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[Marta Rio]

Melrache wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Before people go rage canceling maybe play the damn game? They say it's the journey and not the destination that counts

I say the destination counts the most. Great journeys can be nullified by horrible destination.

Yep.  If I know my car's going off a cliff at the end of my family vacation, killing myself and my loved ones in a grisly, fiery death, I'm probably not going to enjoy the vacation too much.

[Melra]

Marta Rio wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Before people go rage canceling maybe play the damn game? They say it's the journey and not the destination that counts

I say the destination counts the most. Great journeys can be nullified by horrible destination.

Yep.  If I know my car's going off a cliff at the end of my family vacation, killing myself and my loved ones in a grisly, fiery death, I'm probably not going to enjoy the vacation too much.

Exactly, but I am probably going to play the game when it comes out anyhow, so I can say I first hand experienced the fall of BW. I somewhat enjoyed DA2 not as much I used to enjoy BW games, but SWTOR was a major fail in my book and if ME3 joins that group, then back to Blizzard I shall march.

[meteor0L]

Melrache wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Before people go rage canceling maybe play the damn game? They say it's the journey and not the destination that counts

I say the destination counts the most. Great journeys can be nullified by horrible destination.

Yep.  If I know my car's going off a cliff at the end of my family vacation, killing myself and my loved ones in a grisly, fiery death, I'm probably not going to enjoy the vacation too much.

Exactly, but I am probably going to play the game when it comes out anyhow, so I can say I first hand experienced the fall of BW. I somewhat enjoyed DA2 not as much I used to enjoy BW games, but SWTOR was a major fail in my book and if ME3 joins that group, then back to Blizzard I shall march.

the fall of BW, because they didn't create a happy end with bunnies hopping around everywhere?

srsly guys. if you play games to forget the problems you have in real life, thats fine.
but there is no reason to hate on bioware because there is no "happy" end. 
some of the greatest movies ever created are everything but happy. (Schindlers List????)

just because you don't like the endings, because you would like to have shepard snap with his fingers and make all reapers disappear, they are not "bad".

[Karrie788]

meteor0L wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Before people go rage canceling maybe play the damn game? They say it's the journey and not the destination that counts

I say the destination counts the most. Great journeys can be nullified by horrible destination.

Yep.  If I know my car's going off a cliff at the end of my family vacation, killing myself and my loved ones in a grisly, fiery death, I'm probably not going to enjoy the vacation too much.

Exactly, but I am probably going to play the game when it comes out anyhow, so I can say I first hand experienced the fall of BW. I somewhat enjoyed DA2 not as much I used to enjoy BW games, but SWTOR was a major fail in my book and if ME3 joins that group, then back to Blizzard I shall march.

the fall of BW, because they didn't create a happy end with bunnies hopping around everywhere?

srsly guys. if you play games to forget the problems you have in real life, thats fine.
but there is no reason to hate on bioware because there is no "happy" end. 
some of the greatest movies ever created are everything but happy. (Schindlers List????)

just because you don't like the endings, because you would like to have shepard snap with his fingers and make all reapers disappear, they are not "bad".

I don't think *any* of us actually wants an ending in which Shepard "snaps his fingers and make all reapers disappear". A perfect ending with sunshine and bunnies would be ridiculous. I actually like most of the endings. The only element that's really bothering me, personnally, is the Normandy being stranded without Shepard, no matter what. It feels like cheap drama.

[meteor0L]

Karrie788 wrote...

meteor0L wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Before people go rage canceling maybe play the damn game? They say it's the journey and not the destination that counts

I say the destination counts the most. Great journeys can be nullified by horrible destination.

Yep.  If I know my car's going off a cliff at the end of my family vacation, killing myself and my loved ones in a grisly, fiery death, I'm probably not going to enjoy the vacation too much.

Exactly, but I am probably going to play the game when it comes out anyhow, so I can say I first hand experienced the fall of BW. I somewhat enjoyed DA2 not as much I used to enjoy BW games, but SWTOR was a major fail in my book and if ME3 joins that group, then back to Blizzard I shall march.

the fall of BW, because they didn't create a happy end with bunnies hopping around everywhere?

srsly guys. if you play games to forget the problems you have in real life, thats fine.
but there is no reason to hate on bioware because there is no "happy" end. 
some of the greatest movies ever created are everything but happy. (Schindlers List????)

just because you don't like the endings, because you would like to have shepard snap with his fingers and make all reapers disappear, they are not "bad".

I don't think *any* of us actually wants an ending in which Shepard "snaps his fingers and make all reapers disappear". A perfect ending with sunshine and bunnies would be ridiculous. I actually like most of the endings. The only element that's really bothering me, personnally, is the Normandy being stranded without Shepard, no matter what. It feels like cheap drama.

by saying you like most of the endings, you are giving more credit to bioware than many users on this forum. i understand many don't like the fact that the normandy is stranded. but this is just one element.
bioware doesn't deserve the amount of hate they get right now,  noone has played the game.

i really don't understand this "every ending is the same" stuff. the mass relays get destroyed, because the reapers who build them are destroyed , which makes perfect sense. the normandy crashes, maybe cheesy, but reason enough for all this hate?

i just can't understand this ragestorm

Modifié par meteor0L, 01 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[Karrie788]

meteor0L wrote...

by saying you like most of the endings, you are giving more credit to bioware than many users on this forum. i understand many don't like the fact that the normandy is stranded. but this is just one element.
bioware doesn't deserve the amount of hate they get right now,  noone has played the game.

i really don't understand this "every ending is the same" stuff. the mass relays get destroyed, because the reapers who build them are destroyed , which makes perfect sense. the normandy crashes, maybe cheesy, but reason enough for all this hate?

i just can't understand this ragestorm

As far as things go, all endings leave me incredibly depressed. And, again, I think there SHOULD be depressing endings. I would have liked just ONE bittersweet ending as a "perfect" ending. And no, the endings we got are not bittersweet, they are just bitter.

We have spent countless hours preparing our imports for ME3, caring about the characters, making decisions we feel are the best to prepare for the war with the reapers, and our reward is: no matter what, galaxy is half destroyed (which I am fine with, the destruction of the mass relays DOES make sense, I was expecting no less, we're facing the REAPERS after all), Shepard is dead/forever alone. How is that rewarding for the player? How, exactly?

I still have a flicker of hope. I'm waiting for reviews as soon as the game comes out.

[magnuskn]

Sadly I already paid for my copy. Otherwise, it'd be cancelled for sure.

[albertalad]

meteor0L wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Before people go rage canceling maybe play the damn game? They say it's the journey and not the destination that counts

I say the destination counts the most. Great journeys can be nullified by horrible destination.

Yep.  If I know my car's going off a cliff at the end of my family vacation, killing myself and my loved ones in a grisly, fiery death, I'm probably not going to enjoy the vacation too much.

Exactly, but I am probably going to play the game when it comes out anyhow, so I can say I first hand experienced the fall of BW. I somewhat enjoyed DA2 not as much I used to enjoy BW games, but SWTOR was a major fail in my book and if ME3 joins that group, then back to Blizzard I shall march.

the fall of BW, because they didn't create a happy end with bunnies hopping around everywhere?

srsly guys. if you play games to forget the problems you have in real life, thats fine.
but there is no reason to hate on bioware because there is no "happy" end. 
some of the greatest movies ever created are everything but happy. (Schindlers List????)

just because you don't like the endings, because you would like to have shepard snap with his fingers and make all reapers disappear, they are not "bad".

Schindlers List the Germany lost and are still paying for that to this day. That's justice. Maybe you might want to compare apples to apples - take Star wars - still the most successful trilogy in history. Maybe even Indiana Jones trilogy - another brilliant series. Maybe Star Trak another very successful series - still used to this day. This is what Mass Effect should be judged by - and those endings made those movies. Just a a really well written ending could very well have made the Mass Effect series into a long remembered series. Not any more - and BW have only themselves to blame. God knows they has all the knowledge of what made Star Wars so successful - BW just blw themselves up. And I'm really, really far from the only guy who want better than the garbage we were forced by silly writing. That is more contrived that anything else. I'm not going to be one of those idiots lining up to get this crap come midnight on the 5th.

[panamakira]

Don't blame you. I should do the same but whatever I'm just going through with it. Safest and smartest thing to do would be to wait for the game to come out. Wait for reviews or detailed spoilers/walkthroughs and then decided whether you need to buy it.

[xtorma]

I'm eventually going to play it, i just don't want to pay full price for it, unless the leaks are wrong. If they do turn out wrong, ill pay full price.

[TK EL_]

meteor0L wrote...

by saying you like most of the endings, you are giving more credit to bioware than many users on this forum. i understand many don't like the fact that the normandy is stranded. but this is just one element.
bioware doesn't deserve the amount of hate they get right now,  noone has played the game.

i really don't understand this "every ending is the same" stuff. the mass relays get destroyed, because the reapers who build them are destroyed , which makes perfect sense. the normandy crashes, maybe cheesy, but reason enough for all this hate?

i just can't understand this ragestorm

Its not cheesy, its just terribly forced. People would stop talking about a "good ending" if they hadn't specifically stated there was one. The so called good ending results in Shepard surviving albeit charred possibly beyond repair, the above mentioned stranded normandy and the destruction of all synthetics. That's the good ending Casey and co have set as requiring the most GaW assets.  

The ragestorm is borne from everything together that people have been moaning about already. i'm personally very level headed and not prone to rage but I am glad I saw this stuff here first. I'm still getting my CE. That being said, wait and see the size of the storm on release.

[MakeMineMako]

Kuriiiiiii wrote...

Pathetic. Grow up and walk into the real world.

It's not all sunshine and rainbows. You think that any war we've ever had ended "happily" lots of people died. Granted this is a video game and on the grand scale of things people that die in war deserve a lot more respect, Bioware stated a long time ago the endings won't be happy.

you people would have still moaned and ****ed if the ending was "Oh yeah, we kicked the reapers ass now we live in peace"

This is, as you point out, a video game. Entertainment and escapism. Not the real world.

Nowadays, people are too f**cking nihilistic, to the point where they want doom and gloom in all facets of their lives. They justify this by saying they want more "realism"  or "shades of gray" in their entertainment. There was a time when people would go see a good movie with the themes of good triumping over evil, read a book about heroes and villians, or listen to uplifting music to brighten their spirits. Now, it's mostly "anti-heroes" and stories/music/scripts focusing on dark themes.

There are people today, with things being like they are, who still desire happy endings. However, they are not being delusional, immature, or the proverbial osterich with it's head in the sand. They understand that the world isn't all "sunshine and rainbows" as many here like to point out. It's more like a mental vacation to, as they used to say, "get away from it all" for a little bit.

If there are no classical uplifting themes, where the hero triumps and "lives happily ever after" as a reward for his/her efforts, in the endings, then many people will be upset that they don't have that option. And their complaints are no less legimate or mature just because people disagree with them.

And I happen to agree with them to a point. If I play a paragon Shepard, who's a classical, cookie-cutter, space opera pulp hero, then I look to achieve a fitting ending for my hero. Not railroaded into some new age trash "transhumanist" ending, just because the developers want to push the "rapture for nerds" (technological singualrity). Mass Effect isn't some deep, thought provoking philosophical drama. It's "beer and pretzles" science fiction, like Star Wars and Battletech.

As much work has been put into Mass Effect 3 by Bioware (based how good the game looks), there could have been a better diversity in the endings (assuming that the known endings are the only endings, and it's looking more and more like it the more I read). There could have been an ending to half-way satisfy most people (but not all), both the dark and moody crowd and the folks wanting positive escapism. 

In any case, I'm not dropping my pre-order. I'm a completionist and I want closure on my Shepard's story, for good or ill.

Anyway, these are just my opinions. Others will differ.

Rant mode off. Have a nice thread.

[Olueq]

squee365 wrote...

cya

Oh look, its this idiot again.

[SovereignWillReturn]

I bought ME1 full price, and ME2 full price. Even if the endings are bad, ME3 is still ME3. It's more like an emotional connection, rather than cancelling just because the endings are off.

Honestly, I'm corssing my fingers to see how the present and justify the endings...

[WeWant]

Luc0s wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I just thought that letting the entire future of the galaxy and everything that has ever existed in history continue would be a good enough ending for me.

It's like no one here has been a part of any other media bar Disney movies, or worse, somehow act like they own ME3 and Bioware should listen to them rather than create the story that Bioware wanted.

You don't get it. BioWare should not create a story THEY want, BioWare should create a story WE want.

Creating a product that THEY want and not keeping in mind what WE want it bad for business. They're not going to make a whole lot of sales if they keep up that attitude.

Good, you are asking a developper to sacrifice their creativity in exchange of fan service..Do you have any idea of how stupid you sound?
There is no way to know what the gamers want. Everyone emphasizes a different aspect. Your ideal ending would seem complete s.h.i.t. to me, so would mine to you.

****ing grow up.

[SovereignWillReturn]

WeWant wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I just thought that letting the entire future of the galaxy and everything that has ever existed in history continue would be a good enough ending for me.

It's like no one here has been a part of any other media bar Disney movies, or worse, somehow act like they own ME3 and Bioware should listen to them rather than create the story that Bioware wanted.

You don't get it. BioWare should not create a story THEY want, BioWare should create a story WE want.

Creating a product that THEY want and not keeping in mind what WE want it bad for business. They're not going to make a whole lot of sales if they keep up that attitude.

Good, you are asking a developper to sacrifice their creativity in exchange of fan service..Do you have any idea of how stupid you sound?
There is no way to know what the gamers want. Everyone emphasizes a different aspect. Your ideal ending would seem complete s.h.i.t. to me, so would mine to you.

****ing grow up.

So do you agree 100% completely with the endings that Bioware produced?

[RogueBot]

Has it been confirmed that the "depressing" endings are the only endings? Because if not, it seems a little extreme to just cancel based on that.

Also, it would surprise me for Bioware to go that route. You'd think SOMEBODY at the company would go "wait... what?" at some point, and give us something more.

[Karrie788]

RogueBot wrote...

Has it been confirmed that the "depressing" endings are the only endings? Because if not, it seems a little extreme to just cancel based on that.

Also, it would surprise me for Bioware to go that route. You'd think SOMEBODY at the company would go "wait... what?" at some point, and give us something more.

I think cancelling preorders is more of a wait and see approach. I'm not paying 80 dollars just to have my heart ripped out at the end of the game. I'm probably overreacting, but the destination counts just as much as the journey.
I'm waiting for reviews.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

It's your choice. There's no right or wrong here.

[meteor0L]

Karrie788 wrote...

meteor0L wrote...

by saying you like most of the endings, you are giving more credit to bioware than many users on this forum. i understand many don't like the fact that the normandy is stranded. but this is just one element.
bioware doesn't deserve the amount of hate they get right now,  noone has played the game.

i really don't understand this "every ending is the same" stuff. the mass relays get destroyed, because the reapers who build them are destroyed , which makes perfect sense. the normandy crashes, maybe cheesy, but reason enough for all this hate?

i just can't understand this ragestorm

As far as things go, all endings leave me incredibly depressed. And, again, I think there SHOULD be depressing endings. I would have liked just ONE bittersweet ending as a "perfect" ending. And no, the endings we got are not bittersweet, they are just bitter.

We have spent countless hours preparing our imports for ME3, caring about the characters, making decisions we feel are the best to prepare for the war with the reapers, and our reward is: no matter what, galaxy is half destroyed (which I am fine with, the destruction of the mass relays DOES make sense, I was expecting no less, we're facing the REAPERS after all), Shepard is dead/forever alone. How is that rewarding for the player? How, exactly?

I still have a flicker of hope. I'm waiting for reviews as soon as the game comes out.

like you said, the humans are facing the reapers. a race with technology "billions" of years ahead. they have wiped out every civilization before, they only exist to "reap" civilizations, have done it so often before, noone knows how many times.
humanity has done more than any other race before. all the others have been wiped out. as far as i can see, a half destroyed galaxy is a huge win in a war against a race like the reapers.

this is what shepard was fighting for ALL the time from me1. he reached his goal. in my eyes, reaching a goal is sweet. dying for it is bitter. but do you think shepard would stop his fight if he knew he will die after he won? probably not.

[Darth Malice113]

RogueBot wrote...

Has it been confirmed that the "depressing" endings are the only endings? Because if not, it seems a little extreme to just cancel based on that.

Also, it would surprise me for Bioware to go that route. You'd think SOMEBODY at the company would go "wait... what?" at some point, and give us something more.

You would be suprised how Group Think can make the worst ideas seem spectacular.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Groupthink

[Stanley Woo]

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