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plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

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This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.

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People can't just play and ignore what was done because if there isn't a true and strong variation like there has been in the endings like, nothing is required to happen but things can go either way. Most people get a sense of hopelessness and see no point in continuing to play because there choices are largely irrelevant so they just don't because of how they spent years playing this game and ended up with no closure, but instead unacceptable disappointment. So, basically people won't play because the ending is just way too set in stone that there character is simply doomed in the end.
Yet again i am unsure if I should have said anything but i will anyway.

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simfamSP wrote...
The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.

What has been seen cannot be unseen..
/depressed mode activated...

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simfamSP wrote...

plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

fixed


This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.


Those last 20 minutes negate everything that came before them. And to me... Shepard would NEVER have just been oh ok... When given those choices. He would have fought for something more. Bioware not only screwed over those of us that feel let down by these so called endings... But IMO bioware let down the very characters they created.

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Vasparian wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

fixed


This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.


Those last 20 minutes negate everything that came before them. And to me... Shepard would NEVER have just been oh ok... When given those choices. He would have fought for something more. Bioware not only screwed over those of us that feel let down by these so called endings... But IMO bioware let down the very characters they created.


This x10

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simfamSP wrote...

plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

fixed


This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.



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Hi

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Stiven1234 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

fixed


This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.


Because those last 20 minutes inform us all of our decisions were not worth spit and change nothing.

Theres also the part where they deliberately lied to us, but I won't remind everyone of that.

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LordHelfort wrote...

Stiven1234 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

fixed


This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.


Because those last 20 minutes inform us all of our decisions were not worth spit and change nothing.

Theres also the part where they deliberately lied to us, but I won't remind everyone of that.


While I understand the upset with the ending, I can kind of understand it, the key phrase is "kind of."

The reapers are supposed to be this dominate race that can't be stopped, basically. So following this logic that they can't be stop, you have to assume that most of the decisions made don't mean squat. You're doomed regardless what you do. Again while, I don't like it, as I would like to think that my shep's decisions makes some difference in the outcome, to be doomed from the start means exactly that. Hell even the harbinger says it at the end of ME2 with the comment 'your actions makes no difference.'

Sucks but meh it works for the game IF that's the lesson they're trying to teach us, like "let's be honest, you think one humans actions really changes a entire universes future?"

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If that's the case, then what the hell was even the point of this game series? That's flawed logic if I've ever seen it.

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Agamemnon2589 wrote...

If that's the case, then what the hell was even the point of this game series? That's flawed logic if I've ever seen it.


The experience of thinking you can change things? That's what it's about, i suppose. It wouldn't be the first time a idea like this was use in a game or even in a movie. Hell think about the matrix or deus ex or any thing revolving fate and predestination.

Yeah when you look back at it, it seems like a waste of time, worrying how each decision changes the future, but it is what it is... I GUESS. Again I'm not backing BW if this is what they were going for, but it does make sense. I mean shep does defy fate as you have it a number of times throughout the ME games. How long can that run last?

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nitsaj wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Stiven1234 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

plnero wrote...

Anareth wrote...

mazariamonti wrote...

"There is a vocal minority majority who are not satisfied with infuriated by the ending, we know your concerns and you can rest assured that we are releasing a DLC character free retcon."

fixed


This.

If they don't fix it Bioware will be losing a lot of loyal customers.


The game is brilliant. Why does everyone forget that for those last 20 mins? I hate the endings too... but I still remember what an amazing experience it was getting there.


Because those last 20 minutes inform us all of our decisions were not worth spit and change nothing.

Theres also the part where they deliberately lied to us, but I won't remind everyone of that.


While I understand the upset with the ending, I can kind of understand it, the key phrase is "kind of."

The reapers are supposed to be this dominate race that can't be stopped, basically. So following this logic that they can't be stop, you have to assume that most of the decisions made don't mean squat. You're doomed regardless what you do. Again while, I don't like it, as I would like to think that my shep's decisions makes some difference in the outcome, to be doomed from the start means exactly that. Hell even the harbinger says it at the end of ME2 with the comment 'your actions makes no difference.'

Sucks but meh it works for the game IF that's the lesson they're trying to teach us, like "let's be honest, you think one humans actions really changes a entire universes future?"


That is against the games logic, which is to defy odds and prove doubters wrong

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Well not logic, but the point of the game so why would they change it form having such triumphant endings to essentially a huge failure, it was also predicted by the reapers none the less which just adds insult to injury.

Modifié par slyguy200, 11 mars 2012 - 10:05 .


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slyguy200 wrote...

That is against the games logic, which is to defy odds and prove doubters wrong


Again, it didn't say this IS the point, just that this COULD be what the game is about with the ending it has. And yeah I agree this defys the point of the game, but they never said that shep could defy ALL odds. It'll be the first to admit, it's a shallow SHALLOW lesson, if this is the case, and I'm not happy with it either but I've seen worse endings that REALLY MAKES ZERO SENSE (I'm looking at you ffxiii-2).

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Shepard truly can't always defy all odds, but the main problem is that the way they make things is completely out of the blue (and is therefore unneeded/unimaginative) and isn't something that can be easily dealt with, and theres the happy ending thing (which I am sure is the main upset), Only one true possibility and a less than enjoyable cut-scene.

Modifié par slyguy200, 11 mars 2012 - 10:54 .


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slyguy200 wrote...

Shepard truly can't defy all odds, but the main problem is that the way they make him die is completely out of the blue (therefore unneeded) and isn't something that can be worked around, so there isn't a happy ending which I am sure is the main upset, Only death (or near death) and a depressing cut-scene.


Might want to edit that for spoilers.

But yeah i agree, it's less than satisfactory.

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I will make note to avoid spoilers

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Lol. Someone is going to have a field day at PAX this year (with regard to the ending of me3 if you don't know what I mean).

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It was all just a dream *rocking in the dark corner shaking*

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Hopefully gamers and fans ask questions and not the easily placated gaming media.

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Prepare to get poked and prodded about the subpar ME3 ending. I might even try to go, just to see how the panel reacts to being asked why they thought the endings were a good idea.

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I think I might take back everything I said about Bioware if this prove true...everyone here should read this! http://social.biowar...index/9727423/1 makes too much sense and why we were told to hold onto the saves,read posts about the indoctrination and save game files,you'll see many things are missing even in the save files.I refused to purchase the game cause of the endings but now I don't care and I'll just buy,this thread gave me hope and it's very logical,if I could I'd post this on every thread about ME3 but since I don't own the game I can't,I only hope enough people see it and give Bioware a chance.Even if I support ending DLC or whatever to complete it,just please read this post,I for one did NOT regret it,it actually makes me wanna buy the game and complete my collection.

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Well, I really hope they will solve the problem like you said (like the person in linked post said, really). It really makes sense and opens the door for dark matter theories and Shep indoctrination (damn you Ashley! You were right about that!)

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Lets just hope this IS what they intended and not just a theory and they'll release something after the game hits Asia,makes too much sense not to be true,I want to believe that...this series is way too good to end like this.

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They're gonna set up rules so you can't ask "true" questions. They always do this kind of garbage after something akin to Hurricane Katrina.

long story short
let us ask you to FIX the damn ending.