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Goliz wrote...

Its funny how there's always an explanation for the game to be awesome when they cut something out.

They take holster: Nobody even used that, man!!! Do you even remember what button?

They dont fix the animations: Animations are soooo much better than ME1 and ME2, man!!! Do you even remember those animations?

They gives us less options for conversations: Conversations are going to be sooo much better in ME3, man!!!! Do you even remember what the other options were for?

Point something wrong with the game and watch the same reaction over and over again. As much as i like the games i cant close my eyes to so much ****.


You have blind fans on one side and blind haters on the other, honestly both should wait until the game is out.

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Cody211282 wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

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I liked neutral, and in my opinion, and clearly in most cases, it offered the better dialogue. Especially if you had a full rene/paragon bar and didnt care for the points. So if true its basically making you conform to either paragon or renegade - a system which is clearly faulty when looking at choices such as rewriting or destroying the geth.


The geth and genophage thing should have been done like this
1-You say what side your on.
2-You say why your on that side and your reasoning is what gives you points into renegade or paragon.


Indeed, those 2 choices really do highlight it - with the geth your choosing to set them free from, essentially, coded slavery just because they didnt choose the other sides version, yet its renegade? The genophage cure... now in my opinion saving the cure should of been renegade, hell i would of liked this system to be removed entireley - but as thats not happening -  only a renegade would of saved a cure, a cure that was created from experimenting on different races, the ends justifys the means and all that. 

Mass effect would of GREATLY benefited from dragon ages dialogue system.

If the whole game is like this....yeah its pretty much ruined it, i hope this whole claim is garbage. Im sure i would still enjoy the game mind.


Thats why I think the reasoning behind what you are doing is more impotain to assigning the point then what you do. I was all for blowing that geth station to hell because I didn't see it as giving them another chance, I saw it as you going in abd brain washing an entire culture that didn't agree with you and to me thats way worse then killing someone.

I could argue your reasoning with the genophage one but I'll just say that it further highlights why assigning points to those conversations was a bad idea.

Overall though those 2 quests were the best parts of ME2.


I think it mainly has to do with the importing mechanic, agreed it would be hell of a lot better to have a semi discussion about why you would do that before you make the choice, like in dragon age to some extent, but then it would make the importing of the choice that much harder - right now its either A or B. I just think the paragon/renegade system is flawed, essentially good vs evil, it just ruins choices in a story driven game (or atleast was story driven)

Yeh i loved these quests too, until it actually got to the choices - then i was pondering on what to do for about an hour i decided BOTH choices was wrong, but essentially went for the paragon or renegade choice...i think that is the main problem, you are always going to choose the good or evil choice, not the one thats BEST.

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jmood88 wrote...

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even the "Holy Grail of Video Games" (Mass Effect 1)

You misspelled "KOTOR"


Most of the people on here seem to have never played it. I only ever see references to Mass Effect 1 when reading about Bioware's supposed downfall.


man i love Kotor 1 and kotor 2 was really nice too and very dark game indeed that seems to suit more what casey hudson said about me 2 : ME 2 is the empire strikes back of star wars saga, is more dark.... more like kotor 2 is the empire strikes back to me, i seriously need kotor 3 its not fair that they didnt wanted to make the trilogy complete :crying: i wish obsidian or someone else decide to take their chances and make it happen :wizard:

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Goliz wrote...

Its funny how there's always an explanation for the game to be awesome when they cut something out.

They take holster: Nobody even used that, man!!! Do you even remember what button?

They dont fix the animations: Animations are soooo much better than ME1 and ME2, man!!! Do you even remember those animations?

They gives us less options for conversations: Conversations are going to be sooo much better in ME3, man!!!! Do you even remember what the other options were for?

Point something wrong with the game and watch the same reaction over and over again. As much as i like the games i cant close my eyes to so much ****.


First off, the holster thing is just ridiculous IMO. Why is that such a big deal? I don't get it. It's so not worth raging over. They couldn't fit the animation in due to GPU memory restrictions or whatever so it's not in anymore. Personally, if there were Cerberus and husks and Reapers and mercs all over the place where I was, I wouldn't put my gun away anyway.

Second, the only issue I'd have with animations is the Anderson running one. Even then, I can't be mad at it because I'm too busy giggling at it. Again, not that big a deal. I've seen far worse other than that one running animation.

Now, the conversations. IF it turns out that 80% of the conversations only have 2 options, I'll eat my words and admit they went too far with "streamlining". I just think everybody is going a bit too far without having played it yet themselves (other than the demo). It could be that way throughout the entire game and that would be a shame. But we have no evidence that proves that yet.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 01 mars 2012 - 05:27 .


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Il Divo wrote...

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Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.

Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.

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tez19 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.

Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.


Are you just trying to get people pissed off so you can report them? Because that is sorta what it looks like.

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tez19 in steep decline.

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tez19 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.


Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.


Noted.

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Il Divo wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

even the "Holy Grail of Video Games" (Mass Effect 1)

You misspelled "KOTOR"


Most of the people on here seem to have never played it. I only ever see references to Mass Effect 1 when reading about Bioware's supposed downfall.


Eh, more than you might think have made it through the series. This is Bioware after all. Personally, it's my holy grail of Bioware games. Image IPB


KOTOR is what got me into RPG's so it's up there in the pantheon of games for me.

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tez19 in steep decline.

Agreed.

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Cody211282 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.

Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.


Are you just trying to get people pissed off so you can report them? Because that is sorta what it looks like.

Nope just stating my opinion, but unfortunately if you are not a Biodrone on this board you are seen as scum.

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KOTOR is what got me into RPG's so it's up there in the pantheon of games for me.


Likewise. I was 13 when I first played it. And coincedentally it's my favorite Bioware game. It's difficult to tell how much nostalgia is impacting my judgment on that front, but it still remains in my top 5 games of all time.

Modifié par Il Divo, 01 mars 2012 - 05:34 .


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tez19 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.

Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.


Are you just trying to get people pissed off so you can report them? Because that is sorta what it looks like.

Nope just stating my opinion, but unfortunately if you are not a Biodrone on this board you are seen as scum.


And calling people who don't agree with you as BioDrones is ok, how would you like it if I thought that was a personal attack and reported you for it?

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tez19 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.

Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.


Are you just trying to get people pissed off so you can report them? Because that is sorta what it looks like.

Nope just stating my opinion, but unfortunately if you are not a Biodrone on this board you are seen as scum.

Reported for an unwanted attack.

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jmood88 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

even the "Holy Grail of Video Games" (Mass Effect 1)

You misspelled "KOTOR"


Most of the people on here seem to have never played it. I only ever see references to Mass Effect 1 when reading about Bioware's supposed downfall.


Eh, more than you might think have made it through the series. This is Bioware after all. Personally, it's my holy grail of Bioware games. Image IPB


KOTOR is what got me into RPG's so it's up there in the pantheon of games for me.


me too! it was the first wrpg that ive loved to the infinity and i still do to this time. :wub: kotor 3 please? 

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kotor 3 please? 


Ouch, way too soon. Image IPB

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Squallypo wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

even the "Holy Grail of Video Games" (Mass Effect 1)

You misspelled "KOTOR"


Most of the people on here seem to have never played it. I only ever see references to Mass Effect 1 when reading about Bioware's supposed downfall.


Eh, more than you might think have made it through the series. This is Bioware after all. Personally, it's my holy grail of Bioware games. Image IPB


KOTOR is what got me into RPG's so it's up there in the pantheon of games for me.


me too! it was the first wrpg that ive loved to the infinity and i still do to this time. :wub: kotor 3 please? 


kotor was my first bioware game and i played that thing to death

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Maybe it's to make having 3 choices in the ending feel extra special.


/thread we got the answer at the first page ^_^

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Il Divo wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

kotor 3 please? 


Ouch, way too soon. Image IPB


way too soon? when did kotor 2 was released?..just because The old Republic mmorpg shows some stuff about the old kotor games doesnt has to make a connection exactly thew the single player games. although they forced it to be that way yet again its not exactly like that. :wizard:

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exskeeny wrote...

so sex scene with 2 options:

1:lets do it
2: erm no

sex scene with 3 options

1: lets do it
2: no
3: how about just a handjob, I've got a lot on my mind.

I think there are times for only 2 options and times for 3. Hopefully they have the balance right. Hopefully.

edit: to reaffirm my hopefulness


There should exist 5 options:

Yes
No
Handjob
Kick out of crew
Suggest an alternative with Garrus

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Squallypo wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

kotor 3 please? 


Ouch, way too soon. Image IPB


way too soon? when did kotor 2 was released?..just because The old Republic mmorpg shows some stuff about the old kotor games doesnt has to make a connection exactly thew the single player games. although they forced it to be that way yet again its not exactly like that. :wizard:


Sorry, should have been more clear. With TOR released, the likelihood of KotOR 3 is looking minimal. I was saying "too soon" to think about the pain. Image IPB

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tez19 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yup it looks like Bioware are ditching what made them great and becoming another generic FLASHY BANG action game developer. Bioware in steep decline.


I highly doubt that you have any idea what made Bioware great in that pathetic mind of yours.

Reported. Unacceptable personal attack under the new forum rules.


Are you just trying to get people pissed off so you can report them? Because that is sorta what it looks like.

Nope just stating my opinion, but unfortunately if you are not a Biodrone on this board you are seen as scum.


Stating your opinion as well as repeating the exact same thing over and over again.

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Il Divo wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

kotor 3 please? 


Ouch, way too soon. Image IPB


I just want kotor 2...

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Phaedon wrote...

N00blet666 wrote...

 I talked to a few people who have played through the game and apparently most conversations only have two options? I feel bad for everybody who liked neutrality. 

Your sources? Xiosite denies this.



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Phaedon wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

But the original "Call of Duty" was often described as the "drama queen of shooters". Am I missing something here?


COD 4 was really rather good, I think most people are talking about MW2 and after that.

I know. I am being sarcastic. People just love jumping into bandwagons.

I consider COD 1-4 among my favorite shooters, and it is widely known that they are among the first shooters to introduce story as heavily as they did.  I wonder how many people have actually played the COD series.


I HAVE!!!!=]

CoD 4 was pathetic compared to CoD 1. CoD 4 just ripped off every war story ever made.