game with your choices.

and i'm also curious as to how is the galaxy "screwed", exactly? shep and crew are screwed, based on the spoilers, but that doesn't at all apply to the rest of the galaxy. i don't know where that conclusion came from.

i'd say the outcome is fairly positive given the situation.

I didn't buy the games to play the galaxy , i bought them to play shepard. In the end , i could give a rats ass about the galaxy , The council screwd me , multiple times. if it were allowed i'd have blasted Delan with my newly aquired particle beam weapon as soon as he started ****ing at me. The only thing my shepard cared about is not having his, or his friends digestive system replaced my tech , or thier souls. My reasons for downing the reapers, or trying to were all selfish, and i make no appologies for that.

Now my choices are to either die, which is definatly NOT in my best interest , or to be separated from the only friends I have for the rest of my life.

Honestly , i could have handled it all , if they would have just let me vaporize delan, and stake the councils heads outside the council chambers for all to see.

But nooooo, i HAVE to be all noble ,or turn myself into the very thing ive been fighting against since day one.

I'd rather play mask of the betrayer, with my good pal one of many, and my bald headed squeeze.

[SichoPhiend]

Who knows, maybe Shepard will rescue Master Chief!

But in all honesty, if my only choices is to see the galaxy doomed or have no sense of a personal happy ending by spending the rest of my life stranded with Liara...Then I am personally not happy.

Do I expect everything to be ****** dorey after an invasion by the Reapers, no. Do I expect everyone to survive, no. Do I want the ability, even if I have to play everything just right, to keep my promise to Liara that I will come back, yes.

Unless this is all a hoax, or they release DLC that makes this possible, then this is the last dollar Bioware will receive from me. After all, what is the point of spending money on DLC if I don't get to enjoy the endingof the game it's for? Heck! I'd even be fine with Shepard being rescued by Liara somewhere down the road! But given how little damage control Bioware is doing on this topic (which strongly suggests that people are interpreting things correcctly), I assume any rescue, any sense of a happy ending, will be in the form of fanfics written by people who think like me.

[hitorihanzo]

This is first time that I have considered eliminating all future BioWare games from my "Must Buy" list. And is it me, or are there a lot of people honestly angry at those of us are thinking of not buying BioWare games anymore? Why is that? How does that impact those that will still be loyal BioWare customers? It doesn't. At all.

[Sashimi_taco]

Tesclo wrote...

All this because the game doesn't end with sunshine and bunnies? Seriously? Stop living in fantasy land and understand that everything isn't a fairytale book ending. There are more important things to be pissed off about this game than the ending. Let's try the big FU that Bioware gave to anyone that didn't romance Ashley or the stupid blue alien? Where is Miranda? Oh she's at Cerberus that company that you worked for and now for some magical reason you can't side with anymore. Why? Well because Bioware said so. So yea I could care less about the ending the actual game is going to suck.

But... it's a video game that takes place in a fantasy universe. 

[mulder1199]

SichoPhiend wrote...

Who knows, maybe Shepard will rescue Master Chief!

But in all honesty, if my only choices is to see the galaxy doomed or have no sense of a personal happy ending by spending the rest of my life stranded with Liara...Then I am personally not happy.

Do I expect everything to be ****** dorey after an invasion by the Reapers, no. Do I expect everyone to survive, no. Do I want the ability, even if I have to play everything just right, to keep my promise to Liara that I will come back, yes.

Unless this is all a hoax, or they release DLC that makes this possible, then this is the last dollar Bioware will receive from me. After all, what is the point of spending money on DLC if I don't get to enjoy the endingof the game it's for? Heck! I'd even be fine with Shepard being rescued by Liara somewhere down the road! But given how little damage control Bioware is doing on this topic (which strongly suggests that people are interpreting things correcctly), I assume any rescue, any sense of a happy ending, will be in the form of fanfics written by people who think like me.

agree, day 1 patch that will alter the end, just to not suck SO MUCH would be fine with me...

[GamerrangerX]

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

After I've spent the past two days reading every post and every page from this thread up to page 212, all my hopes and doubts for the better were crushed. You may think I'm crazy but I say I'm deeply emotionally connected to the immensive great story and characters from ME1-2. BW took heavy risks with these endings, but the prize? Life is too short to pressing on hopes for future DLC and for it to make any possible differences in the outcome. Thank you BW for providing all the wonderful experiences from the past two games in the franchise. I will always remember ME as one of my greatest role-playing experience, and I hope you never lose that touch!
I have no choice but to cancel my ME3 digital CE pre-order. This is not a threat or a joke. This is simply a result of a dissapointed fan and paying customer, perhaps it's something to think about from a marketing perspective. I believe the amount of money and the 100+ hours of my time would be more wisely spent on another game that provides better entertainment value. Life is already a hardship. Please understand that I have little tolerance for a depressed conclusion in a video game, especially that I've spent hundreds of hours in building the best possible outcomes from ME1-2. I thought ME is all about making your choice? Where is my choice for all the hardwork I've done in the past? I believe the majority of fans speak louder than the group of writers-market driven.
Thanks for the wake up call, perhaps it's time to pick up where I left off from Guild Wars (2).
XT

keep up your CE man,and download the game from the bay,try it and if you like it go buy quickly your CE

[panamakira]

Hell no. I'm going to at least play once. I'm going to try to play everything, get every mission, anything that might give me an appropriate ending to my Shep's journey, if it's hidden somewhere where the people couldn't mine the files. Otherwise, well, at least I played it once for the sake of ME 1+2.

Won't be able to touch the series for a long time though.

[Acrylium]

I'll cancel my pre-order too. I wanted to play ME3 beacause of the story, but a even a brilliant story is worthless if the ending is bad.

[SovereignWillReturn]

DifferentD17 wrote...

It's hard to reply your comment is full of so much emotion that is what every "fan" should feel like if all the choices are taken away of us.

I wish I could say I'm canceling it as well, but I feel too involved not to see how other things turn out, but I will say if this is the ending I will be furious and I will be rating it badly on every site possible. I will never buy a Bioware game again, and will encourage my friends not to as well

^This

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

 
The Talimancers are not gonna be happy. Nor are the Ceberus labdogs, Alliance stooges, so on and so forth.

Whaddya mean? I've heard Tali and Garrus die... of starvation? Who else dies? (and, any links?)

[Marta Rio]

Mr. Woo closed my thread, so I'll just add my voice to the ones here.

I didn't care much for the leaked endings, so I canceled my pre-order of the collector's edition. If it turns out the leaked info is erroneous/incomplete, I'll be the first one to buy a new copy of the standard edition (plus the day-one DLC).

And If Bioware takes our complaints to heart and releases a DLC that modifies/adds endings, then I'll buy it, along with a new copy of the game.