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[Gexora]

 Putting stuff like "it's not kill stealing, it's kill helping" aside (because secretly every single person wants to kill as many Cerberus mother****ers as they can), here is what i want to post after being yelled at for ten minutes by some infiltrator who was lining up a headshot when I charged. (not to mention someone else ranting at me for leaving the exact spot I was supposed to hold. And then there was this guy...)
Charge is not PURELY offensive. 
When I charge, sometimes I do it because my freaking shields are down and there is no visible cover. So I charge. And Infiltrators cloak, it's pretty annoying too, but no one rants at infiltrators, right? Seriously, how hard is it to understand I don't charge=>kill things endangering my life because my finger is glued to 1, or because I am an awful person who needs to steal the results of your job, but because this is my freaking playstyle? 
Also? Kill things faster than in half an hour

*sigh* I doubt it is going to help the situation, but, well, whatever

[Cloaking_Thane]

People who rage at VG's don't understand game mechanics, that said there are plenty of terrible VG's around who also dont understand the game mechanics.

[Shin0biwan]

Infiltrators need to stop spamming cloak. They do too much damage when cloaked - they keep stealing my kills! And they're totally invincible when they're cloaked - SOOOOOOO OP!!!

And Engineers should stop spamming Drone. It's not fair that they can knock people out of cover while I can't.

Human Soldiers also need to stop spamming AR. It's so mindless, all they do is push one button and shoot, and they do tons of damage, which means I can't get kills. Nerf them to take away their extra damage.

Basically, I want my team to stop doing what they're good at and helping me. It's too bad this game doesn't have single player.

[count_4]

Gexora wrote...
*sigh* I doubt it is going to help the situation, but, well, whatever

Don't even waste your (virtual) breath on these idiots.

[Gexora]

ShinObiwan
...i feel so bad for poor Sentinel right now.

Cloaking_Thane
Sometimes it seems they think EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE TO GET THEM.
Though seriously, the first time I went gold there was level 12 vanguard who did nothing but charge and die. I admit that's terrible too

[exskeeny]

as long as you're killing people and the mission succeeds I'm a happy man.

[count_4]

Gexora wrote...
Though seriously, the first time I went gold there was level 12 vanguard who did nothing but charge and die. I admit that's terrible too

Well, at lvl 12 (at least as a Vanguard) dying is your only purpose in a gold game. 

[Gexora]

count_4 wrote...

Gexora wrote...
*sigh* I doubt it is going to help the situation, but, well, whatever

Don't even waste your (virtual) breath on these idiots.

Probably good advice, but sometimes it's just annoying how people can't realize vanguards are very strategic class (esp on higher difficulties) and assume all of us are 1-3 spamming bastards
And yeah, when I saw that level 12 guy I was like.... you serious? 

Also? Charge-Nova is truly awesome, but they just won't understand 

Modifié par Gexora, 01 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[Shin0biwan]

Gexora wrote...

ShinObiwan
...i feel so bad for poor Sentinel right now.

Nah man, Sentinels are mad OP. Use Tech Armor once and get damage reduction forever? BS, that has to be a bug. They keep outliving me and getting a higher score, they need to turn Tech Armor off once in a while (but not use powers while it's off, because taking advantage of faster cooldowns is also OP).

[jelf rs]

Bioware should make it clear in the game(perhaps through a hint during loading screens) that everyone get the same amount of exp and credits after a mission.

I believe people will rage less if they know everyone get the same thing in the end.

[Gexora]

it's not the matter of kill-stealing and exp - though it would be nice if they did that - but the fact ppl won't understand I *NEED* to charge.
I have two close friends playing multiplayer, too bad I ca't play with them. For some reason, any timу I am on a mission with someone I know, I start epic failing

Modifié par Gexora, 01 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Kuriiiiiii]

 Inflitrators in the "dumb-ass" class. They whine and they whine.

[Yogim0nn]

I couldn't care if a vanguard gets all the kills, the amount of times I've had to pull them out the **** when they bite off a little more than they can chew makes it worthwhile. As long as we win and we get the loot, WINNER !

Must admit though, it can be annoying when you miss miss a perfectly lined up shot because some ###guard is on a charge-nova-athon :-(

Hey, swings and roundabouts I suppose.

[Cuthlan]

I've had Infiltrators flip out about me stepping infront of their shot with any class. Including once where I was an Asari Adept, setting up headshots for him with Stasis. He took up a position hiding behind me so that every time I stepped out from cover to Stasis, I was in his shot.

And he ****ed at me about it.

It's a class that attracts dumbasses just like the Vanguard. Unfortunately it is easier to stealth -> headshot and survive than it is to be a Vanguard, so they stick around.

[twister87]

I like playing infiltrator. Cloaking is a vital ability, particularly in gold matches, and not just for zipping in and out for damage bonuses. If someone goes down (unless I'm fulfilling an objective), you can guarantee that I'll hit cloak and run like hell to whoever went down to pick them up. I like being able to do that and it's good for the team.

And I totally understand the vanguard mechanic - they will be charging everywhere, and that sometimes they are gonna go down. I don't care. As long as they play well and we win, that's fine with me. I don't know why people get so pissy about ressing others. I get great personal satisfaction out of it. As for kill stealing, it doesn't matter, you'll get the same xp as everyone in the end. It's a TEAM game.

Probably a very rose-tinted view but hey, I'm that kind of infiltrator.

[Arppis]

Kuriiiiiii wrote...

 Inflitrators in the "dumb-ass" class. They whine and they whine.

I don't think any class is "dumb-ass" there are only people who are.

twister87 wrote...

I like playing infiltrator. Cloaking is
a vital ability, particularly in gold matches, and not just for zipping
in and out for damage bonuses. If someone goes down (unless I'm
fulfilling an objective), you can guarantee that I'll hit cloak and run
like hell to whoever went down to pick them up. I like being able to do
that and it's good for the team.

And I totally understand the
vanguard mechanic - they will be charging everywhere, and that sometimes
they are gonna go down. I don't care. As long as they play well and we
win, that's fine with me. I don't know why people get so pissy about
ressing others. I get great personal satisfaction out of it. As for kill
stealing, it doesn't matter, you'll get the same xp as everyone in the
end. It's a TEAM game.

Probably a very rose-tinted view but hey, I'm that kind of infiltrator.

No, that's completely rational view of things, not to mention beneficial for the team.

Modifié par Arppis, 01 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Gexora]

Thanks God, sometimes I think I am the only one who feels awesome after crossing half the map and getting rid of couple stubbon nasties to revive a fallen frined.
And I am "the end justifies the means" kind of person in real life, btw. But everything must be balanced, not "I am halfway to extraction zone so I can't go literally two steps to the side and revive your fallen ass so all of us could get a full extraction bonus!".

[Fortack]

Gexora wrote...

Though seriously, the first time I went gold there was level 12 vanguard who did nothing but charge and die. I admit that's terrible too

Well, that's how vanguards learn eh?

"Know yourself, know your enemy and in a hundred battles you will never be defeated." That's textbook stuff. But the only way to know / learn these things (in games) is by trial and errror. Anyone who doesn't notice that their tactics are ineffective within one or two matches has a problem though - they can be annoying.

[jelf rs]

Gexora wrote...

it's not the matter of kill-stealing and exp - though it would be nice if they did that - but the fact ppl won't understand I *NEED* to charge.
I have two close friends playing multiplayer, too bad I ca't play with them. For some reason, any timу I am on a mission with someone I know, I start epic failing

Most of the times people don't really care whether the charge is "needed" or just for the lulz.

To those people who think vanguard "stole" their kills, they don't really care what the vanguard needs or doesn't need. It isn't really their business. All they know is that the vanguard took some kills that were supposed to be theirs and they look bad with less points.
They view this as a competitive game, a killing contest that whoever gets the most points wins, instead of a co-op mission that everyone should work together and survive.

Even if they understand that vanguard needs to charge, they would probably still stay the same way. Because they see the vanguard as a competitor, not a friend. Other teammates are just there to help them win. They are only rezing you because alone they may not survive. But in the end the vanguard/others are still competitors, they would rather see you die than stealing their points.

One of the ways to make these people stop thinking like that is to tell them that in the end everyone gets the same reward. And the points you get in the mission isn't really that useful. People will be less hostile if they know helping others is actually helping themselves.

[Rahabzu]

There was one game where two vanguard literally murdered the whole map within a minute while I was trying to find some cerberus, some people might find it annoying that they cant find anything to kill for themselves.

[Gexora]

Rahabzu wrote...

There was one game where two vanguard literally murdered the whole map within a minute while I was trying to find some cerberus, some people might find it annoying that they cant find anything to kill for themselves.

Not the point of my post
I said I understand that may be annoying. I get that little warm feeling every time i ****slap a phantom, i would be unhappy if i spent the whole match doing nothing. BUT
Vanguards NEED to play like that.

[Aimi]

Gexora wrote...

Thanks God, sometimes I think I am the only one who feels awesome after crossing half the map and getting rid of couple stubbon nasties to revive a fallen frined.

Plus, it gives you a sense of superiority that ought to last a good ten minutes. A cool, natural high.

[AcidThe Wraith]

Lol there was some guy raging at my little brother last night for out killing him with our Vangaurd. It was priceless.

[count_4]

Gexora wrote...
Thanks God, sometimes I think I am the only one who feels awesome after crossing half the map and getting rid of couple stubbon nasties to revive a fallen frined.
 

Or engaging several Phantoms at the same time on Silver/Gold and walking out alive. Just plain awesome. 

[Night Wraith]

Remember classes are neutral people are stupid.