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[Discarnate19]

Did I watch the right panel video on YouTube? Did they really not answer (or even ask to hear) any of the attendees questions?

[Sanctioned Psyker]

15 minutes of questions in a one hour panel was rather generous. Unfortunately, most of the question-askers were... long-winded. "Keep it brief," indeed. It always seems to invite the opposite.

[Keyrlis]

makalathbonagin wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

That entire PAX panel felt like a swift kick to my balls as a gamer. I wasn't even that mad at bioware/EA until the panel then I just felt disrespected and a little disgusted.

yeah there isn't much left to say really
i think this guy explains pretty well why all this frustration at bioware

This guy's video ^^ explains it like I wish I had.

[Silent Rogue]

Anyone else annoyed by the second to last guy to ask his "question"?

[jamminjamin]

What a waste of time... No relevant questions were asked... no important answers given... complete and utter waste of time. I mean, seriously. How are people sooo interested in fluff and shallow things about the game when the elephant in the room was ingnored?????

Fix the unfinished game!!

[Redbelle]

I don't want to wallow in ending misery but just to point something out.

ME2 DLC was wrapped up around a year after the initial launch date. ( I think that's right).

As such, ME3 DLC still has a wide window of DLC content to be released. Hopefully that will enhance or add to the single player mode. While a knee jerk fix to the ending might have been desired it assumes that BW don't have a long term plan for ME3 DLC content.

Come Aug BW will be present at a conference where BW's Fernando Melo will outline how the studio has organized and crafted a long-term plan for each of its major new releases. This may include DA and ME.

Despite the disappointment in the announcement that nothing will be changed and clarity added it does not entirely rule out a final chapter to be released at a later date.

Of greater interest atm for me is BW's plans on how it will manage it's DLC. From ashes has already raised questions of core game content being seperated and packaged individually. Should BW continue this trend it bodes ill for gamers who can no longer have confidence that game companies will not try and extract a little extra cash from their wallets.

[Ravenmyste]

Redbelle wrote...

I don't want to wallow in ending misery but just to point something out.

ME2 DLC was wrapped up around a year after the initial launch date. ( I think that's right).

As such, ME3 DLC still has a wide window of DLC content to be released. Hopefully that will enhance or add to the single player mode. While a knee jerk fix to the ending might have been desired it assumes that BW don't have a long term plan for ME3 DLC content.

Come Aug BW will be present at a conference where BW's Fernando Melo will outline how the studio has organized and crafted a long-term plan for each of its major new releases. This may include DA and ME.

Despite the disappointment in the announcement that nothing will be changed and clarity added it does not entirely rule out a final chapter to be released at a later date.

Of greater interest atm for me is BW's plans on how it will manage it's DLC. From ashes has already raised questions of core game content being seperated and packaged individually. Should BW continue this trend it bodes ill for gamers who can no longer have confidence that game companies will not try and extract a little extra cash from their wallets.

nice trolling, and you dont know what youre talking about  at all lol, as for the "core" you hada chance to buy it when the collector edtion was selling  you fault for not taking advantage it, second  you should be glad that  EA decided to sell it instead iof  saying screw off to the ones that are complaing about the way they make money on things that   the collectors edition had  for "free". and you think that standard edtion  should get for  free you bought what you paid for..

if you really want to  make  statement  go post on capcom board and  cry about how you have to pay for a ending that should been in the game and selling its  a true ending

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 21 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[Redbelle]

Ravenmyste wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I don't want to wallow in ending misery but just to point something out.

ME2 DLC was wrapped up around a year after the initial launch date. ( I think that's right).

As such, ME3 DLC still has a wide window of DLC content to be released. Hopefully that will enhance or add to the single player mode. While a knee jerk fix to the ending might have been desired it assumes that BW don't have a long term plan for ME3 DLC content.

Come Aug BW will be present at a conference where BW's Fernando Melo will outline how the studio has organized and crafted a long-term plan for each of its major new releases. This may include DA and ME.

Despite the disappointment in the announcement that nothing will be changed and clarity added it does not entirely rule out a final chapter to be released at a later date.

Of greater interest atm for me is BW's plans on how it will manage it's DLC. From ashes has already raised questions of core game content being seperated and packaged individually. Should BW continue this trend it bodes ill for gamers who can no longer have confidence that game companies will not try and extract a little extra cash from their wallets.

nice trolling, and you dont know what youre talking about  at all lol, as for the "core" you hada chance to buy it when the collector edtion was selling  you fault for not taking advantage it, second  you should be glad that  EA decided to sell it instead iof  saying screw off to the ones that are complaing about the way they make money on things that   the collectors edition had  for "free". and you think that standard edtion  should get for  free you bought what you paid for..

if you really want to  make  statement  go post on capcom board and  cry about how you have to pay for a ending that should been in the game and selling its  a true ending

Oooooooo, kay. I think I need to provide a little clarification on what I posted for the benefit of the replier.

The first part of the post spoke of what we could expect from BW in terms of DLC. We have all seen the MP aspect of the DLC but not much on the single player front. Judging from BW's past efforts, looking at ME2 in particular, it is reasonable to assume BW will keep DLC content going for a year as DLC becomes a more integrated part of game design.

If you want a reference to that conference in which long term strategies BW will use for their titles the link here.

http://www.ibtimes.c...-effect-dlc.htm

The point is that BW are using long term strategies to handle their products after release so additional DLC that is a 'bonus' to the game can be expected. I'd be surprised if they didn't based on their track record. Therefore if BW do have extra ending gameplay in hand, the DLC production window goes on till next march.

On the matter of ME3 From Ashes DLC, I realise this may seem a petty gripe considering that Kasumi and Zaeed arrived in a similar fashion to the ME universe. However, compared to the other ME2 crewmembers they were never truely fleshed out from the design stage. For example, You could listen to them talk but not have conversations with them. Javik, by comparision, is fully fleshed out. Not only that but he is an integral part of the story tells us his experienced horrors of the Reapers first hand and knows what is about to hit the ppl of the current cycle. He adds to the main plot in a way Kasumi and Zaeed never did. That is why I believe he is, or should have been, a core game character instead of an add on.

On the topic of pricing, I'd advise reading the link below on how BW turned a $60 sale into a $80 sale using the From Ashes DLC.

http://www.ibtimes.c...g-dlc-ashes.htm

I understand that companies need to boost their sale figures during the launch period. Based on the two web links provided I expect we will see more of this kind of behaviour.

So Mr Ravanmyste. In answer to your assertions

Yes, I do know what I am talking about. And if you believe I am in error feel free to correct that error. Citing your sources helps too.

I never brought up the collectors edition. It's down to individual players to decide what edition to pick up. I am not saying that From Ashes should not have been DLC'd outright. I am saying that the content of that DLC and the effect it had on BW's sales figure raised an eyebrow over here. Companies have the right to do what they like with their products but consumers also have rights and protections to prevent us from being taken advantage of. How DLC and microtransactions will feed into this is, at the moment, unknown to me.

A game company cannot afford to alienate consumers by telling them to 'screw off' as you put it. Companies and especially their employee's deserve respect. But that goes the other way too. Companies must repect their customers. Not doing so can lead to a fall in the customers confidence and that usually means a fall in the amount of money they take in. If that doesn't make sense ask yourself this....... Would you give your money to someone you do not believe can deliver on their promise? Economic principles....... so much easier to understand when you combine psychology.

The collectors edition extra content was not technically free. The CE was more expensive than the standard edition..... Unless you found a really really good seller. Oh, and no I don't expect stuff in the CE to also appear in the SE. I decided to skip the extra gun and other content to get ME3 at a cheaper price while deciding for myself what other content I would choose. That said my pre-order did net me a funky gun.

And to your final point...... Why would I post on a Capcom board when it's a BW game I'm playing. So you know's, I do enjoy BW games as they have a level of mature storytelling in them I don't find in other games....... that often. however, if they fail to meet the standard I have come to expect of them. A standard they themselves have set through their own efforts then it is not only justified, but responsible to point out where we as players, felt they went wrong. Constructive feedback is a staple of gaming as witnessed throughout the ME trilogy. Game developers would have a hard time developing games in a feedback vacuum. Don't like the Mako, it's gone, do like the driving sections, here's the Hammerhead. Wail at scanning another planet of minerals? It's been stripped to basic. Want to see a new FemShep model? Vote here. Don't like her hair color? We can change it, vote here.

Hope that clarifies things for you.

Modifié par Redbelle, 21 mai 2012 - 10:33 .

[Ravenmyste]

Redbelle wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I don't want to wallow in ending misery but just to point something out.

ME2 DLC was wrapped up around a year after the initial launch date. ( I think that's right).

As such, ME3 DLC still has a wide window of DLC content to be released. Hopefully that will enhance or add to the single player mode. While a knee jerk fix to the ending might have been desired it assumes that BW don't have a long term plan for ME3 DLC content.

Come Aug BW will be present at a conference where BW's Fernando Melo will outline how the studio has organized and crafted a long-term plan for each of its major new releases. This may include DA and ME.

Despite the disappointment in the announcement that nothing will be changed and clarity added it does not entirely rule out a final chapter to be released at a later date.

Of greater interest atm for me is BW's plans on how it will manage it's DLC. From ashes has already raised questions of core game content being seperated and packaged individually. Should BW continue this trend it bodes ill for gamers who can no longer have confidence that game companies will not try and extract a little extra cash from their wallets.

nice trolling, and you dont know what youre talking about  at all lol, as for the "core" you hada chance to buy it when the collector edtion was selling  you fault for not taking advantage it, second  you should be glad that  EA decided to sell it instead iof  saying screw off to the ones that are complaing about the way they make money on things that   the collectors edition had  for "free". and you think that standard edtion  should get for  free you bought what you paid for..

if you really want to  make  statement  go post on capcom board and  cry about how you have to pay for a ending that should been in the game and selling its  a true ending

Oooooooo, kay. I think I need to provide a little clarification on what I posted for the benefit of the replier.

The first part of the post spoke of what we could expect from BW in terms of DLC. We have all seen the MP aspect of the DLC but not much on the single player front. Judging from BW's past efforts, looking at ME2 in particular, it is reasonable to assume BW will keep DLC content going for a year as DLC becomes a more integrated part of game design.

If you want a reference to that conference in which long term strategies BW will use for their titles the link here.

http://www.ibtimes.c...-effect-dlc.htm

The point is that BW are using long term strategies to handle their products after release so additional DLC that is a 'bonus' to the game can be expected. I'd be surprised if they didn't based on their track record. Therefore if BW do have extra ending gameplay in hand, the DLC production window goes on till next march.

On the matter of ME3 From Ashes DLC, I realise this may seem a petty gripe considering that Kasumi and Zaeed arrived in a similar fashion to the ME universe. However, compared to the other ME2 crewmembers they were never truely fleshed out from the design stage. For example, You could listen to them talk but not have conversations with them. Javik, by comparision, is fully fleshed out. Not only that but he is an integral part of the story tells us his experienced horrors of the Reapers first hand and knows what is about to hit the ppl of the current cycle. He adds to the main plot in a way Kasumi and Zaeed never did. That is why I believe he is, or should have been, a core game character instead of an add on.

On the topic of pricing, I'd advise reading the link below on how BW turned a $60 sale into a $80 sale using the From Ashes DLC.

http://www.ibtimes.c...g-dlc-ashes.htm

I understand that companies need to boost their sale figures during the launch period. Based on the two web links provided I expect we will see more of this kind of behaviour.

So Mr Ravanmyste. In answer to your assertions

Yes, I do know what I am talking about. And if you believe I am in error feel free to correct that error. Citing your sources helps too.

I never brought up the collectors edition. It's down to individual players to decide what edition to pick up. I am not saying that From Ashes should not have been DLC'd outright. I am saying that the content of that DLC and the effect it had on BW's sales figure raised an eyebrow over here. Companies have the right to do what they like with their products but consumers also have rights and protections to prevent us from being taken advantage of. How DLC and microtransactions will feed into this is, at the moment, unknown to me.

A game company cannot afford to alienate consumers by telling them to 'screw off' as you put it. Companies and especially their employee's deserve respect. But that goes the other way too. Companies must repect their customers. Not doing so can lead to a fall in the customers confidence and that usually means a fall in the amount of money they take in. If that doesn't make sense ask yourself this....... Would you give your money to someone you do not believe can deliver on their promise? Economic principles....... so much easier to understand when you combine psychology.

The collectors edition extra content was not technically free. The CE was more expensive than the standard edition..... Unless you found a really really good seller. Oh, and no I don't expect stuff in the CE to also appear in the SE. I decided to skip the extra gun and other content to get ME3 at a cheaper price while deciding for myself what other content I would choose. That said my pre-order did net me a funky gun.

And to your final point...... Why would I post on a Capcom board when it's a BW game I'm playing. So you know's, I do enjoy BW games as they have a level of mature storytelling in them I don't find in other games....... that often. however, if they fail to meet the standard I have come to expect of them. A standard they themselves have set through their own efforts then it is not only justified, but responsible to point out where we as players, felt they went wrong. Constructive feedback is a staple of gaming as witnessed throughout the ME trilogy. Game developers would have a hard time developing games in a feedback vacuum. Don't like the Mako, it's gone, do like the driving sections, here's the Hammerhead. Wail at scanning another planet of minerals? It's been stripped to basic. Want to see a new FemShep model? Vote here. Don't like her hair color? We can change it, vote here.

Hope that clarifies things for you.

ph this is going to be fun to see you crash sorry but you just failed


really then explain the Cerberus network which if you bought a old ME2 that didnt have it you was screwed to paying 12.bucks to get those free"dlcs" secondly you was told and bw even said that there was going to be free dlc day one from BW screw up or don't you remember the who going to be the free crew member and here i will go even deeper they made the mistake of stating it was going to be a prothy..

so yes EA did in fact make money of something big deal and to me my collectors edition that i got that had from the ashes was in fact free in my retrospect. i got alot more things that i loved out of game that standard owners didnt have, artbook "litho" tin case the sr2 avatar thing xboxlive avatars etc it may feel like so little to get and few other things that we get from the CE

Now on to your micro transactions:

you can in fact buy mostly everything separate that was in the CE but YOU END UP PAYING FOR IT ALOT MORE IN THE LONG RUN the ce was in fact good way to get all these things before they started selling every item except the comic the tin case and ce version of the artbook and the avatars and ce weapons you will run into over hundred dollars{pre price drop}

go check: the the dog, hoodie, appearance alternates, ashes and few other things...

and yes the companies can in fact say screw off to anyone that didnt buy the collectors editions and demanding that ashes be free, listed as selling that was in the ce by mildly put here you can buy the things that we put in the DLC day one see we are giving you a chance to buy what we already gave the ce owers got on launch, but you need to fork over the money for it. then came the from the ashes should been free hoopla that was on these very and them stating that the dlc was created separately boards..

as for the funky gun which one did you buy or should i say where did you order.. almost every aspect of the day launch had a "funky gun" added to the game by a ~gasp~ dlc

recently capcom released a game that had a ending that people thought was the good ending to their game and had it billed but the masses found out that the ending they got wasn't the real ending and few other things should been the game like Get the true ending of said game for 1.99 and get the lost chapters and such day one see this is what i mean and the list went on and on and people found out that true ending to the game i cant remember the name of it,but you can see it youtube and few other places on the on internet about them..

and it even spilled on here after the bw episode on the ashes being compared to that game's micro where they sold a ending that you got Regardless of was actually generic to the players that did the best thing in the game that capcom made and was sold as one true ending and few other things was locked on the disc hence why i brought capcom into are discussion..


so yes while you saying the customer feed back is the staple of feed back to all companies.. not all feed back is what you call feed back some is with rational feed back shown proof of you said feed back then going into explanation.. as for the long term dlc chris even said after the EC there will be sp dlc you can already tell there going to be few things that will be good to see the taking back omega, helping javik with the new places he mentioned in the game when he had that flashback

[Redbelle]

You have made an assumption that ME2 was bought second hand. It was not. It just wasn't bought during the launch period of the game. Incidently the strength of the ME2 experence led to the pre-order of ME3,

The CE editon content was not 'free' as you keep declaring. You paid more for your CE than I did for my SE.I think we'll have to agree to disagree on a few points. But I'd like to make one final point. you say that buying the CE is cheaper in the long run. Yes that is true......... If you really want all the stuff that comes with it.

For me and others like me buying the CE would be false economy as my primary interest is the game. Not the tin case or the extra's bundled into it.Therefore, while cheaper if you want all the CE extra's, if you don't want the CE extra's, and just want a disc with the game it is cheaper to go SE. From Ashes may have been bundled with the CE, but you paid for it with the higher price of the CE.

On the subject of ME2 DLC. I bought all the mission packs, but not the extra costume packs on the grounds that the characters and the missions are more important to me than what they wear. This worked out cheaper in the long run. It's the way buying ME3 will work too. The customer can choose what to buy and what not to buy based on what they think the DLC will add to the gaming experience. I admit that hoodie looks cool, but I cannot see how to justify parting with my hard earned cash to make Shep look different.

Funnily enough I thought Retaking Omega would be a great DLC story line too. Getting Aria more screen time would be great.

Do you have a web link where Chris mentions extra SP DLC? It would be nice to have a read through.

[Ravenmyste]

Redbelle wrote...

You have made an assumption that ME2 was bought second hand. It was not. It just wasn't bought during the launch period of the game. Incidently the strength of the ME2 experence led to the pre-order of ME3,

The CE editon content was not 'free' as you keep declaring. You paid more for your CE than I did for my SE.I think we'll have to agree to disagree on a few points. But I'd like to make one final point. you say that buying the CE is cheaper in the long run. Yes that is true......... If you really want all the stuff that comes with it.

For me and others like me buying the CE would be false economy as my primary interest is the game. Not the tin case or the extra's bundled into it.Therefore, while cheaper if you want all the CE extra's, if you don't want the CE extra's, and just want a disc with the game it is cheaper to go SE. From Ashes may have been bundled with the CE, but you paid for it with the higher price of the CE.

On the subject of ME2 DLC. I bought all the mission packs, but not the extra costume packs on the grounds that the characters and the missions are more important to me than what they wear. This worked out cheaper in the long run. It's the way buying ME3 will work too. The customer can choose what to buy and what not to buy based on what they think the DLC will add to the gaming experience. I admit that hoodie looks cool, but I cannot see how to justify parting with my hard earned cash to make Shep look different.

Funnily enough I thought Retaking Omega would be a great DLC story line too. Getting Aria more screen time would be great.

Do you have a web link where Chris mentions extra SP DLC? It would be nice to have a read through.

on his twitter account for the sp info..he does say after EC there will be sp dlc sometime after{ i looked last night saw it  but now i cant even find it due how much chris tweets}

i hope it is it will be omega or helping javik{ i  would think that the places he saw would be nice to see in the current timeline and maybe find him female prothy} but i do hope it it is

i dont have the link i also think it was said  on here not sure a week ago

didnt buy me2 second hand, mines was stolen out of the case little orange plastic card was missing from what i found out walmart repackaged it  didnt think to see what was in the other cases at the time { you can see how fun that would be }before they added those plastic strips on the top and sides to show that it sealed properly and i also bought every one except the  alternate appearnces  as well for me2

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 22 mai 2012 - 07:49 .

[Redbelle]

Sorry to hear what happened to your copy of ME2. Karma will get them, hopefully by waking up to find a Banchee lying next to them.

Either that or we could send Chikktika vas Paus to track them down