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[Legion64]

Will I be able to see my Shepard plow that blue bean field?

[TheKillerAngel]

So I'm watching the Witcher 2's Triss/Geralt scene again. The whole "you could use a bath/so could you" exchange is cringe worthy. It's like something that came out of a porno. It's OK up to the point where they start kissing in the water. After that, the scenes showing Geralt doing her doggystyle and running his hands all over her body (along with all the moaning) are just excessive. We get that they are having sex - we don't need to see all the private details of it.

[Han Shot First]

Marionetten wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

In comparison I think Mass Effect 1 got it right. The scenes in Mass Effect 1 are nothing that anyone could point to and ridicule gamers, whereas the the Witcher 2's scenes would be more likely to reinforce negative stereotypes. The Witcher 1 is arguably even worse, with those ridiculous cards.

You're joking, right? The Mass Effect cutscenes were widely ridiculed for sideboobery. In fact, one could argue that they started the entire crusade.

And they don't even begin to approach the aritistic merits of the elven bath scene in The Witcher 2. It was beautifully choreographed and not just for the erotic aspects. In Mass Effect we always get the same damn cabin scene. How about a bit of creativity? 

They weren't widely ridiculed at all. One guest on a Fox News talkshow bashed them as being pornographic, and was later forced to admit that she hadn't actually seen the scenes in question. She formed her opinion based on what she had heard they contained. This is what Cooper Lawrence (the talking head in question) later admitted in a New York Times interview:

"I recognize that I misspoke. I really regret saying that, and now that I've seen the game and seen the sex scenes it's kind of a joke. Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it's like pornography. But it's not like pornography. I've seen episodes of Lost that are more sexually explicit."

As for the Elven Bath scene in the Witcher 2, while it isn't as gratuitous as Geralt's sex scenes with prostitutes, it is far from being artistic. The dialogue in that entire scene is fairly cringe-worthy. Geralt grunts at women like a water buffalo in heat, and they hop into bed with him. If only real life were so easy!

That, and while the scene was mostly fine (besides the bad dialogue), it crossed over into gratuitous territory when it later cut back to Geralt plowing Triss from behind. What did that add to the story? It was only there to titilate fans, much like the lame cards in the first Witcher.

I should probably add at this point that I'm actually a fan of the series. I just think it is laughable when people argue that it should be used as some sort of template on how sex scenes should be done in video games.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

So I know this is going to be perv kind of question but if the scenes are like ME2 more or less then whats the partial nudity for then? Shep decides to wear shorts and a tank top or Jack gets rid of more clothing? Or someone's necklines end up getting more ridiculous then Samara's?

[Grimez7]

Woah! A 20 second sex scene in a 30+ hour game?! BAN IT! Video games are the devil's propaganda!

(That was sarcasm)

[Tazzmission]

Legion64 wrote...

Will I be able to see my Shepard plow that blue bean field?

lmao wow now i have a idea for howard stern to narrate that scene in game............

[FKA_Servo]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

So I know this is going to be perv kind of question but if the scenes are like ME2 more or less then whats the partial nudity for then? Shep decides to wear shorts and a tank top or Jack gets rid of more clothing? Or someone's necklines end up getting more ridiculous then Samara's?

Husks.

[Marionetten]

Han Shot First wrote...

They weren't widely ridiculed at all. One guest on a Fox News talkshow bashed them as being pornographic, and was later forced to admit that she hadn't actually seen the scenes in question. She formed her opinion based on what she had heard they contained. This is what Cooper Lawrence (the talking head in question) later admitted in a New York Times interview:

It was by no means limited to the Fox news debacle. It spurred a massive debate with a whole lot of people deeming the content gratuitous. Something which you're now ironically trying to do with The Witcher 2 for being progressive much like Mass Effect was back in the day.

Han Shot First wrote...

As for the Elven Bath scene in the Witcher 2, while it isn't as gratuitous as Geralt's sex scenes with prostitutes, it is far from being artistic. The dialogue in that entire scene is fairly cringe-worthy. Geralt grunts at women like a water buffalo in heat, and they hop into bed with him. If only real life were so easy!

As opposed to Shepard's classical "let's make it forty"?

And most women jump in bed with Geralt either due to money or his martial prowess and not because of his nonexistent grunting. I'd argue that those are fairly realistic motives.

Han Shot First wrote...

That, and while the scene was mostly fine (besides the bad dialogue), it crossed over into gratuitous territory when it later cut back to Geralt plowing Triss from behind. What did that add to the story? It was only there to titilate fans, much like the lame cards in the first Witcher.

The cards, which were no different from the achievements you unlock for banging people in Mass Effect, you mean? While I agree that they were lame The Witcher is far from the only game which rewards your sexual prowess in such juvenile ways.

And the reason was obvious. To add more sex to the scene. I didn't realize that sex automatically equated gratuitous ( such an overused word these days ) fanservice. Sometimes it's just sex. I think it's time we got over that. It's perfectly fine for violence to be violence so why not sex? You don't see other mediums irrationally shying away from it. Was it really necessary for Littlefinger to be surrounded by naked prostitutes in order for the plot of Game of Thrones to progress? No, but they were there anyway as part of the setting. This doesn't make them gratuitous as the scene took place in a brothel. Gratuitous would be every single peasant going around naked. Something which doesn't occur in Game of Thrones or The Witcher 2.

Modifié par Marionetten, 01 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[Randy1012]

I think the whole issue with Americans freaking out about sex and nudity in M-rated games is because much of America still believes that video games are just for kids, when that's really not the case anymore. Video games nowadays are dominated more by the twenty- and thirtysomethings than they are by children, and yet people still want to treat video games like they're kids' fare.

I agree that it's not necessary to go all the way like The Witcher 2 did (however, I also don't have a problem with that), but I think ME1 struck the perfect balance between tastefulness and titillation. These are adult games about adult characters, and ideally played by adults, so there shouldn't be anything wrong with them including some adult material. ME2's attempts at "sex scenes" just came off as more childish and immature than anything else.

[Kog27]

Dear BSN,

in light of Eawares bending over and nerfing sex scenes, we would appreciate it if you refereed to these intimate moments as ROMANCE SCENES and not sex scenes(As they contain no sex!)

Thank you.

[Legion64]

SEX IS FOR THE DEVIL!

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Re: the Witcher 2 issue, those sex scenes are pretty gratuitous - there's really no way around that. They do, however, resemble the actual sex people have in the real world more than sex in Bioware games tends to, so it's kind of a "pick your poison" sort of issue. (And they tend to have better interactions w/ characters in a relationship, but that's a different topic.)

But really, sex in games is almost always terrible. I'm surprised that people expected ME3 to be an exception.

[Asari Commando]

now that you guys are mentioning it, i noticed the big change in sex scenes from ME1-ME2. i remember i was so happy when shepard got laid by shiara, the asari consort . also i remember my scene with ashley being pretty damn good, mostly because i wasnt even sure i COULD get laid during my first PT. so i was like "yessssssssssss."

[Cyberarmy]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

But really, sex in games is almost always terrible. I'm surprised that people expected ME3 to be an exception.

Not in Leisure Suit Larry games

[TheQuadLazer]

ewww breasts

[Repearized Miranda]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's not necessary to show everything in order to get the gist of it.

You nailed it! Then again, with the advent of such media, people don't use their imaginations anymore.

[Expect when putting such things on YT!] The Miranda/Jack romp was hilarious as was Harbinger/Femshep. That is, if you don't "watch" what was happening because watching would ruin it!


Miranda/Jack:  

Femshep/Harbinger: 


Implication works its magic if you let it!

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 01 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[Tazzmission]

Kog27 wrote...

Dear BSN,

in light of Eawares bending over and nerfing sex scenes, we would appreciate it if you refereed to these intimate moments as ROMANCE SCENES and not sex scenes(As they contain no sex!)

Thank you.

if you want sex scenes go watch a porno .. seriously heck i enjoyed me1's sex scene myself but idont need pixel boobs to drool over

[Marionetten]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Re: the Witcher 2 issue, those sex scenes are pretty gratuitous - there's really no way around that. They do, however, resemble the actual sex people have in the real world more than sex in Bioware games tends to, so it's kind of a "pick your poison" sort of issue. (And they tend to have better interactions w/ characters in a relationship, but that's a different topic.)

But really, sex in games is almost always terrible. I'm surprised that people expected ME3 to be an exception.

I think the problem isn't as much that they're gratuitous ( they don't show more than your average M rated movie ) as it's that sex just isn't accepted in games yet. Most likely due to the interactive nature. Mass Effect got bashed for being a juvenile sex simulator back in the day too. Hell, a lot of people still mock BioWare titles by branding them dating games. That is the real immaturity at work if you ask me.

Modifié par Marionetten, 01 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[string3r]

More dry humping then I take it?

[lastpawn]

Marionetten wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

They weren't widely ridiculed at all. One guest on a Fox News talkshow bashed them as being pornographic, and was later forced to admit that she hadn't actually seen the scenes in question. She formed her opinion based on what she had heard they contained. This is what Cooper Lawrence (the talking head in question) later admitted in a New York Times interview:

It was by no means limited to the Fox news debacle. It spurred a massive debate with a whole lot of people deeming the content gratuitous. Something which you're now ironically trying to do with The Witcher 2 for being progressive much like Mass Effect was back in the day.

Han Shot First wrote...

As for the Elven Bath scene in the Witcher 2, while it isn't as gratuitous as Geralt's sex scenes with prostitutes, it is far from being artistic. The dialogue in that entire scene is fairly cringe-worthy. Geralt grunts at women like a water buffalo in heat, and they hop into bed with him. If only real life were so easy!

As opposed to Shepard's classical "let's make it forty"?

And most women jump in bed with Geralt either due to money or his martial prowess and not because of his nonexistent grunting. I'd argue that those are fairly realistic motives.

Han Shot First wrote...

That, and while the scene was mostly fine (besides the bad dialogue), it crossed over into gratuitous territory when it later cut back to Geralt plowing Triss from behind. What did that add to the story? It was only there to titilate fans, much like the lame cards in the first Witcher.

The cards, which were no different from the achievements you unlock for banging people in Mass Effect, you mean? While I agree that they were lame The Witcher is far from the only game which rewards your sexual prowess in such juvenile ways.

And the reason was obvious. To add more sex to the scene. I didn't realize that sex automatically equated gratuitous ( such an overused word these days ) fanservice. Sometimes it's just sex. I think it's time we got over that. It's perfectly fine for violence to be violence so why not sex? You don't see other mediums irrationally shying away from it. Was it really necessary for Littlefinger to be surrounded by naked prostitutes in order for the plot of Game of Thrones to progress? No, but they were there anyway as part of the setting. This doesn't make them gratuitous as the scene took place in a brothel. Gratuitous would be every single peasant going around naked. Something which doesn't occur in Game of Thrones or The Witcher 2.

Sounds like you're just playing the devil's advocate here.

[ArcanaLegacy]

Zkyire wrote...

Show a child getting into a shuttle, only for it to be destroyed seconds later? Perfectly acceptable.

Shooting a fuel tank which then explodes causing a Krogan to be set on fire and burn to death, screaming? Perfectly acceptable.

Show an autistic man being strung up to some machine by his own brother, while he's screaming for help (in tears)? Perfectly fine.

Show Kelly being liquified before your own eyes? Perfectly acceptable.

Showing two adults having consensual sex? Sorry guys, that would be disgusting, so we'll have them make out (briefly) in their underwear.

HA! That made me laugh
Gotta love gaming "logic".

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

As long as the scenes are very personal and heart warming than I don't mind there being no nudity.

This a hundred times over.

Im just hoping the Garrus scenes get more intimate. Ive heard theres some sexy "pillow talk" after theyve....AHEM - sparred.

[Merengues 1945]

Elegana wrote...

ME2 with a mix of DA2.

So... just rubbish?

I mean, I'm not looking for a explicit scene, in many runs I don't even try for a romance but I think that after that ban on Malaysia or whatever country on that jungles and the Fox news ignorant opinion, they just take one of the things that make ME different... also it's just a few seconds... There're games with a lot of blood, racism and stuff of that sort and sex is banned... I mean, how the hell they think humans reproduce?

[Repearized Miranda]

Kog27 wrote...

Dear BSN,

in light of Eawares bending over and nerfing sex scenes, we would appreciate it if you refereed to these intimate moments as ROMANCE SCENES and not sex scenes(As they contain no sex!)

Thank you.

Ahh, the Sex vs. Love/Romance argument. Believe it or not, they are still sex scenes. Would you watch a film where two people are playing "Romper Room" and go: "Oh, how romantic!" I highly doubt it!

Romance is different than Sex period, but it's so sad how Romance is used to mask what it really is! 

The fact that nudity is often involved is irrevalent. 

Tali can't take her helmet off or her suit (and we know why), but if their playing "Romper Room", they're still playing "Romper Room." Neither parcipant has to disrobe themselves!

Now, if there's dialogue that implicates this:

"Let's make this more romantic by taking this elsewhere" (to my quarters), then, we know what is about to happen. That dinner date with Kelly (Femshep) was romantic, then the romp she had with Ashley (modded); however, it's masked with her saying how romantic it was. You can't swap one word for the other unless you're trying to save face!

[TheRealJayDee]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Nipples are the devil's eyeballs.

This. Also this.