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[WeWant]

 

MakeMineMako wrote...

Kuriiiiiii wrote...

Pathetic. Grow up and walk into the real world.

It's not all sunshine and rainbows. You think that any war we've ever had ended "happily" lots of people died. Granted this is a video game and on the grand scale of things people that die in war deserve a lot more respect, Bioware stated a long time ago the endings won't be happy.

you people would have still moaned and ****ed if the ending was "Oh yeah, we kicked the reapers ass now we live in peace"

This is, as you point out, a video game. Entertainment and escapism. Not the real world. 

Nowadays, people are too f**cking nihilistic, to the point where they want doom and gloom in all facets of their lives. They justify this by saying they want more "realism"  or "shades of gray" in their entertainment. There was a time when people would go see a good movie with the themes of good triumping over evil, read a book about heroes and villians, or listen to uplifting music to brighten their spirits. Now, it's mostly "anti-heroes" and stories/music/scripts focusing on dark themes.

There are people today, with things being like they are, who still desire happy endings. However, they are not being delusional, immature, or the proverbial osterich with it's head in the sand. They understand that the world isn't all "sunshine and rainbows" as many here like to point out. It's more like a mental vacation to, as they used to say, "get away from it all" for a little bit.

If there are no classical uplifting themes, where the hero triumps and "lives happily ever after" as a reward for his/her efforts, in the endings, then many people will be upset that they don't have that option. And their complaints are no less legimate or mature just because people disagree with them.

And I happen to agree with them to a point. If I play a paragon Shepard, who's a classical, cookie-cutter, space opera pulp hero, then I look to achieve a fitting ending for my hero. Not railroaded into some new age trash "transhumanist" ending, just because the developers want to push the "rapture for nerds" (technological singualrity). Mass Effect isn't some deep, thought provoking philosophical drama. It's "beer and pretzles" science fiction, like Star Wars and Battletech. 

As much work has been put into Mass Effect 3 by Bioware (based how good the game looks), there could have been a better diversity in the endings (assuming that the known endings are the only endings, and it's looking more and more like it the more I read). There could have been an ending to half-way satisfy most people (but not all), both the dark and moody crowd and the folks wanting positive escapism.  

In any case, I'm not dropping my pre-order. I'm a completionist and I want closure on my Shepard's story, for good or ill. 

Anyway, these are just my opinions. Others will differ. 

Rant mode off. Have a nice thread. 

100% Happy endings are predicable and makes the other endings useless.
You don't get to be sso much emotionally involved when you see Garrus dying at the end of ME2 because you know that you CAN save them.

Not saying that I like ME3 endings.
The best endings are the "grey shaded" ones. Deus Ex, Fallout, RDR..

Modifié par WeWant, 01 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Geirahod]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

 
The Talimancers are not gonna be happy. Nor are the Ceberus labdogs, Alliance stooges, so on and so forth.

Whaddya mean? I've heard Tali and Garrus die... of starvation? Who else dies? (and, any links?)

Since spoilers are allowed.

Tali jumps of a cliff in her homeworld....that's the fate of you all talimancers....Your price is seeing your favourite character committing suicide.


Nice, doesnt it?

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Acrylium wrote...

I'll cancel my pre-order too. I wanted to play ME3 beacause of the story, but a even a brilliant story is worthless if the ending is bad.

Just did and canceled my 2 pre-orders (360 & PC CEs). Voting with your wallet is the only thing companies understand/ care about and BW won't see single buck from me ever again <_<

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Geirahod wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

 
The Talimancers are not gonna be happy. Nor are the Ceberus labdogs, Alliance stooges, so on and so forth.

Whaddya mean? I've heard Tali and Garrus die... of starvation? Who else dies? (and, any links?)

Since spoilers are allowed.

Tali jumps of a cliff in her homeworld....that's the fate of you all talimancers....Your price is seeing your favourite character committing suicide.


Nice, doesnt it?

I know that happens... but I thought that was optional? Only if you side with the geth or something? I'm not sure.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Shin-Anubis wrote...

Acrylium wrote...

I'll cancel my pre-order too. I wanted to play ME3 beacause of the story, but a even a brilliant story is worthless if the ending is bad.

Just did and canceled my 2 pre-orders (360 & PC CEs). Voting with your wallet is the only thing companies understand/ care about and BW won't see single buck from me ever again <_<

I support voting with your wallet, and it's your choice, but of all the reasons: multiplayer, EA, day 1 DLC, EA, Dragon Age 2, David Silverman, EA... it's just the ending?

[Geirahod]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Geirahod wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

 
The Talimancers are not gonna be happy. Nor are the Ceberus labdogs, Alliance stooges, so on and so forth.

Whaddya mean? I've heard Tali and Garrus die... of starvation? Who else dies? (and, any links?)

Since spoilers are allowed.

Tali jumps of a cliff in her homeworld....that's the fate of you all talimancers....Your price is seeing your favourite character committing suicide.


Nice, doesnt it?

I know that happens... but I thought that was optional? Only if you side with the geth or something? I'm not sure.

Yes, but I doubt you will have any chance...since it seems very difficult to try to persuade both quarians and geth, you will need a higher amount of points to do it....

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Geirahod wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

ManyDeadCats wrote...

gabewpashere wrote...

 OP is a disappointed fan of a unreleased game lolololololololol :D:D:D
how about you complainers wait until the game comes out, watch a playthrough (there will be dozens on youtube) and then make your assessment. These forums these days are full of complainers.:D:D:D:D:D

Judging from your signature, I think YOUR KIND may be one of the biggest whiners after the game is released. Tali Waifu noooooooo!

 
The Talimancers are not gonna be happy. Nor are the Ceberus labdogs, Alliance stooges, so on and so forth.

Whaddya mean? I've heard Tali and Garrus die... of starvation? Who else dies? (and, any links?)

Since spoilers are allowed.

Tali jumps of a cliff in her homeworld....that's the fate of you all talimancers....Your price is seeing your favourite character committing suicide.


Nice, doesnt it?

I know that happens... but I thought that was optional? Only if you side with the geth or something? I'm not sure.

Correct. Unless there's 2 Talis.

[Elite Midget]

loungeshep wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Did the 'ZOMG ENDINGSZGRARGH!' thing kill the "BOYCOTT CUZ A DLC!' thing?

No the "BOYCOTT CUZ A DLC" thing is still in full swing. I'm just adding reasons not to ever buy this garbage. The newest reason is "OMG IS WORSE THAN DA2".

I actually like DA2, or at least that's what I tell myself, whereas I got frustrated with the fighting mechanics and sold the stupid thing and put htat money towards my ME3 CE pre order.

I would say what have you learned but apparantly you haven't learned a thing.... DAII was bad for you but you traded it in for ME3 where the leaks are pointingt owards it being just as bad as DAII was. Confusing some of you are.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 01 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[aries1001]

Warning: some spoilers about PS:T and NWN2 endings...

My problem with the leaked endings - if they're true indeed - is not that they're sad, or that they don't show the happy unicorn ending many of us wants; it is rather the opposite - maybe. And by that I mean, every since the ending in Planescape: Torment, developers seem to have yearned or longed for creating a similar self sacrifice ending. To me the ending of ME3 (if they're indeed true) seems to go this way as well. And the Normandy stranded? A similar ending can be found in NWN2....

edit:

Like I said in the now 225+ pages thread the endings in ME 3 sounds like they're open endings, not closed endings. And to me, personally, this is much better than closed endings, means that we as players get to use our imagination on what happens further...

Modifié par aries1001, 01 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[The Makatak]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Shin-Anubis wrote...

Acrylium wrote...

I'll cancel my pre-order too. I wanted to play ME3 beacause of the story, but a even a brilliant story is worthless if the ending is bad.

Just did and canceled my 2 pre-orders (360 & PC CEs). Voting with your wallet is the only thing companies understand/ care about and BW won't see single buck from me ever again <_<

I support voting with your wallet, and it's your choice, but of all the reasons: multiplayer, EA, day 1 DLC, EA, Dragon Age 2, David Silverman, EA... it's just the ending?

It's a lot of things. Most of the time, people will only cite the straw that broke their back.

Exchanging Jack Wall for Clint Mansell, exchanging Wrex for a sentimental puppy, day 1 DLC (the specifics of), all the things you listed, the leaked endings, the deus ex machina, the storytelling that rivals Stephanie Meyer in terms of its juvenile concept of "emotional weight", like how they keep banging over our head the idea that, oh my god, children and lovers will die.

Say what you will about its gameplay, but from an advertising standpoint, Halo: Reach's live-action shorts before the game dropped were incredibly gripping because they were real people entirely ignorant to the doom that approached, not blond-haired, blue-eyed children in sunflower fields staring their doom in the face. Bioware left behind their old-school sci-fi nods and high-fives for what they felt was a more "epic" and "emotional" presentation, and in so doing undid many of the small details that made Mass Effect an amazing experience in favor of a game that now borders on melodrama and cliché. They exchanged the nail-biting thrill of a hitchcock film with the sex appeal and "torture porn" of Final Destination. I just saw a mock trailer on Youtube that crossed Jersey Shore audio with imagery from ME3, and I can't help but feel that, between combat scenarios, that's not entirely inaccurate.

...I can't believe I just equated ME1 and ME2 to a hitchcock film. But, really, when it comes to quality, they've fallen that far. But, I've never been a Final Destination fan, and since I don't really see ME3 as containing the things I bought ME1 and 2 for, I probably won't buy ME3. And if I do, it'll be when it drops down to a price where I can get the game + the DLCs for $60 or less. I won't pay full-game price for an incomplete package.

[Subject One]

I think that most people wanted their own 'wedding' ending. It will not happen. Just get over it.

Anyway, it seems that the 'preorder cancelled' people are not interested in Mordin/ Wrex and the genophage, the war between Quarians and Geth, or the possible revelations about the Protheans.

The only thing that I can say is that I can't wait to experience the whole 25+ hours myself, even if in the end Sheppard awakes and all is a f***ing dream.

[Hypnotix0000]

Personally, I'm still getting my copy. I know the ending discussion has been very back and forth, and I think it's a wait and see situation for me, but what's wrong with having a "good ending".

And I don't mean Disney style sunshine-rainbowland, I actually think the survivors should equal about 4% of total life previous to the war. Most planets are totally glassed from the invasion, maybe even the Citadel can go, but it's over. The crew of the Normandy shouldn't come through unscathed either. Permanent scars, maiming and even psychological damage should be considered.

The Reapers die, and life begins the slow recovery over (likely) centuries or millennia. That is my "best ending", is that so bad as compared to what we have right now?

There is a sense of escapism in games like this and even though the real world can be bleak, do we really need to pull all the gloom into our fiction too. It IS fiction, yes, but shouldn't that give us the right to at least enjoy it?

Investing six years worth of time building up to have everything amount to total annihilation or total isolation, doesn't really sit well. The galaxy will move on, but it feels rather disappointing having no real validation for stopping galactic genocide, just a "great job, there's still life at the cost of every major character you know".

It feels like Bioware overestimated their "choices matter" campaign in regards to how it affects the endgame, with so many variables and all the possibilities to flesh out that didn't make it into the end, it feels like corners were cut to reach budget/deadline. Another example of unique studios being destroyed by the larger ones after "absorbing them", and it actually hurts to see it happen to a group I've enjoyed a great deal of content from, going back to KOTOR through DA:O.

Ranting over, feeling better.
That's all I'll say on it, my opinion only. Ignore it, or don't.

[logan23tom78]

I have not read anything about the endings ,..don't want to spoil it,..But I personally never expected the final endings would be happy ones but ones where there were sacrifices. Civilizations in my eyes will be destroyed or broken due to the final attack by the Reapers and ...I look at it as it was hard to get in ME2 Shepard dies ending...so in ME3 I expect if he does survive it will be the hardest ending to get and even then there are going to be casualties.

To me I'm interested in how the galaxy will turn out since I have come to terms that Shepard has a high possibility that he will not survive but from this death and battle we can see what came from our choices and sacrifices.

It sounds like ME3 is going for a deeper personal journey of reflection where struggle with accepting one's mortality and the chance you just might not break the cycle and if you do who will be left, the survivors.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's please cut out the swearing, insults, and name-calling from the discussion, please. We can (and should be able to) disagree with each other without being jerkfaces. Thank you.

[VictorLaw]

All Mass Effect games only have one ending. Anybody who bought into the notion that ME3 would be any different is a fool.

[Ianamus]

Well, I was really unhappy with the endings. Loads of things that made no sense and seemed to be thrown in just to make it as depressing as possible. I was still going to keep my preorder and play it through though.

Then GAME cancelled my Colectors Edition preorder, along with everyone else's in the UK. <_<

I'm so pissed about it all I haven't bothered to order it again yet. It's like they are trying to put me off buying the game as much as possible.

Modifié par EJ107, 01 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Confused-Shepard]

Thank You for the Gay Sex. Clearly more important than a proper ending, epilogue, closure etc!

[DrNavi]

personally i'm going to go back to finish Zelda and Assassins Creed, I may buy a pre-owned version but I am certainly not buying a new version

[Elite Midget]

hawat333 wrote...

Yeah, go, go away, and cry in your dark little corner.
I don't care.
We don't care.
BioWare doesn't care.

You judjge a whole game from a text summary of an ending. That tells more about you than it does about the game, actually.

I sometimes wonder why such bitter strangers like you have to try and ran on everyones parade.

[Elite Midget]

Subject One wrote...

I think that most people wanted their own 'wedding' ending. It will not happen. Just get over it.

Anyway, it seems that the 'preorder cancelled' people are not interested in Mordin/ Wrex and the genophage, the war between Quarians and Geth, or the possible revelations about the Protheans.

The only thing that I can say is that I can't wait to experience the whole 25+ hours myself, even if in the end Sheppard awakes and all is a f***ing dream.

In your opinion that's backed by no facts and based off your own assumption because you're bitter and refuse to even listen to the many that are angry if the laeks prove true.

[MrAtomica]

Anyone who has read the leaks should post something to this effect in every thread, since there are always some people who insist we are lying:

The leaks are true. We know this by cross-referencing from various sources. The script, actual players, and .bik videos from the game directory are all widely available. They all confirm what we are saying.

[Perkocet13]

you could always rent it, and if your not happy with it, don't buy it... simple

Modifié par Perkocet13, 01 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[Sashimi_taco]

MrAtomica wrote...

Anyone who has read the leaks should post something to this effect in every thread, since there are always some people who insist we are lying:

The leaks are true. We know this by cross-referencing from various sources. The script, actual players, and .bik videos from the game directory are all widely available. They all confirm what we are saying.

The only person who says the normandy is stranded on a distant planet every time is Xio but he doesn't show any proof. The origional script doesn't say that, tank doesn't say that, and the prima guy doesn't say that. In fact the Prima guy said that there was a happy golden ending. The cross referencing works somewhat but there have been multiple cases where they actually DIDN'T match up.

[Whatever42]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The only person who says the normandy is stranded on a distant planet every time is Xio but he doesn't show any proof. The origional script doesn't say that, tank doesn't say that, and the prima guy doesn't say that. In fact the Prima guy said that there was a happy golden ending. The cross referencing works somewhat but there have been multiple cases where they actually DIDN'T match up.

No, we don't know 100%. Xio can't have played all endings. Tank might not have seen all endings in his testing. People who mined the files for movies and sound files, which confirmed Xio and Tank, might have missed something. The leaked script, which matches up to the leaks, might be missing something.

And to some people, Shep surviving (never knowing the fate of his crew, probably assuming they are dead) and the Normandy crew surviving (although stranded) is a happy ending. For most us, that's a pretty bleak ending, though. But I hope someone finds a happy ending in there somewhere - well more bittersweet than wholly bitter anyway.

[ninjaNumber1]

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

If Bioware had to account for every single possible permutation and produce a different ending, that would be ridiculous. In fact, most choices in life don't even end up providing a unique outcome for each choice.

So to be honest, I think people need to really calm down and accept the ending. The story of commander Shepard was not YOUR story. It was the story BioWare wanted to tell. You just merely experience it by making different choices that they decided to allow. But inevitably, you still reach the endings they want you to have. Not the ones YOU want to have.

Your story is the one you are living right now.

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 01 mars 2012 - 09:21 .