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[Darth_Trethon]

First off: massive SPOILERS, this discusses the leaked endings so if you don't want to be spoiled do not read any further.







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Ok so how come nobody sees the positives and epic references in the very unpoppular endings?

The Merge ending is a huge nod to the Matrix trilogy ending and personally I find it rather fascinating.....Shepard is destroyed but in a way becomes part of all things and the division between organic and machine life eliminated by making all half of the other. IMO far better than the destroy ending because I see no reason to kill EDI or the geth for crimes they have not commited.

The Control ending basically sees Shepard become immortal as well the crew if I understood correctly(haven't seen the scenes) and I can see value here especially if merged with the crew because they'd all be basically immortal and potentially Shep could likely be forever one with his LI....in a tragic and half montrous kind of way but also a little sweet and with the potential to apply a more methodical form of control on the chaos of organic evolution by only intervening when major threats that affect all arise.

Then there's the Destroy ending that wipes out all AI life including the Geth and EDI but Shep can be left stranded in not too different way from the way Master Chief was left stranded at the end of Halo 3......the Reapers are gone forever but at an insanely high price....the death of EDI and the Geth.

Then there's talk of a secret NG+ ending but no idea whether this is actually true or wishful thinking someone came up with or what it may be about if in fact true.

These choices are all very difficult....I don't mind that because let's face it......there's no way in hell you can defeat enemies so vastly more advanced, powerful and ancient without a high price not to mention near damn immortal and expect the end to be all roses and cakes. Shepard can live in the Control ending....not in a way you'd appreciate as such but alive nonetheless. Plus it's also possible DLC may add on these choices.....probably to satify the insane desire for a roses and cakes ending many seem to have.

Thoughts?

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 01 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

Merge makes no sense at at all. Control has Shepard become the Citadel, not immortal. Destroy should kill all Reaper tech but I don't see how it woud kill the Geth. But no matter what you do, the relays are destroyed and the Normandy crash lands on some uncharted world and starts a colony. A-can I hear ya say inbreeding!

There is no NG+ending(files have been mined). No replayability. No difference. The Galaxy is royally ****ed.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 01 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Merge makes no sense at at all. Control has Shepard become the Citadel, not immortal. Destroy should kill all Reaper tech but I don't see how it woud kill the Geth. But no matter what you do, the relays are destroyed and the Normandy crash lands on some uncharted world and starts a colony. A-can I hear ya say inbreeding!

There is no NG+ending(files have been mined). No replayability. No difference. The Galaxy is royally ****ed.

But the reapers are defeated and no wipe out will happen again......did you expect this would be easy? Or without a heavy price and consequences?

[Unpleasant Implications]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Merge makes no sense at at all. Control has Shepard become the Citadel, not immortal. Destroy should kill all Reaper tech but I don't see how it woud kill the Geth. But no matter what you do, the relays are destroyed and the Normandy crash lands on some uncharted world and starts a colony. A-can I hear ya say inbreeding!

There is no NG+ending(files have been mined). No replayability. No difference. The Galaxy is royally ****ed.

But the reapers are defeated and no wipe out will happen again......did you expect this would be easy? Or without a heavy price and consequences?

I expected a heavy price. I expected to make personal sacrifices. What I didn't expect, is for my choices not to matter and have pretty much the same thing happen ove and over again. Doesn't matter who lives or dies. You can't let the Reapers win. You can't survive. The Galaxy is screwed and dead no matter what you do. Nothing you've done matters. That's what I'm upset about.

[Aramintai]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Merge makes no sense at at all. Control has Shepard become the Citadel, not immortal. Destroy should kill all Reaper tech but I don't see how it woud kill the Geth. But no matter what you do, the relays are destroyed and the Normandy crash lands on some uncharted world and starts a colony. A-can I hear ya say inbreeding!

There is no NG+ending(files have been mined). No replayability. No difference. The Galaxy is royally ****ed.

But the reapers are defeated and no wipe out will happen again......did you expect this would be easy? Or without a heavy price and consequences?

It's not heavy, it's idiotic. Normandy fate makes no sense at all - it just seems shoehorned to the rest of these crappy endings with a sole purpose to ****** players off.

[loungeshep]

I actually liked the ending to Halo 3, it was different especially for that kind of game (I liked the Story in Halo, not the multiplayer. Not a fan of multiplayer, ME3 MP surprised me.)

Merge and 'lost in space but galaxy saved' sound like the best kinds of endings for this kind of game.

[Darth_Trethon]

But you can survive just fine in the Destroy ending, you might view shep as doomed but you have no way of knowing.....Halo 3's Master Chief survived stranded in space on a chunk of a destroyed ship, are you saying Shep can't survive on a planet where he can probably have food and shelter? Now letting the reapers win would make no sense at all......why even want that?

As for how Shep would get out of isolation....there could be more conduits like the one in ME1 made by protheans or organics could build some and find shep there....there are certainly possibilities.

[wright1978]

Destroy Ending: Destroy relays, strand Normandy
Control Ending: Destroy relays, strand Normandy
Merge Ending: Destroy relays, strand Normandy

Hmm i'm sensing a pattern here. Good news is that each ending is a different colour. I always wanted the choice of my ending being red coloured or blue coloured or green coloured.

[ediskrad327]

excluding the Normandy's fate (i'm going to head canon that someway) i'm ok with the endings, i was totally expecting some sort of sacrifice. sure i would have loved another happier ending though.

[Darth_Trethon]

loungeshep wrote...

I actually liked the ending to Halo 3, it was different especially for that kind of game (I liked the Story in Halo, not the multiplayer. Not a fan of multiplayer, ME3 MP surprised me.)

Merge and 'lost in space but galaxy saved' sound like the best kinds of endings for this kind of game.

I think so too.

[Scandigeek]

Actual now that you mention it Darth, I don't mind it all, I kind of like the merge ending if it means Joker and Edi being together, I think they deserve it. As for Shepard, there's an old saying, the "star that burns twice as bright...."  Given the intro I didn't think this was gonna end without some kind of cost. 

Of course this is all what will allegedly happen, have to wait and see the final product. 

Modifié par Scandigeek, 01 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[TheCreeper]

Personally I think destroy could be easily overcome, the protheans built their own relay and the bartender on Illium suggested building new ones, making it sound like such a thing would be difficult but not impossible.

While the fate of the Normandy is...odd to say the least I actually like the endings. Gives things weight, Shepard's breaking a multi-million year old cycle, of course it's going to have massive consequences. It's also the first Bioware ending that actually leaves me uncertain what to pick.

Edit: I also don't think that all endings destory the relays, only one ending destorys all reaper tech to my knowledge, I think the Charon relay just explodes because being the launch relay for that wave is just too much for it.

Modifié par TheCreeper, 01 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[AkiKishi]

The Control ending has been done to death.
Merge I actually find quite interesting since it challenges you to think about individualism over survival and whether or not you would rather live as something or die as you are.

Reminds me a lot of DX but on a less personal level. I'm not actually at the endings to DX yet, but I think I can see where things are going.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

But you can survive just fine in the Destroy ending, you might view shep as doomed but you have no way of knowing.....Halo 3's Master Chief survived stranded in space on a chunk of a destroyed ship, are you saying Shep can't survive on a planet where he can probably have food and shelter? Now letting the reapers win would make no sense at all......why even want that?

As for how Shep would get out of isolation....there could be more conduits like the one in ME1 made by protheans or organics could build some and find shep there....there are certainly possibilities.

No, you die in destroy as well. The Citadel explodes. If you had enough Assets it's implied Sheprad survives but they're still stranded on the destroyed Citadel, isolated forever. And Halo 3 isn't Mass Effect. Completely different Universe, completely different people, completely different physics. As for food and shelter... know who had food and shelter? The people stranded on Jacob's loyalty mission... look how well that turned out.

As for the Reapers not being able to win... can't you see the problem in that? No matter how much you prepare, no matter what you do, you can't lose. Any preparation, any time and care you put into the game.... is absolutely useless!

And there are NO possibilities. There was only one Conduit, one way. Organics are stranded in their own star systems, they have no where NEAR enough resources to build something as massive as Mass Relays. There is no hope! The Galaxy dies, no matter what.

[TheCreeper]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

But you can survive just fine in the Destroy ending, you might view shep as doomed but you have no way of knowing.....Halo 3's Master Chief survived stranded in space on a chunk of a destroyed ship, are you saying Shep can't survive on a planet where he can probably have food and shelter? Now letting the reapers win would make no sense at all......why even want that?

As for how Shep would get out of isolation....there could be more conduits like the one in ME1 made by protheans or organics could build some and find shep there....there are certainly possibilities.

No, you die in destroy as well. The Citadel explodes. If you had enough Assets it's implied Sheprad survives but they're still stranded on the destroyed Citadel, isolated forever. And Halo 3 isn't Mass Effect. Completely different Universe, completely different people, completely different physics. As for food and shelter... know who had food and shelter? The people stranded on Jacob's loyalty mission... look how well that turned out.

As for the Reapers not being able to win... can't you see the problem in that? No matter how much you prepare, no matter what you do, you can't lose. Any preparation, any time and care you put into the game.... is absolutely useless!

And there are NO possibilities. There was only one Conduit, one way. Organics are stranded in their own star systems, they have no where NEAR enough resources to build something as massive as Mass Relays. There is no hope! The Galaxy dies, no matter what.

No Shepard wakes up in london.

Preparing saves the earth and other things, prepartion makes the victory less hollow.

Do you not remeber illos? 12 scientists built a relay to the citadel. The galaxy will recover and when it does it will be free of the reapers, completely and forever. That's the point of the Destory ending.

[Darth_Trethon]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

But you can survive just fine in the Destroy ending, you might view shep as doomed but you have no way of knowing.....Halo 3's Master Chief survived stranded in space on a chunk of a destroyed ship, are you saying Shep can't survive on a planet where he can probably have food and shelter? Now letting the reapers win would make no sense at all......why even want that?

As for how Shep would get out of isolation....there could be more conduits like the one in ME1 made by protheans or organics could build some and find shep there....there are certainly possibilities.

No, you die in destroy as well. The Citadel explodes. If you had enough Assets it's implied Sheprad survives but they're still stranded on the destroyed Citadel, isolated forever. And Halo 3 isn't Mass Effect. Completely different Universe, completely different people, completely different physics. As for food and shelter... know who had food and shelter? The people stranded on Jacob's loyalty mission... look how well that turned out.

As for the Reapers not being able to win... can't you see the problem in that? No matter how much you prepare, no matter what you do, you can't lose. Any preparation, any time and care you put into the game.... is absolutely useless!

And there are NO possibilities. There was only one Conduit, one way. Organics are stranded in their own star systems, they have no where NEAR enough resources to build something as massive as Mass Relays. There is no hope! The Galaxy dies, no matter what.

Mass relays don't need to be huge....

.....hint, the conduit was one, made by organics. It would take time to make large ones but starting small is OK.

And no the gallaxy does not die....reapers kept wiping out organics for millions of years every 50,000 years and yet organics kept persevering.....I think you'd be OK if you tried to put your rage aside for a bit and appreciate what IS there.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 01 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Scandigeek]

Oh come on, cheer up, if Shepard is stranded on the Citadel, then he/she can shop at his/her favorite store for all his/her needs. 

[Xayoz]

A bit early to say, but I got the feeling I will be loving the endings.
If anything, I wish the price for defeating the reapers would have been ever higher.

+ all the potential whine and hate will obviously assure this game will be remembered and make a killing

[Darth_Trethon]

TheCreeper wrote...

Edit: I also don't think that all endings destory the relays, only one ending destorys all reaper tech to my knowledge, I think the Charon relay just explodes because being the launch relay for that wave is just too much for it.

Interesting observation....could be true...haven't seen the actual scenes myself so I can't judge but I hope you are right.

[DifferentD17]

Xayoz wrote...

A bit early to say, but I got the feeling I will be loving the endings.
If anything, I wish the price for defeating the reapers would have been ever higher.

+ all the potential whine and hate will obviously assure this game will be remembered and make a killing

Lol how could it get worse?

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Edit: I also don't think that all endings destory the relays, only one ending destorys all reaper tech to my knowledge, I think the Charon relay just explodes because being the launch relay for that wave is just too much for it.

Interesting observation....could be true...haven't seen the actual scenes myself so I can't judge but I hope you are right.

I sincerely hope they won't all explode. Plus, from a logical point of view, the galaxy would be quite empty after that. The Alpha Relay in Arrival took to whole system with it when it exploded.

[Xayoz]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Lol how could it get worse?

I was expecting humanity to be wiped out.

[WOLF_00]

With Mass Effect Technology gone; this sound like there is no Mass effect 4. I assume this is can be considered as renegade ending, Destroy, merge or control; all will cause the mass relays to be destroyed, isn't it?

[DifferentD17]

Xayoz wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Lol how could it get worse?

I was expecting humanity to be wiped out.

How do you know it's not?

[Wildecker]

Just one thought: are we not looking forward to the day when human beings can back up their selves, memory and all, on some huge flash drive and live forever? With bodies just in use for convenient recreation?
And if so - we are no longer depending on some FTL drive to reach the stars, because time does not matter to us anymore. So my starship needs a couple of centuries to reach Turian space? Boooring voyage, but I can spare the time if it's important enough to travel. And if it isn't, I'll send a message and concern myself with other matters while the answer is crawling back to me at the speed of light.