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[Dariustwinblade]

Once upon a time and I still an somewhat. I was a huge fan of Command and Conquer the tiberian series.

I followed the series from the very first C&C game, red alert , Tiberian Sun and Tiberian Wars


C&C 3 was and encellent game and made alot of promise for the final end of the franchise. Which was the fourth installment. It was to end the epic saga that took TWO FRICKING DECADES OF WORK!!!!

But

When Command and Conquere 4: Tiberian Twilight.


When finally released the game reeked of fail. It was pure crap they destroyed the lore and butchered the story rectoning the story and failed to stick to the million dollar RTS formulae that C&C was famous for. HECK the series is the PIONEER of most modernday RTS gener.


Yes even the NAME REEKS OF FAIL "Tiberian TWILIGHT !!!!!WTF"  

Bottomline is the game floped and EA was to blame for the butchering of one of the greatest RTS franchises known to manking.( IMO better than StarCraft).


You think after this they would be careful but NOOOOOO! Da2 came and was just as bad as C&C 4.( IMO though slightly better)


And now finally we have this crap in ME3 that is pissing of nearly 80% of the fandom. Here
http://social.biowar...59/polls/28861/


What dose EA enjoy shooting their own franchises. I thought they had good marketing and would learn from their mistakes. DON''T DISSAPPOINT YOUR HARDCORE FANBASES.

[xtorma]

I believe in the case of ME3 they do not believe they are shooting themselves in the foot. Pre-sales are just cementing that for them. Even if the endings turn out to be true ,i do not necessarily think the whole game will be bad. I won't pay full price , but i will eventually play it.

[Nyaore]

xtorma wrote...

I believe in the case of ME3 they do not believe they are shooting themselves in the foot. Pre-sales are just cementing that for them. Even if the endings turn out to be true ,i do not necessarily think the whole game will be bad. I won't pay full price , but i will eventually play it.

Just to play devil's advocate, pre-sales aren't always indicative of progress or success. Just look at what happened with DA2. Tons of pre-sales, and then a SHARP decline in all new sales barely a month later.

[Dariustwinblade]

Da2 had nearly a 1 million preorders. After that the next month they bearly got to 2 million. Now no one even cares to look at the game.

Pre- order =/= sales quality.

Pre-order = CORE fan support.

EA shot that down with the endings.

[SilencedScream]

These are why:

[KingDan97]

Hate word because of book... Just stop OP... just stop...

[Katana Gamer]

You can see with every sequel..."we are not interested in old customers...we want new customers", Hey ppl will buy the games expecting "it cannot get worse than [insert previous sequel number]" and the new ones will fall for "this is a best place to enter in the franchise".
On the other hand sad endings are not franchise killing, it's the bad writing, buggy games, cutting of premium content to DLCs, take your pick. It's not target any more to secure constant income, it's to dazzle the investors with short-time influx of new capital.
I even believe ME3 will be a decent game, endings will garner more applause in Europe and Asia, where they are more common in media, it's the business model of "smash and grab" that will hurt it more.

[xtorma]

It's what i think, doesn't make me right

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

they even ruined the sims with the sims 3. i mean, how can you POSSIBLY ruin the sims? but they did.

[Coreniro]

Command & Conquer is a 20 year old series and you expect it to be as good as it was at the beginning?
Then, as if your thread wasn't crazy enough, your ideas upon ME3 are based on a question answered by... 500 people.
I'm happy with how ME3 is going to be, not because I think it will be a great game (whether I like it or not is my own business), or because they took a big risk changing a lot of things during the trilogy, but because it's going to ****** the "HARDCORE FANBASE" a lot. And your reactions are worth every single controversy about the game.

Modifié par Coreniro, 01 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Coreniro wrote...

Command & Conquer is a 20 year old series and you expect it to be as good as it was at the beginning?

People expected it to be like... you know... C&C? Tank rushes and such?
Not to "evolve" to what C&C4 was in gameplay and again leaving us with more questions than answers.

[Unit-Alpha]

Someone just doesn't like money and a loyal fanbase, I suppose.

Seems like crappy business to me, but what do I know? I'm only a business minor.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 01 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Elkki]

Yes even the NAME REEKS OF FAIL "Tiberian TWILIGHT !!!!!WTF"

I don't think so.

Regards, Twilight Sparkle

[Dark Specie]

Read Terry Pratchett's "Going Postal" and see how the Grand Trunk does business. Then maybe you'll see

[Coreniro]

You want to play a good RTS game? Play Command & Conquer Red Alert. It's still a good game. RTS mechanics haven't evolved so much since 1995, so you won't feel like living in the past. And besides, those red and green-themed sprites were really inspired.

[Geirahod]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Someone just doesn't like money and a loyal fanbase, I suppose.

Seems like crappy business to me, but what do I know? I'm only a business minor.

This...

but for 10 fans they lose they gain thousands...since there are so many "happy" with the endings already, I can't understand how a old fan can be happy with this...

This is just...wrong...

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Coreniro wrote...

You want to play a good RTS game? Play Command & Conquer Red Alert. It's still a good game. RTS mechanics haven't evolved so much since 1995, so you won't feel like living in the past. And besides, those red and green-themed sprites were really inspired.

Well, you don't start with huge battles in C&C and then change them to short battles like in Dawn of War. That's what got most people away from C&C 4.

You don't change the series fundamentals in the end, because like the endings here, the last taste you get is the one that will stay there and if it's bad...

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 01 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[sorentoft]

Try to search for Extra Credits on Penny Arcade and find their video on publishers. It gives an alright perspective into that world.

Personally I do not really blame EA for thinking like business people, that's their job in the Studio-Publisher relationship. Something has honestly gone wrong if EA has to hire testers to check if there is potential PR disaster in the games their studios develop.

[Hejdun]

You really have to wonder where Bioware's going to go after this. In 13 months they've destroyed their two flagship IPs, and now they're left with just TOR. It takes like 5-6 years to develop new IP, does anyone really think EA will keep Bioware around that long churning out only TOR expansions?

Mass Effect IP has been burned to the ground. No more space travel, no more mass effect... it's basically dead and gone.
Dragon Age has been made a farce with DA2, and DA3 looks poised to poison the well even worse.

I can't see Bioware surviving another 3 years. They had the prestige to survive DA2's flop, but the expectations for ME3 are massively higher, and to have two gigantic flops in a span of a year seems un-recoverable.

[DXLelouch15]

the endings are PR disasters so why in the blue hell didnt a tester speak up

[Kroepoek]

Hejdun wrote...

You really have to wonder where Bioware's going to go after this. In 13 months they've destroyed their two flagship IPs, and now they're left with just TOR. It takes like 5-6 years to develop new IP, does anyone really think EA will keep Bioware around that long churning out only TOR expansions?

Mass Effect IP has been burned to the ground. No more space travel, no more mass effect... it's basically dead and gone.
Dragon Age has been made a farce with DA2, and DA3 looks poised to poison the well even worse.

I can't see Bioware surviving another 3 years. They had the prestige to survive DA2's flop, but the expectations for ME3 are massively higher, and to have two gigantic flops in a span of a year seems un-recoverable.

Implying SWTOR isn't a flop aswell.

[Unit-Alpha]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Hejdun wrote...

You really have to wonder where Bioware's going to go after this. In 13 months they've destroyed their two flagship IPs, and now they're left with just TOR. It takes like 5-6 years to develop new IP, does anyone really think EA will keep Bioware around that long churning out only TOR expansions?

Mass Effect IP has been burned to the ground. No more space travel, no more mass effect... it's basically dead and gone.
Dragon Age has been made a farce with DA2, and DA3 looks poised to poison the well even worse.

I can't see Bioware surviving another 3 years. They had the prestige to survive DA2's flop, but the expectations for ME3 are massively higher, and to have two gigantic flops in a span of a year seems un-recoverable.

Implying SWTOR isn't a flop aswell.

Haha, watch the subscripts fall after the release of ME3. TOR was a $300 million sinkhole for EA.

There's about to be a monsoon.

[Elite Midget]

Coreniro wrote...

You want to play a good RTS game? Play Command & Conquer Red Alert. It's still a good game. RTS mechanics haven't evolved so much since 1995, so you won't feel like living in the past. And besides, those red and green-themed sprites were really inspired.

C&C4 kinda killed the C&C series, there wont be any hype if they made C&C5 or C&CRA4.

[AkiKishi]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Hejdun wrote...

You really have to wonder where Bioware's going to go after this. In 13 months they've destroyed their two flagship IPs, and now they're left with just TOR. It takes like 5-6 years to develop new IP, does anyone really think EA will keep Bioware around that long churning out only TOR expansions?

Mass Effect IP has been burned to the ground. No more space travel, no more mass effect... it's basically dead and gone.
Dragon Age has been made a farce with DA2, and DA3 looks poised to poison the well even worse.

I can't see Bioware surviving another 3 years. They had the prestige to survive DA2's flop, but the expectations for ME3 are massively higher, and to have two gigantic flops in a span of a year seems un-recoverable.

Implying SWTOR isn't a flop aswell.

As long as they had ME3 in reserve they were safe. But EA was expecting Skyrim type numbers Bioware only have Bioware numbers.

[Unit-Alpha]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Hejdun wrote...

You really have to wonder where Bioware's going to go after this. In 13 months they've destroyed their two flagship IPs, and now they're left with just TOR. It takes like 5-6 years to develop new IP, does anyone really think EA will keep Bioware around that long churning out only TOR expansions?

Mass Effect IP has been burned to the ground. No more space travel, no more mass effect... it's basically dead and gone.
Dragon Age has been made a farce with DA2, and DA3 looks poised to poison the well even worse.

I can't see Bioware surviving another 3 years. They had the prestige to survive DA2's flop, but the expectations for ME3 are massively higher, and to have two gigantic flops in a span of a year seems un-recoverable.

Implying SWTOR isn't a flop aswell.

As long as they had ME3 in reserve they were safe. But EA was expecting Skyrim type numbers Bioware only have Bioware numbers.

Yeah, Fallout and TES will be the only WRPGs getting 10+ million numbers for a while. Bioware's got a long way to go.