It seems every time someone accomplishes something on PC like a solo run, in come Xboxers et al. and say, it's easy, you play on PC. I have no idea since I have never played on the console but I can't imagine it being that much easier. It just sounds like a way of putting people down.
So is PC really that much easier than console?
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:17
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If someone thinks controllers are worse, maybe he or she just shouldn't have bought a console in the first place.
All the console players I know are absolutely convinced, that console controllers are so much better than keyboard and mouse. I for my part totally suck at playing with controllers.
All the console players I know are absolutely convinced, that console controllers are so much better than keyboard and mouse. I for my part totally suck at playing with controllers.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:18
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I've never played ME3 on console. But I have played some FPS's on both console and PC.
I am a PC player, so I have an obvious learning bias.
However, as objectively as I can state this, it seems to me that playing with a keyboard + mouse (really, the mouse specifically) makes FPS's much easier. On consoles, movement and looking and generally handled by two joysticks, and while you can get quite good at it through practice, I don't think it will ever have the responsive nature of a mouse. It's very easy to make subtle movements on a mouse, and it's just as easy to make quick jerking movements.
As far as I can tell, it's not possible to accomplish the same thing with controller joysticks. You can't maintain the ability to turn a full 360 degrees with one fast swoop of a mouse on a joystick, while simultaneously maintaing the control needed to move your scope crosshair a single pixel.
I am a PC player, so I have an obvious learning bias.
However, as objectively as I can state this, it seems to me that playing with a keyboard + mouse (really, the mouse specifically) makes FPS's much easier. On consoles, movement and looking and generally handled by two joysticks, and while you can get quite good at it through practice, I don't think it will ever have the responsive nature of a mouse. It's very easy to make subtle movements on a mouse, and it's just as easy to make quick jerking movements.
As far as I can tell, it's not possible to accomplish the same thing with controller joysticks. You can't maintain the ability to turn a full 360 degrees with one fast swoop of a mouse on a joystick, while simultaneously maintaing the control needed to move your scope crosshair a single pixel.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:25
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A big part of that is how you play. Im a console player for this game (PC for others) and I never put myself into a situation where I absolutely have to do an instant 180 turn (like you could do with a mouse) to save myself or the run.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:26
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I play on both Xbox and PC and for my part I find it much more effective to play on PC. For instance, when soloing the bronze mode on my Vanguard on PC I have absolutely no problem. On the Xbox trying the same feat is a tad more difficult because it takes a little longer to turn and acquire targets to charge with the thumbstick in comparison to the mouse. I also find headshotting much easier with the mouse. Is it game breakingly different? No, but I definitely prefer to play on PC now that I've tried it on both.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:27
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PC is far superior to console. In every way. Whether that makes the game easier...I do not know. You can argue that mouse + keyboard is more precise and therefore requires more skill to handle properly.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:29
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Honestly I think xbox players have an advantage from the majority of them having working mics. It's dead silent in almost every run I play in on the PC.
Also in ME most of the abilities are targetted, so you just need to sort of get close to the opponent. I don't know if the xbox version has some kind of aimbot installed, if not I don't see how they can be effective with guns like a PC player can, but /shrug
I'd love to see a video of a great vanguard or infiltrator xbox player. Vanguards need to turn quickly and precisely to bounce around and infils need to obviously have good aim.
FPS games have devolved a bit from a decade ago, these days very little turning is required because everything is a corridor and everything moves so slow that you don't really need a mouse to get through it.
Also in ME most of the abilities are targetted, so you just need to sort of get close to the opponent. I don't know if the xbox version has some kind of aimbot installed, if not I don't see how they can be effective with guns like a PC player can, but /shrug
I'd love to see a video of a great vanguard or infiltrator xbox player. Vanguards need to turn quickly and precisely to bounce around and infils need to obviously have good aim.
FPS games have devolved a bit from a decade ago, these days very little turning is required because everything is a corridor and everything moves so slow that you don't really need a mouse to get through it.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:29
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PC has harder enemies because aiming is much swifter on the PC.
If this wasn't the case I would agree with them.
If this wasn't the case I would agree with them.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:30
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Console's controlers can't be as precise as mouse+keyboard if you compare 2 persons with the same skill level and gaming experience. And even more, with a pad, you can't bind all your skills.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:31
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According to Christina Norman, the lead gameplay designer of ME2, enemies are tougher on PC than consoles because K&M have superior precision and control. Dunno if that still applies to ME3, but I wouldnt be surprised if it does.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:31
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Elecbender wrote...
PC has harder enemies because aiming is much swifter on the PC.
If this wasn't the case I would agree with them.
Do you have any proof of this?
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:31
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My PC gaming days aren't that far away, so i remember. Aiming and moving ARE easier with a mouse, but the difference isn't fundamental.
EDIT: Especially as many games help you stat-wise (as the others pointed out) or have some kind of aim-assist.
EDIT: Especially as many games help you stat-wise (as the others pointed out) or have some kind of aim-assist.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:33
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:"Harder" as that person used it is rather subjective, but if it's meant in terms of enemy health and defenses or the power of weapons, a crude comparison might be made by paying close attention to gameplay videos on youtube.jimmyw404 wrote...
Elecbender wrote...
PC has harder enemies because aiming is much swifter on the PC.
If this wasn't the case I would agree with them.
Do you have any proof of this?
What I can say re: the difference is simply looking around on console is sluggish.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:34
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I like console gaming better, personaly.
Mouse is pretty precise though, but the controller is just more "relaxed" to use and I'm almost as precise with it as I am with the mouse. I can pretty much rest myself on the couch as I play the games.
It's my peference.
Mouse is pretty precise though, but the controller is just more "relaxed" to use and I'm almost as precise with it as I am with the mouse. I can pretty much rest myself on the couch as I play the games.
It's my peference.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:35
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Kamlol wrote...
Console's controlers can't be as precise as mouse+keyboard if you compare 2 persons with the same skill level and gaming experience. And even more, with a pad, you can't bind all your skills.
Forgot about that. That's awful for classes such as the Engineer who needs to utilize powers on-the-fly. Probably one of the reasons why it was the least favorite class in ME2.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:36
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Solo runs are possible. We jus have to deal with the power wheel for the caster classes. Kinect is going to add something interesting to the table this time...I might do an insanity run where I only use voice commands for powers.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:38
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I really don't find my PS3 pad "relaxing" at all. After playing FPS/TPS or whatever where you have to aim, my fingers hurt because of "stress" in them.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:39
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Oh...and there is a 360 controller coming put for ME3 that has two more shoulder buttons which means 5 powers can be mapped for Shepard. Console players who play vanguard might give PC players a run for their money.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:40
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NICKjnp wrote...
Solo runs are possible. We jus have to deal with the power wheel for the caster classes. Kinect is going to add something interesting to the table this time...I might do an insanity run where I only use voice commands for powers.
Voice commands will always be slower than pressing keys. Even several keys. Just think how many keys you can press in the time it takes you to say "adrenaline rush" or whatever they use.
I set up a fully voice automated bot shaman in WoW to follow me around and heal my warrior. I got tired of yelling at him so I bound all his abilities to my keyboard instead.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:42
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jimmyw404 wrote...
Elecbender wrote...
PC has harder enemies because aiming is much swifter on the PC.
If this wasn't the case I would agree with them.
Do you have any proof of this?
Look at the post above yours.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:43
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I have the ME3 demo on PC and PS3. I have to be honest, I am terrible with the controller, my aiming is abysmal!! I think this is down to years of playing FPS on the PC. Are the enemies harder on PC, could not tell you, but I have seen very good console players on FPS and same for PC and I have to say that the PC players seem a lot quicker and more proficient at what they do.......where did auto aim originate, PC or console. Anyway I love my PS3 before anyone goes down THAT route.....
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:44
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Turning speed can be improved noticeably on the console by setting controller sensitivty to high - makes vanguarding much easier.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:47
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Elecbender wrote...
jimmyw404 wrote...
Elecbender wrote...
PC has harder enemies because aiming is much swifter on the PC.
If this wasn't the case I would agree with them.
Do you have any proof of this?
Look at the post above yours.
I couldn't find the quote from Christina Norman nor could I find anything that said that was true in ME3(Which I would expect it to be if it were in ME2). But I guess I'm more interested in a comparison than a loose statement from a designer.
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Posté 01 mars 2012 - 07:54
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I game on PC and 360 and have played on PS3. It boils down to the equipment of the PC player. The console controllers are designed for gaming but your standard computer mouse is not.
You can get gaming mice (I'm running the Logitech G700) which have massively customizable DPI (dots per inch) settings and custom buttons. With the DPI it's more than just the percentage sensitivity but how fast the screen pointer moves relative to the mouse laser. Eg. setting the DPI to 1500 and the pointer moves insanely fast. At 100 DPI you need your entire desk to get from the "minimize" button to the "close" button on your web browser. Finding the perfect sensitivity and being able to use your entire hand to move can make it a lot easier to land on target. More muscles involved for fine-motor movement.
Custom buttons are also a big plus. On consoles, usually there are only pre-created profiles. They usually always make sense though so it's often not a problem. On my G700, there are three buttons on the left side of the left mouse button. Just enough for all three active powers in MP. Super fast to get to. And my thumb has 4 more buttons for equipment and melee. However high-end gaming mice are expensive. I could buy two console controllers for the price I paid for my mouse.
Now on the other hand consoles have the advantage of design. With a mouse if you want your character to spin on the spot you need to move your mouse left, pick it up when you run out of space, go right, place the mouse down again and move left. Consoles: thumb left on your joystick and spin. The buttons are laid out to be easy to get to, your fingers never more than an inch away from a button. On PC, the medi-gel and survivor packs are default 8 and 7. A hand-width away.
Consoles are also more comfortable in the long run. The shape of the controller is ergonomically designed for natural positioning of the hand. Plus you can sit anywhere. I've tried playing ME2 upside down once. But usually PC players are at a desk to table. You can sit with a laptop on your lap but they get hot when you game for a long time. Hotter if you have a gaming laptop. A cooling lap-pad solves this but sitting with that weight on your legs for a few hours gets really uncomfortable really fast. I don't need to say that a console controller is way lighter and you can actually recline on a sofa.
This is an extremely basic look and there's endless advantages and disadvantages for both. I've played both and really I don't find any total advantage that makes either one a "king".
For those who say that console controllers are better I ask you: Have you tried playing with a high-end gaming mouse that's customized for yourself? If not then your view on PC gaming is missing a crucial element.
You can get gaming mice (I'm running the Logitech G700) which have massively customizable DPI (dots per inch) settings and custom buttons. With the DPI it's more than just the percentage sensitivity but how fast the screen pointer moves relative to the mouse laser. Eg. setting the DPI to 1500 and the pointer moves insanely fast. At 100 DPI you need your entire desk to get from the "minimize" button to the "close" button on your web browser. Finding the perfect sensitivity and being able to use your entire hand to move can make it a lot easier to land on target. More muscles involved for fine-motor movement.
Custom buttons are also a big plus. On consoles, usually there are only pre-created profiles. They usually always make sense though so it's often not a problem. On my G700, there are three buttons on the left side of the left mouse button. Just enough for all three active powers in MP. Super fast to get to. And my thumb has 4 more buttons for equipment and melee. However high-end gaming mice are expensive. I could buy two console controllers for the price I paid for my mouse.
Now on the other hand consoles have the advantage of design. With a mouse if you want your character to spin on the spot you need to move your mouse left, pick it up when you run out of space, go right, place the mouse down again and move left. Consoles: thumb left on your joystick and spin. The buttons are laid out to be easy to get to, your fingers never more than an inch away from a button. On PC, the medi-gel and survivor packs are default 8 and 7. A hand-width away.
Consoles are also more comfortable in the long run. The shape of the controller is ergonomically designed for natural positioning of the hand. Plus you can sit anywhere. I've tried playing ME2 upside down once. But usually PC players are at a desk to table. You can sit with a laptop on your lap but they get hot when you game for a long time. Hotter if you have a gaming laptop. A cooling lap-pad solves this but sitting with that weight on your legs for a few hours gets really uncomfortable really fast. I don't need to say that a console controller is way lighter and you can actually recline on a sofa.
This is an extremely basic look and there's endless advantages and disadvantages for both. I've played both and really I don't find any total advantage that makes either one a "king".
For those who say that console controllers are better I ask you: Have you tried playing with a high-end gaming mouse that's customized for yourself? If not then your view on PC gaming is missing a crucial element.
