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[Blackwolf 4578]

FIX THE ENDING I know you people at bioware wanted the theme of the last game to be about sacrifice but at what point do WE sacrifice to much for all of us who bought ALL the games ALL the DLC's stayed loyal fans through the years fought so hard united the galaxy behind us just so we could see the happy ending we worked so hard for, all I wanted was to see the reapers destroyed see a conclusion for my squadmates and maybe a wedding for my LI maybe some kids....at what point do WE sacrifice to much

HOLD THE LINE

[Saturn Prime]

I finished ME3 last night. While I can tolerate the ending, I still think Bioware should flesh out the epilogue. I think the game is still great game and I'm glad I paid for it, but I'm not going to pick up any new Mass Effect console game or any large Bioware project. I didn't buy the last season of Lost on Blu-ray and don't watch Alcatraz for the same reason.

Here's what I suggest for the PAX East Panel:

Bring your ME3 game boxes. (Just the box, you don't need to bring your disc). Come to the PAX ME panel and just raise your game box when you sit down. Just keep your hand up from when you sit down to until they address the ending. 10 minutes tops and switch arms if you need to. If you don't have a game box, just raise your hand. The purpose is just to show in a civil way your dissatisfaction with the ending. I think its preferable to standing or holding signs or chanting. PAX abides by Wheaton's Rule. It is easier to say the views are held by a small handful until you can prove otherwise. It may be helpful to sit towards the back or all on the left/right side and to pass those instructions out to the queue before the panel. Otherwise, I think the panel may just stretch the panel for time or add a longer costume contest to cut question time to 5 minutes. Questions will likely be at the end of the panel and they will get hammered no matter if this hand raising demonstration occurs or not. A visual indication of the dissatisfied/disappointed percentage will be important for Bioware to see.

Does anyone else think this may be a good idea?

[joshiasi]

I'm sure BIOWARE will be having a busy day in PAX and for sure its about 1 thing.

[WebScud]

Hmm. This is running the same time as the Naughty Dog panel.

That's a tough choice.

[UrgentArchengel]

April 6th is gonna either be a total relief, and an end of most of the turmoil, or will be a total s***fest of crap excuses and disappointment. Wish I could go, Rooster Teeth's panel is the same day.

Edit:Yeah, and hold the line and all that stuff...fight the machine. Lol.

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 18 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Aensland75]

I still have hope that either the endings will be fixed or atleast clarified.
If they don't give us answer then I will still enjoy Mass Effect 3 except for the last 10 minute.
But I will hestitate to buy any future Bioware games except Mass Effect universe games, because I still hope for the better.

[evillamor]

If there is no ending fix announced, I am pretty sure there is going to be a sniper rifle being fired at the spokesperson.

[MisterP146]

evillamor wrote...

If there is no ending fix announced, I am pretty sure there is going to be a sniper rifle being fired at the spokesperson.

At the very minimum the internet is certain to explode. Again.

[greghorvath]

It would be great to have an updated bodycount for brutes, cause I am dead sick of fighting the reapers...

[Ajx-]

Good luck, I hear the reapers are the hardest
<== ps3 user

[avatar2396]

even if they dont plan on doing anything about the ending if they dont at least say its something we are looking into they have the dumbest PR staff in history

[sheppard7]

They better not arrive expecting people to be happy to hear about 4/20/12 when they release action figures that come with codes for MP playable races. That news is already known and mentioned in GameInformer magazine.

[Lilarcor01]

I can just hope that we all can receive some positive answers regarding the endings and maybe, just maybe a fix or epilogue DLC. Looking forward to the panel Chris!
Don't let us down!

[jbauck]

Lilarcor01 wrote...

I can just hope that we all can receive some positive answers regarding the endings and maybe, just maybe a fix or epilogue DLC. Looking forward to the panel Chris!
Don't let us down!

This quote, specifically, I think, exemplifies the best of what could happen: BW could acknowledge the upset, and deliver some outstanding news that would be well-received about what they're going to do about the widespread dissatisfaction about the endings.

Some other posts talk about demanding answers, pinning employees to the wall (in a verbal sense ) and such, in a way that could easily become disruptive.  I can't attend, as I'm on the west coast, so the only thing I can do is make a suggestion for those attending because they want answers about the ending/to express their displeasure about the ending.

Make a sign that looks like this:
A B C

Meh ... that's supposed to be a blue "A", a green "B" and a red "C" but I am having no luck with the colors.

Maybe throw in a "Hold The Line" at the bottom.  Different people have different problems with the ending, but as a response to the pre-release "you won't get an A,B,C" ending, it pretty much sums up the idea that most of us who didn't like the ending feel BW didn't deliver on what they said they would.  Also, the sign would be very easy to make for anyone - you just need crayons and paper.  Simple, direct, and if enough people do it, unified.

I think that many people have said what they want to say here on the forums, and it would be a nice gesture to not disrupt the panel by taking over and demanding answers, but to simply hold up your sign in response to anything they say about the endings that smacks of PR double-speak or non-answers ... or if the ending isn't talked about at all.

If you're carrying around an A B C sign, you can identify the other people who are there for the same reason, and maybe organize a little on-site.  Nominate a spokesperson to ask about the endings?  Hold up your signs when they do?

Good luck to everyone attending (BW employees included ).

Modifié par jbauck, 18 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[ArmyKnifeX]

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Modifié par ArmyKnifeX, 18 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[DeadxTime686]

I do hope that Bioware will speak up about the endings. I understand that you wanted a bittersweet ending but you dont just end your game abrubtly if its a trilogy. Thats just bad business. As well as the sacrifice ending is starting to get overused whether you notice it or not alot of movies and games have the main chracter dying. People say that EA tainted the ending but they just make sure the game makes money. It was Bioware who chose these endings and thought there would not be any reprecutions. Now im new here but i have looked at all sorts of fourms and I see both sides of this outrage.They did not want a forgettable ending well he made one that most players want to forget and despise.  Please hear us fans Bioware and dont be arrogant and say "well we think our ending is cool now buy our dlc thats not going to effect the outcome of the ending and stop complaining .  Though judging from what i read I bet this is going to happen. "We didn't want our ending to be forgettable" well your going to have an unforgettable moment when most people trade in their copies of Mass Effect 3 and dlc sales are poor. People who say that if they give in to demands they will show that they messed up and hurt future sales. That is false information if they do make a ending dlc it shows that they do care about the consumer and it will actually boost sales including future dlc. Lastly if there will be no ending dlc then i hope there will be a love interest dlc just to hang out with him or her before SPOILERS you get blown to bits or turn into a transformer. Come to think about it i might not even buy that. Please actually pay attention Bioware and listen to what we have to say at least for consideration.

Modifié par DeadxTime686, 19 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Shatterhand1701]

Whoever is going, above all, be CIVIL. The moment you start getting snarky and nasty, Bioware will do one of two things: 1. Utterly ignore you. 2. Have you thrown out of the panel. So, while you may be feeling strident, think before opening your mouths.

Honestly, I really think Bioware will put a limit on the amount of discussion they'll have about the endings, if not totally forbid the subject from discussion. I'm sure they'll say SOMETHING about it; the eyes of the fans and the media will be on them more than almost any other company, considering the size of the controversy, and to be completely silent about the ME3 ending fiasco would be tantamount to mass suicide for them. However, you know damn well they're not going to want to fill up the entire panel with discussion about the ending alone. So, probably be prepared for the questions to be carefully screened and limited, and for the answers to be frustratingly vague.

What I think they should do (and I know they won't) is they should randomly issue tickets or something to a number of spectators, and when the public panel is done, invite the ticket-holders for a private, informal discussion between them and the devs about the ending...a summit, if you will, where the endings can be hashed out in more detail. Like I said, it won't happen...but it would be a great way to reach out to their fanbase and show genuine concern for their product and the people who buy it.

[Trackrtar]

Those shirts look awesome!!! I may buy one even though I am not going.

[avatar2396]

DeadxTime686 wrote...

I do hope that Bioware will speak up about the endings. I understand that you wanted a bittersweet ending but you dont just end your game abrubtly if its a trilogy. Thats just bad business. As well as the sacrifice ending is starting to get overused whether you notice it or not alot of movies and games have the main chracter dying. People say that EA tainted the ending but they just make sure the game makes money. It was Bioware who chose these endings and thought there would not be any reprecutions. Now im new here but i have looked at all sorts of fourms and I see both sides of this outrage.They did not want a forgettable ending well he made one that most players want to forget and despise.  Please hear us fans Bioware and dont be arrogant and say "well we think our ending is cool now buy our dlc thats not going to effect the outcome of the ending and stop complaining .  Though judging from what i read I bet this is going to happen. "We didn't want our ending to be forgettable" well your going to have an unforgettable moment when most people trade in their copies of Mass Effect 3 and dlc sales are poor. People who say that if they give in to demands they will show that they messed up and hurt future sales. That is false information if they do make a ending dlc it shows that they do care about the consumer and it will actually boost sales including future dlc. Lastly if there will be no ending dlc then i hope there will be a love interest dlc just to hang out with him or her before SPOILERS you get blown to bits or turn into a transformer. Come to think about it i might not even buy that. Please actually pay attention Bioware and listen to what we have to say at least for consideration.

I agree with this post. The whol sacrafice thing is kind of overblown. Its ok for a movie or movie trilogy or even here if its one of the options. However as opposed to a movie you put anywhere from 100-200 hours into these games so some people want to have some sort of resolution better than this whether it be happy or not.

Also there is nothing new or fresh in this ending. Essentially the whole synergy ending is pretty much taken from the original star trek movies back in the late 70's. I was like you have to be kidding me. Its almost as if writers are afraid to go with a standard ending for some strange feeling they have that its an affront to their artistic creativity

[avatar2396]

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[DeadxTime686]

avatar2396 wrote...

I agree with this post. The whol sacrafice thing is kind of overblown. Its ok for a movie or movie trilogy or even here if its one of the options. However as opposed to a movie you put anywhere from 100-200 hours into these games so some people want to have some sort of resolution better than this whether it be happy or not.

Also there is nothing new or fresh in this ending. Essentially the whole synergy ending is pretty much taken from the original star trek movies back in the late 70's. I was like you have to be kidding me. Its almost as if writers are afraid to go with a standard ending for some strange feeling they have that its an affront to their artistic creativity

   Thank you for seeing that these endings are while perfect for some movies like The Grey it should not be ending to every single thing. With The Grey SPOILERS the main character is not going to find a magical outpost he's going to have to make a last satnd and hope for the best END SPOILERS. I do agree on that one of the endings should be a sacrifice ending and thats ok for one not all of the endings.  I guess we can only hope that  Bioware will see the issue for some people and this is not just a group of angry four year olds. If we raised 40,000 dollars for charity on day one to change the ending thats not just a small group of angry fans thats over half the fanbase. By the way did anyone find Mirandas romance to be lacking compared to Ashley or Liara? Thats one of the reasons they should make post ending dlc. To see your love interest be with you after the end of the game would appeal to alot of fans.

[mattynutz]

Boston is a huge college town. I think there are somewhere around a hundred colleges in the greater boston area. UMass. MIT. BU. Harvard. Northeastern. Brandeis. Berkelee. Especially MIT. I'm sure there are a lot of disappointed ME fans there. They should attend en masse and ask the hard questions, just like our favorite reporter.

[avatar2396]

mattynutz wrote...

Boston is a huge college town. I think there are somewhere around a hundred colleges in the greater boston area. UMass. MIT. BU. Harvard. Northeastern. Brandeis. Berkelee. Especially MIT. I'm sure there are a lot of disappointed ME fans there. They should attend en masse and ask the hard questions, just like our favorite reporter.

I live in mass and per population it has or close to the most colleges than almost any other state. There are also tons of colleges within in a 20-30 mile radius outside of the city. Unfortunately i cant attend but i would be there if i could

[avatar2396]

DeadxTime686 wrote...

avatar2396 wrote...

I agree with this post. The whol sacrafice thing is kind of overblown. Its ok for a movie or movie trilogy or even here if its one of the options. However as opposed to a movie you put anywhere from 100-200 hours into these games so some people want to have some sort of resolution better than this whether it be happy or not.

Also there is nothing new or fresh in this ending. Essentially the whole synergy ending is pretty much taken from the original star trek movies back in the late 70's. I was like you have to be kidding me. Its almost as if writers are afraid to go with a standard ending for some strange feeling they have that its an affront to their artistic creativity

   Thank you for seeing that these endings are while perfect for some movies like The Grey it should not be ending to every single thing. With The Grey SPOILERS the main character is not going to find a magical outpost he's going to have to make a last satnd and hope for the best END SPOILERS. I do agree on that one of the endings should be a sacrifice ending and thats ok for one not all of the endings.  I guess we can only hope that  Bioware will see the issue for some people and this is not just a group of angry four year olds. If we raised 40,000 dollars for charity on day one to change the ending thats not just a small group of angry fans thats over half the fanbase. By the way did anyone find Mirandas romance to be lacking compared to Ashley or Liara? Thats one of the reasons they should make post ending dlc. To see your love interest be with you after the end of the game would appeal to alot of fans.

Personally with the LI aspet of the game  if you survive, this would also require an conclusion rewrite You could have a cut scene on what happens to shepard. 

For instance if you romance miranda you could rebuild cerberus into a black ops group, tali, help her build her home on the quarrian homeworld etc... 

I also would of liked to see some sort of confrontation with harbinger in the game. 

[DeadxTime686]

avatar2396 wrote...

DeadxTime686 wrote...

avatar2396 wrote...

  

Personally with the LI aspet of the game  if you survive, this would also require an conclusion rewrite You could have a cut scene on what happens to shepard. 

For instance if you romance miranda you could rebuild cerberus into a black ops group, tali, help her build her home on the quarrian homeworld etc... 

I also would of liked to see some sort of confrontation with harbinger in the game. 

   Excellent points avatar. I was wondering why Harbinger was only in the game for a couple of minutes. I know that Bioware is getting hit very hard with Harbinger as well as the ending but whos fault is that for rushing the end. Nobody can deny that they want a little bit extra of something with the ending whether it be a complete rewrite or just a better explanation or have a certain question answered. With the love interests they must also realize most of us players are not squeaky teens we are mature young men and women and adults. We should be treated as such. You have well thought out ideas about working with your LI after the game. Bioware must realize that we players can handle game romance that is more than just a kiss than you go skipping away to the Normandy.It also does not just have to be LI's we could help Garrus on Palaven (assuming they change the end) or going to james vegas N7 ceremony or something. Or how about more a more intricate romance for Miranda. I was kind of dissapointed that she just mainly used you for information and never told you what she was doing until SPOILERS you have to rescue her and her sister END SPOILERS. Back to the confrontation with Harbinger what happened to that missle launcher you used on that reaper before Harbinger came down to London. That could do some serious damage! I remeber watching a youtube video called mass effect ending and why we hate it and the man makes very good points including why dont we rewrite the reapers code using an IFF or something and send them back to dark space? There are so many possibillities that could have been done yet they chose the typical sacrifice ending to wrap up one of mine and others favorite series that has been a thrill ride until the last minutes which to most people confusing and depressing.
  

Modifié par DeadxTime686, 19 mars 2012 - 07:26 .