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[ninjaNumber1]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The only person who says the normandy is stranded on a distant planet every time is Xio but he doesn't show any proof. The origional script doesn't say that, tank doesn't say that, and the prima guy doesn't say that. In fact the Prima guy said that there was a happy golden ending. The cross referencing works somewhat but there have been multiple cases where they actually DIDN'T match up.

No, we don't know 100%. Xio can't have played all endings. Tank might not have seen all endings in his testing. People who mined the files for movies and sound files, which confirmed Xio and Tank, might have missed something. The leaked script, which matches up to the leaks, might be missing something.

And to some people, Shep surviving (never knowing the fate of his crew, probably assuming they are dead) and the Normandy crew surviving (although stranded) is a happy ending. For most us, that's a pretty bleak ending, though. But I hope someone finds a happy ending in there somewhere - well more bittersweet than wholly bitter anyway.

For all we know, BW anticipated the possibility that people will mine the files and spoil for everyone so they had planned to release the GOOD ending via a patch on day one

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 01 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Barheet1]

If you are so angry about ME3, why come in here moaning about it? Just vote with your wallet. If you don't like the series, don't buy it.

Me...I love the series and will be voting with my wallet by purchasing the CE and every DLC that is available. That's how I roll.

[Dark Specie]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

True, you could not change that you always defeat the colelctors and so forth. But you COULD get your team unscratched though the Suicide Mission as well as reunite with them, assuming you worked hard enough at it. Here alas, things are far worse. Hard work isn't going to pay off by much, because the same thing always happens no amtter what ending we get. That wasn't the case in ME2 at least.

[mulder1199]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Anyone who has read the leaks should post something to this effect in every thread, since there are always some people who insist we are lying:

The leaks are true. We know this by cross-referencing from various sources. The script, actual players, and .bik videos from the game directory are all widely available. They all confirm what we are saying.

The only person who says the normandy is stranded on a distant planet every time is Xio but he doesn't show any proof. The origional script doesn't say that, tank doesn't say that, and the prima guy doesn't say that. In fact the Prima guy said that there was a happy golden ending. The cross referencing works somewhat but there have been multiple cases where they actually DIDN'T match up.

if this was the case i'd be totally content, don't even need the 'golden, happy ending' to be all that great....just better than what we've seen.....

[Acrylium]

Have fun with the Omega-DLC. Saving Omega just to let it suffer and die later. It's a space-station in a star system without habitable planets, remeber?

[mulder1199]

Dark Specie wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

True, you could not change that you always defeat the colelctors and so forth. But you COULD get your team unscratched though the Suicide Mission as well as reunite with them, assuming you worked hard enough at it. Here alas, things are far worse. Hard work isn't going to pay off by much, because the same thing always happens no amtter what ending we get. That wasn't the case in ME2 at least.

it's almost like they said, in ME2 the harder you worked, the more people survived....we better not do that again....

[Whatever42]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

If Bioware had to account for every single possible permutation and produce a different ending, that would be ridiculous. In fact, most choices in life don't even end up providing a unique outcome for each choice.

So to be honest, I think people need to really calm down and accept the ending. The story of commander Shepard was not YOUR story. It was the story BioWare wanted to tell. You just merely experience it by making different choices that they decided to allow. But inevitably, you still reach the endings they want you to have. Not the ones YOU want to have.

Your story is the one you are living right now.

Bioware games never have choice in the main plot. You will destroy the forge. You will destroy Sovereign. You will eliminate the Collector base.

The choice has always been somewhat illusionary - its been in the shape of that victory. Did you destroy the forge as a dark lord and become Darth Revan once more? Or did you stay lightside and become a hero of the Republic? Did you let the council die and have humanity take over? Or did you save the council, leaving the galaxy a multi-species coalition?

And its been about the romances. Did you hook up with Bastilla? Did you give up godhood for Jeira? 

And the characters. What happened to Carth? Or Minsc?

At the end of ME3, there are shapes but all grimdark. Galactic civilization is shattered. Your crew is dead or marooned. Sure, there are some shapes like everyone is merged with machines but unlike previous Bioware games, all endings are grimdark. It's like Bioware was suffering from Halo envy.

[Dark Specie]

mulder1199 wrote...
it's almost like they said, in ME2 the harder you worked, the more people survived....we better not do that again....

It's a concept they seem to have abandoned, indeed.

In ME2: Work your ass off doing Loyality missions, getting all kinds of upgrades and so foth and you can take your team largely unscratched thoguh this.

In ME3: Work your ass off doing side-missions and collecting War Assets, getting the GAW up and so forth and... Same thing happens as when you don't.

Modifié par Dark Specie, 01 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[MrAtomica]

mulder1199 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

True, you could not change that you always defeat the colelctors and so forth. But you COULD get your team unscratched though the Suicide Mission as well as reunite with them, assuming you worked hard enough at it. Here alas, things are far worse. Hard work isn't going to pay off by much, because the same thing always happens no amtter what ending we get. That wasn't the case in ME2 at least.

it's almost like they said, in ME2 the harder you worked, the more people survived....we better not do that again....

The Prima guy claimed that there was a NG+ happy ending. He was wrong. Xoisite has already confirmed that he played through again; no new ending was found. As to the other points, yeah, I can agree to an extent. The spoilers aren't concrete proof, but I'm willing to believe them regardless.

If Bioware does release the other endings by patch, this would be a large download. I'm just not convinced that it would be a practical solution. DLC I can see happening, but not a Day 1 patch. That would be a first.

Of course, if I am wrong, no worries. I would love to be wrong. I am still buying this game, and I'll still likely enjoy the trip through it. All that I, and many others, are saying is that we ought to be given an option for some sort of positive resolution to the series we've invested our time into. Keep the endings as they are now, but also give happier choices. Win-win.

[royard]

MrAtomica wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

True, you could not change that you always defeat the colelctors and so forth. But you COULD get your team unscratched though the Suicide Mission as well as reunite with them, assuming you worked hard enough at it. Here alas, things are far worse. Hard work isn't going to pay off by much, because the same thing always happens no amtter what ending we get. That wasn't the case in ME2 at least.

it's almost like they said, in ME2 the harder you worked, the more people survived....we better not do that again....

The Prima guy claimed that there was a NG+ happy ending. He was wrong. Xoisite has already confirmed that he played through again; no new ending was found. As to the other points, yeah, I can agree to an extent. The spoilers aren't concrete proof, but I'm willing to believe them regardless.

If Bioware does release the other endings by patch, this would be a large download. I'm just not convinced that it would be a practical solution. DLC I can see happening, but not a Day 1 patch. That would be a first.

Of course, if I am wrong, no worries. I would love to be wrong. I am still buying this game, and I'll still likely enjoy the trip through it. All that I, and many others, are saying is that we ought to be given an option for some sort of positive resolution to the series we've invested our time into. Keep the endings as they are now, but also give happier choices. Win-win.

There's no way they could do day 1 patch.  Rendering stuff takes time.  I'm still buying the game, and I'm still buying all DLC of this game.  The gameplay and multiplayer are both excellent, and I think I will enjoy it. 

But if they don't fix this ending (if the endings we know are real and complete), then I'm only buying universally-acclaimed bioware games when steam has its 75% sales.  I got my ME2 digital deluxe at $8 that way. 

[me12343455]

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[Olueq]

Elite Midget wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Yeah, go, go away, and cry in your dark little corner.
I don't care.
We don't care.
BioWare doesn't care.

You judjge a whole game from a text summary of an ending. That tells more about you than it does about the game, actually.

I sometimes wonder why such bitter strangers like you have to try and ran on everyones parade.

You are talking to an idiot.

[Stokie Stallion]

Just because the end isn't jolly to be honest i never wanted it to me i wanting die fighting with the pixel crew i got to love over the past years i want tears stream down my face to give my life for the galaxy no matter how it ends i'll see it threw that is what i've always planned since i saw mass effect 3 advertised

[recentio]

Stokie Stallion wrote...

Just because the end isn't jolly to be honest i never wanted it to me i wanting die fighting with the pixel crew i got to love over the past years i want tears stream down my face to give my life for the galaxy no matter how it ends i'll see it threw that is what i've always planned since i saw mass effect 3 advertised

And you will get that. Lucky you.

The rest of us want to enjoy an alternative ending where Shep and his crew & LI are not destined to never see each other again. Giving us another ending like this won't take your dark endings away! And, it would make twice as many people happy.

[SpideyKnight]

So you spoiled the ending for yourself, and it isn't whatever you wanted it to be. Newsflash, you are one person out of millions. Can't please them all and for you to expect that the ending would be your own perfect fantasy is supremely selfish and short-sighted. Also don't watch Japanese anime or play jrpg's. Not being able to take a "sad" ending is extremely childish along with a host of other mental deficiencies. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows, logic would dictate that the galaxy wouldn't be either.

[xtorma]

SpideyKnight wrote...

So you spoiled the ending for yourself, and it isn't whatever you wanted it to be. Newsflash, you are one person out of millions. Can't please them all and for you to expect that the ending would be your own perfect fantasy is supremely selfish and short-sighted. Also don't watch Japanese anime or play jrpg's. Not being able to take a "sad" ending is extremely childish along with a host of other mental deficiencies. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows, logic would dictate that the galaxy wouldn't be either.

Hope that made you feel good.

[Cirreus]

SpideyKnight wrote...

So you spoiled the ending for yourself, and it isn't whatever you wanted it to be. Newsflash, you are one person out of millions. Can't please them all and for you to expect that the ending would be your own perfect fantasy is supremely selfish and short-sighted. Also don't watch Japanese anime or play jrpg's. Not being able to take a "sad" ending is extremely childish along with a host of other mental deficiencies. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows, logic would dictate that the galaxy wouldn't be either.

People that would want only the endings provided are a minority. There isn't just one person posting a lonely thread about "hey, I'm boycotting this game because the Hanar I allowed to preach in ME1 on the presidium got kicked off the station in ME3". There is constant buzz about dissapointment. It's important to say "Hey Bioware/EA, this sucks!" if it does suck. And sucking it's a doing. If Bioware (months/years ago mind you) told everyone it's only going to end badly, but it's going to be a great jumping off point for spins offs (other games or MMO's) that would be one thing. Where is that ? We don't have it. What we have is called "being sh*t on".

[txgoldrush]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

If Bioware had to account for every single possible permutation and produce a different ending, that would be ridiculous. In fact, most choices in life don't even end up providing a unique outcome for each choice.

So to be honest, I think people need to really calm down and accept the ending. The story of commander Shepard was not YOUR story. It was the story BioWare wanted to tell. You just merely experience it by making different choices that they decided to allow. But inevitably, you still reach the endings they want you to have. Not the ones YOU want to have.

Your story is the one you are living right now.

In Bioware games you usually have NO CHOICE....

Funny, how no one complains about the lack of choice and consquence in the early Bioware games......must be that shallow black and white morality meters clouding their minds.

Nevermind that DAO is also a variation of 2 endings, with sloppy ending cards thrown in because they can't be bothered to show the consquences during the game.

[txgoldrush]

Dark Specie wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

True, you could not change that you always defeat the colelctors and so forth. But you COULD get your team unscratched though the Suicide Mission as well as reunite with them, assuming you worked hard enough at it. Here alas, things are far worse. Hard work isn't going to pay off by much, because the same thing always happens no amtter what ending we get. That wasn't the case in ME2 at least.

You CAN get Earth destroyed, you CAN get Shep killed, you CAN get your squad including your LI killed in the battle, you CAN get the crew of the Normandy killed.....

[txgoldrush]

Dark Specie wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...
it's almost like they said, in ME2 the harder you worked, the more people survived....we better not do that again....

It's a concept they seem to have abandoned, indeed.

In ME2: Work your ass off doing Loyality missions, getting all kinds of upgrades and so foth and you can take your team largely unscratched thoguh this.

In ME3: Work your ass off doing side-missions and collecting War Assets, getting the GAW up and so forth and... Same thing happens as when you don't.

No, Sword burns, Hammer fails, squad killed, Earth destroyed, Green ending unattainable, Shep killed, and the normandy crew killed

vs

Sword successful, Hammer successful, Earth saved, party survives, Shep has possibilty to live, Crew survives, stranded, but lives on among companionship.

You are just plain WRONG.

[txgoldrush]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

If Bioware had to account for every single possible permutation and produce a different ending, that would be ridiculous. In fact, most choices in life don't even end up providing a unique outcome for each choice.

So to be honest, I think people need to really calm down and accept the ending. The story of commander Shepard was not YOUR story. It was the story BioWare wanted to tell. You just merely experience it by making different choices that they decided to allow. But inevitably, you still reach the endings they want you to have. Not the ones YOU want to have.

Your story is the one you are living right now.

Bioware games never have choice in the main plot. You will destroy the forge. You will destroy Sovereign. You will eliminate the Collector base.

The choice has always been somewhat illusionary - its been in the shape of that victory. Did you destroy the forge as a dark lord and become Darth Revan once more? Or did you stay lightside and become a hero of the Republic? Did you let the council die and have humanity take over? Or did you save the council, leaving the galaxy a multi-species coalition?

And its been about the romances. Did you hook up with Bastilla? Did you give up godhood for Jeira? 

And the characters. What happened to Carth? Or Minsc?

At the end of ME3, there are shapes but all grimdark. Galactic civilization is shattered. Your crew is dead or marooned. Sure, there are some shapes like everyone is merged with machines but unlike previous Bioware games, all endings are grimdark. It's like Bioware was suffering from Halo envy.

Or that it is a dark sci fi universe and the ending fits the game....ever thought of this.

What was so idiotic about KOTOR (which the original Star Wars has the same mistake) is that billions of people are killed in planetary destruction and no one cares. It was just a scene in a New Hope, or in KOTOR, it just glossed over later.

Lets not forget that stupid light side ending in KOTOR, where they have a party, even though while they win the war, billions of people were killed.

This series is NOT Star Wars, its NOT Star Ocean. It far more mature and far darker, peoples lives and deaths actually matter.

[Spikko]

txgoldrush wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Why is everyone complaining about choice vs endings? In Mass Effect 1, you defeated sovereign, you had NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 1, Saren also died, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. In Mass Effect 2, you went and defeated the collectors, YOU HAD NO CHOICE. Also, you WORKED for Cerberus, you had NO CHOICE.

Now, all of a sudden, you want freedom of CHOICE that you never had? You should be thankful for BW for successfully creating an illusion of choice for you in the previous games while the things that mattered the most in the past two games were never up for choice. You just did it. What was different was HOW you did it.

Same goes for the Mass Effect 3 ending. The ending is not really a choice. You are just given an illusion.

If Bioware had to account for every single possible permutation and produce a different ending, that would be ridiculous. In fact, most choices in life don't even end up providing a unique outcome for each choice.

So to be honest, I think people need to really calm down and accept the ending. The story of commander Shepard was not YOUR story. It was the story BioWare wanted to tell. You just merely experience it by making different choices that they decided to allow. But inevitably, you still reach the endings they want you to have. Not the ones YOU want to have.

Your story is the one you are living right now.

Bioware games never have choice in the main plot. You will destroy the forge. You will destroy Sovereign. You will eliminate the Collector base.

The choice has always been somewhat illusionary - its been in the shape of that victory. Did you destroy the forge as a dark lord and become Darth Revan once more? Or did you stay lightside and become a hero of the Republic? Did you let the council die and have humanity take over? Or did you save the council, leaving the galaxy a multi-species coalition?

And its been about the romances. Did you hook up with Bastilla? Did you give up godhood for Jeira? 

And the characters. What happened to Carth? Or Minsc?

At the end of ME3, there are shapes but all grimdark. Galactic civilization is shattered. Your crew is dead or marooned. Sure, there are some shapes like everyone is merged with machines but unlike previous Bioware games, all endings are grimdark. It's like Bioware was suffering from Halo envy.

Or that it is a dark sci fi universe and the ending fits the game....ever thought of this.

What was so idiotic about KOTOR (which the original Star Wars has the same mistake) is that billions of people are killed in planetary destruction and no one cares. It was just a scene in a New Hope, or in KOTOR, it just glossed over later.

Lets not forget that stupid light side ending in KOTOR, where they have a party, even though while they win the war, billions of people were killed.

This series is NOT Star Wars, its NOT Star Ocean. It far more mature and far darker, peoples lives and deaths actually matter.

I can't agree more with everything you wrote, people just wanted the butterflies ending with their LI and this game will just bee too ralistic and mature for them to endure.
ZOMGNOTALIKISSINGINSUNSET, ZOMGNOBLUECHILDWITHLIARA.

The reaper invasion is a terrific threath for the whole universe, I think a gray ending is just fitting for this wonderful saga.
But I suppose that people will always want the party in the woods with the ewoks where everyone is happy.

[Astralify]

Cirreus wrote...

Am I still buying my Xbox 360 CE N7of ME ? Sure. Am I going to play through it ? Sure.

Am I recommending this series (especially ME2 & 3) anymore ? NO

I am a paying costumer at the end of the day. The most important thing Bioware needs to know is --- I'm telling my friends not to buy this game ---. I've been burned too many times with EA/Bioware. This is my last hoo-ha.

First it's the pre-order DLC, then it's the exclusive DLC, then it's merchandising DLC, then it's other game DLC ... on top of that you can't buy some of it after while. ME2 has DLC you can't buy ... how is that good for business ? There has been no signs of a GOTYE for ME2 (likely none for ME3).

How many people have played ME1 & 2 again perfecting the saves in anticipation for ME3 ? How many hours were sunk in ? Replays or not ... a large amount of time by many fans is invested.

Then leaks come out. Leaks that describe your investment may not stable, it could even be for nothing.

Grim isn't the game endings, it's the journey loyal fans & customers have been baited into.

And what do I have to look forward to ? Future content (DLC) atm is even looking more grim. EA is going to milk the multiplayer component of ME3 to death. I can see an EA excutive stroking his wallet in hopes of ME3/MP being the next CoD Zombie mode.

It's like my only hope is they sell DLC that allows an happy ending. It's just started to sink in now why people are angry with the Ashes DLC & the prothean squad mate. It's a real slap in the face (I'm looking at you Felicia Day & Jessica Chobot). And not just a financial one, but an entire circle of fantasy, gameplay, story, escape, & roleplaying. I've replayed ME1 & 2, bought the art book, pre-ordered, payed for the CE, ... I even had both the Ally & Cerberus SR2 Normandy models (registered I might add). And what do I have to look forward to after my 5 year + investement ? The Soprano's series finale & CoD Zombies:Mass Effect Horde Mode Edition (now with extra DLC drops) ...

The beef at the end of the day is that. I've been sold on this illusion of choice, fun & adventure, but the rides over. That's what the endings are telling me. It's like going on the log flume at an amusement park,... and you know that big finale at the end of the ride. It's that slow & scary climb to the top & the big splash at the bottom. Am I going to get soaked ? Are those people walking by outside the ride going to get soaked ? It's the thrill of that moment at the end. But there is no big splash here. There is the wait in line, the scary climb up, the anticipation, the water misting in the air ... but then ride stops & you get off.

P.S. don't forget redem that Dr. Pepper code for in game DLC ... it's expires before this thread does.

This.

[ratsneck00]

Cirreus wrote...

Am I still buying my Xbox 360 CE N7of ME ? Sure. Am I going to play through it ? Sure.

Am I recommending this series (especially ME2 & 3) anymore ? NO

I am a paying costumer at the end of the day. The most important thing Bioware needs to know is --- I'm telling my friends not to buy this game ---. I've been burned too many times with EA/Bioware. This is my last hoo-ha.

First it's the pre-order DLC, then it's the exclusive DLC, then it's merchandising DLC, then it's other game DLC ... on top of that you can't buy some of it after while. ME2 has DLC you can't buy ... how is that good for business ? There has been no signs of a GOTYE for ME2 (likely none for ME3).

How many people have played ME1 & 2 again perfecting the saves in anticipation for ME3 ? How many hours were sunk in ? Replays or not ... a large amount of time by many fans is invested.

Then leaks come out. Leaks that describe your investment may not stable, it could even be for nothing.

Grim isn't the game endings, it's the journey loyal fans & customers have been baited into.

And what do I have to look forward to ? Future content (DLC) atm is even looking more grim. EA is going to milk the multiplayer component of ME3 to death. I can see an EA excutive stroking his wallet in hopes of ME3/MP being the next CoD Zombie mode.

It's like my only hope is they sell DLC that allows an happy ending. It's just started to sink in now why people are angry with the Ashes DLC & the prothean squad mate. It's a real slap in the face (I'm looking at you Felicia Day & Jessica Chobot). And not just a financial one, but an entire circle of fantasy, gameplay, story, escape, & roleplaying. I've replayed ME1 & 2, bought the art book, pre-ordered, payed for the CE, ... I even had both the Ally & Cerberus SR2 Normandy models (registered I might add). And what do I have to look forward to after my 5 year + investement ? The Soprano's series finale & CoD Zombies:Mass Effect Horde Mode Edition (now with extra DLC drops) ...

The beef at the end of the day is that. I've been sold on this illusion of choice, fun & adventure, but the rides over. That's what the endings are telling me. It's like going on the log flume at an amusement park,... and you know that big finale at the end of the ride. It's that slow & scary climb to the top & the big splash at the bottom. Am I going to get soaked ? Are those people walking by outside the ride going to get soaked ? It's the thrill of that moment at the end. But there is no big splash here. There is the wait in line, the scary climb up, the anticipation, the water misting in the air ... but then ride stops & you get off.

P.S. don't forget redem that Dr. Pepper code for in game DLC ... it's expires before this thread does.

Same here, I've been trying to decide all week what I'm going to do. If i should cancel or not. Most likely I'm just gonna keep it. Why? Because like most people here I'm just to invested, and the gaming industry over the past few years has gotten pretty good at beating compliance into us.

The main reason I'm still getting it though, the sad reason, is that I have nothing else to do. Serisoulsy, I could cancel, put that money to another preorder but then I'd have to wait at least 2 more weeks tell other games I have preordered come out. I'm already bored,  I need something to do.

Thats right Bioware, you win because everything else has been pushed back a week or two to avoid you. But this is by all means the last game I'm buying from you guys.

[sevalaricgirl]

I'm going to cancel my preorder after work. I paid for it yesterday just before my son told me about the crappy endings. In my opinion, the ME team lied. You can end a story on a happy note with Shepard and crew helping to build a settlement but the ME team decided to scr3w the fans who wanted a decent ending to their Shepard. I play and love The Old Republic but could care less about any future ME games or a multiplayer ME game. This is not a threat, it is disappointment from an author who loved ME1 and ME2. My son still wants his so I'll get it for him but I don't understand how the ME team thought you couldn't end the series on a happy note. Authors do it all the time.