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[Sashimi_taco]

Wildecker wrote...

Just wondering: after Frodo Baggins got the Ring job done, he didn't live happily ever after. So hands up: who threw his copy of "The Lord of the Rings" out the window?

What? yes he did. He went to live with the elves! 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

DragonRageGT wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Good job. I always love to see people who don't struggle with indeciison. You can leave now.

Why don't you leave and go walking to Canada so you can suck up to them in person?
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Like many others, I don't play Mass Effect for its awesome gameplay. Particularly because it is nothing awesome. I have a huge list of game with better gameplay mechanics, shooter or no shooter. I'm still impressed with KoA's responsiveness and smart config of commands where Interact, Sprint and Roll are all done with separated keys instead of the 4-functions-in-one-key-b/s.  Sure, there is no cover in that game but it doesn't matter. It is the best combat gameplay control scheme in a long time.

I play ME for the story and characters and while I could care less how bad the ending may be, I do care a lot if it will be worthy a replay. Any RPG that don't make me crave for the next playthrough at least 20 times is not a worthy RPG, to me.

If I want a real journey being more important than the destination, I play FormulaOne 2011 with full length races. It will be a hell of a journey, with the proper car setup, even if the destination is a concrete wall during the race. (Not usual but it may happen)

The RagedDragon has spoken.

[KBomb]

MercenaryNo wrote...

Well if we're going to take it that far, then how often do you get your panties in a bunch and contact the director of a movie to tell him the movies were awesome, but that last 20 minutes was retarded and he/she can expect a bunch of angry letters from you for the next few days until they change it to your liking? 

I'm not against your opinion of the endings, I'm not saying they couldn't be better, or have more of them.  My argument is how absurd everyone is being over this, I mean it really is kind of sad how the video game consumer market has plunged into this massive cess pool of "Give me this or else," type of attitude.  I honestly feel bad for anyone who works in this industry, because they have to sift through so much bull **** to find anything logical or constructive.  I honestly have trouble finding anything vaguely resembling a shadow of common sense on video game forums now days, it's really a bit depressing how many people there are who obsess over trivial details and small aspects of any given product.

Actually now I'm pretty curious if there isn't a mental or psychological catalogue for this type of behavior, going to have to investigate.  If I can blame it on a mental deficiency of some kind I will have at least a little hope for video game communities.

 
People get angry over movie endings all the time. If someone sees a movie and they dislike it, more likely than not they won't watch a second or third. If they loved the first movie and the second doesn't add up, people do express their anger. No one is advocating abuse of developers, well—at least most aren't. You get nutjobs on both sides. Some of these sycophants around here are absolutely scary in their devotion and yet I do not lump the average fan in with them.


Video games are different in the aspect of price, personal investment, as well as time investment. I spend hard earned money to purchase a game. I give up personal and social time to play said game. If I want to complain about the ending being illogical, out of context with the lore, or just plain stupid—I can do that. That is my right as a consumer. Just as it's your right as a consumer to be completely thrilled with your purchase and sing it's praises. I agree that no one should be abusive with their concerns and opinions, but again, I have seen a lot of “devoted fans” being completely abusive to those who disagree with them.


If you can't handle seeing people expressing opposing opinions and expressing concerns with a product they are purchasing because it “depresses” you, then I suggest you skip threads which are used for discussing varying aspects of a game and stick with the “Oh Thank you, Bioware! We love you!” threads.

[MercenaryNo]

KBomb wrote...

MercenaryNo wrote...

Well if we're going to take it that far, then how often do you get your panties in a bunch and contact the director of a movie to tell him the movies were awesome, but that last 20 minutes was retarded and he/she can expect a bunch of angry letters from you for the next few days until they change it to your liking? 

I'm not against your opinion of the endings, I'm not saying they couldn't be better, or have more of them.  My argument is how absurd everyone is being over this, I mean it really is kind of sad how the video game consumer market has plunged into this massive cess pool of "Give me this or else," type of attitude.  I honestly feel bad for anyone who works in this industry, because they have to sift through so much bull **** to find anything logical or constructive.  I honestly have trouble finding anything vaguely resembling a shadow of common sense on video game forums now days, it's really a bit depressing how many people there are who obsess over trivial details and small aspects of any given product.

Actually now I'm pretty curious if there isn't a mental or psychological catalogue for this type of behavior, going to have to investigate.  If I can blame it on a mental deficiency of some kind I will have at least a little hope for video game communities.

If you can't handle seeing people expressing opposing opinions and expressing concerns with a product they are purchasing because it “depresses” you, then I suggest you skip threads which are used for discussing varying aspects of a game and stick with the “Oh Thank you, Bioware! We love you!” threads.

There is a massive difference between expression of displeasure in a constructive manner, and then throwing a tantrum.  The majority of this board is the latter, what's depressing is I'm assuming a lot of them are adults, which is scary.  I blame internet anonymity, if people were represented in real life they would not be so whiny and absurdly narcissistic.

[Jackal7713]

OP here is a quote entirely for the purpose of humor given the situation: "Don't ****** in my pocket and tell me its raining." That what I feel like bioware is doing to some of the fans with these endings. If they happen to be true.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 02 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[KBomb]

MercenaryNo wrote...

There is a massive difference between expression of displeasure in a constructive manner, and then throwing a tantrum.  The majority of this board is the latter, what's depressing is I'm assuming a lot of them are adults, which is scary.  I blame internet anonymity, if people were represented in real life they would not be so whiny and absurdly narcissistic.

 
And there is a massive difference between legitimate concerns and trolls. There are plenty of them on the “pro” side too. How many threads—like this one—pop up just to try to get a rise out of someone who has issues with the game? How many “TO ALL YOU HATERS” threads pop up. Or how about the posters who pop up every.single.time someone complains about the endings, you know the ones who ignore every opposition and stance made and instead insists the only reason anyone is upset is “because they wanted a sunshine and bunny endings, omg get a life it's war!” That is just as immature. It goes both ways.


People have the right to be concerned about the endings.

[Aetius5]

hydn631 wrote...

 "The journey is more important than the destination"- unknown

"You can't always get what you want, And if you try sometimes you find, You get what you need"- The Rolling Stones

Please, consider that the ending, whether you like it or not, is just a part of a whole. The entire game will not be bad if you think the ending is, which i doubt it will be to any tolerant person. Bioware has poured their hearts and souls into the mass effect series, and all of their work. If you even consider yourself a fan, you would only appreciate what they have done. I personally can't stand to see such intolerance and undeserved thoughts of entitilement from "fans" who think they wont like an ending they havent even played because they dont want to risk not liking it. Give a chance to the men and women who have given us such amazing games in the past. Give thanks to these individuals who have given hours of entertainment to you.

All I know is that if they screw up 3 as bad as everyone says, my Shepard died on teh suicide mission in ME2. He needn't live to see this garbage unfold.

[KainrycKarr]

Eterna5 wrote...

I agree. Did anyone really expect this to end in sunshine and happiness?

Okay just freaking ENOUGH with these stupid sunshine/bunnies/rainbows type comments.

NOONE was expecting a super happy ending. But most of us expected at least one possible ending that ended well for our Shepard, and his/her LI. That small thing does NOT equal a "Sunshine and rainbow bunnies" ending.

We just wanted SOME kind of reward for fighting so hard through three games to fight this massive ending, and having something a little more tangible than what we were given.

[Jackal7713]

KBomb wrote...

MercenaryNo wrote...

There is a massive difference between expression of displeasure in a constructive manner, and then throwing a tantrum.  The majority of this board is the latter, what's depressing is I'm assuming a lot of them are adults, which is scary.  I blame internet anonymity, if people were represented in real life they would not be so whiny and absurdly narcissistic.

 
And there is a massive difference between legitimate concerns and trolls. There are plenty of them on the “pro” side too. How many threads—like this one—pop up just to try to get a rise out of someone who has issues with the game? How many “TO ALL YOU HATERS” threads pop up. Or how about the posters who pop up every.single.time someone complains about the endings, you know the ones who ignore every opposition and stance made and instead insists the only reason anyone is upset is “because they wanted a sunshine and bunny endings, omg get a life it's war!” That is just as immature. It goes both ways.


People have the right to be concerned about the endings.

Kbomb- Great post! People need to show more respect to one another over the difference in opinions. If the endings weren't grimdark, I would show support to those players that wanted that kind of ending, because after playing whats going to be three different games, they would have a right to get a choice for that kind of ending. And for a game thats has always been about choices that a major problem.
But for people to be like " your a hater" becuase you want a choice, thats some BS. Show some civility. If not for others, do it for yourself. If some people wanted "sunshine and bunnies" respect their choice.You don't have to be condescending or rude. Like I said show some civility.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 02 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Homebound]

I miss when games were fun.

[Aggie Punbot]

MercenaryNo wrote...

Well if we're going to take it that far, then how often do you get your panties in a bunch and contact the director of a movie to tell him the movies were awesome, but that last 20 minutes was retarded and he/she can expect a bunch of angry letters from you for the next few days until they change it to your liking? 

That's why most movies have focus groups. That's where the director allows a bunch of people in to watch the movie and rate it. If the ending (or any particular part of it) gets an overwhelmingly negative reaction, it is likely scrapped and refilmed. One example of this is My Best Friend's Wedding. In the original ending, people didn't like the fact that Julia Roberts's character was so unrepentant and didn't actually suffer any repercussions for her behavior. Thus, it was rewritten and filmed so that her attitude changed and she did get her comeuppance. The result? A rather hefty box office purse.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 02 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Aetius5]

TS2Aggie wrote...

MercenaryNo wrote...

Well if we're going to take it that far, then how often do you get your panties in a bunch and contact the director of a movie to tell him the movies were awesome, but that last 20 minutes was retarded and he/she can expect a bunch of angry letters from you for the next few days until they change it to your liking? 

That's why most movies have focus groups. That's where the director allows a bunch of people in to watch the movie and rate it. If the ending (or any particular part of it) gets an overwhelmingly negative reaction, it is likely scrapped and refilmed. One example of this is My Best Friend's Wedding. In the original ending, people didn't like the fact that Julia Roberts's character was so unrepentant and didn't actually suffer any repercussions for her behavior. Thus, it was rewritten and filmed so that her attitude changed and she did get her comeuppance. The result? A rather hefty box office purse.

Right on, regarding this. The original ending for Eurotrip was a total drag. It was totally stupid considering the movie is a comedy and for it to end on a sad note would of been travesty. Luckily, like the other poster mentioned, the focus group hated it and the director changed the ending. Sure it may not be as realistic or whatever, but to sit people through a multi-hour experience with no payoff is pretty much a big middle finger to your face.

[chaosomegas]

Quartof wrote...

A bad destination can ruin the journey.

 but we all have same destination i call it abc a is 4 born  b is 4 pay taxs c is 4 death if is last game for shepherd at less he/she take reapers down with them plus it looks like shepherd will never pay taxs after me3lol 

[Dorko525]

Youknow wrote...

hydn631 wrote...

 "The journey is more important than the destination"- unknown

"You can't always get what you want, And if you try sometimes you find, You get what you need"- The Rolling Stones

Please, consider that the ending, whether you like it or not, is just a part of a whole. The entire game will not be bad if you think the ending is, which i doubt it will be to any tolerant person. Bioware has poured their hearts and souls into the mass effect series, and all of their work. If you even consider yourself a fan, you would only appreciate what they have done. I personally can't stand to see such intolerance and undeserved thoughts of entitilement from "fans" who think they wont like an ending they havent even played because they dont want to risk not liking it. Give a chance to the men and women who have given us such amazing games in the past. Give thanks to these individuals who have given hours of entertainment to you.

The journey is not more important than the destination. 

If I'm going on a journey to my friend's house, and I end up in hell, I'm going to be pissed. If I'm going on a journey to hell, and I end up in hell. I'm going to say "as expected." If I survive hell, great. If not, then fine. The problem here, is that you've essentially averted "hell" twice in this series. Had Mass Effect 3 been the first one, I guarantee no one would have been too upset if these were the endings.

In most stories, I don't get what I want. But even if I don't, there's still a satisfaction with the story being completed... Here...? It feels a bit empty honestly. Let me make this clear for you: 

ME2, you can die at the end. However, dying in ME2 doesn't feel bad. You feel accomplished, you've set out to do what you've done. Like Miranda said, it was likely to be a one way trip, and it was. Still, the death wasn't hollow. It had meaning (in the context of Mass Effect 2). 

Versus ME3...?

^^ THIS 
+bajillion x Infinity
Edit: quote probs

Modifié par Dorko525, 02 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Aetius5 wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

MercenaryNo wrote...

Well if we're going to take it that far, then how often do you get your panties in a bunch and contact the director of a movie to tell him the movies were awesome, but that last 20 minutes was retarded and he/she can expect a bunch of angry letters from you for the next few days until they change it to your liking? 

That's why most movies have focus groups. That's where the director allows a bunch of people in to watch the movie and rate it. If the ending (or any particular part of it) gets an overwhelmingly negative reaction, it is likely scrapped and refilmed. One example of this is My Best Friend's Wedding. In the original ending, people didn't like the fact that Julia Roberts's character was so unrepentant and didn't actually suffer any repercussions for her behavior. Thus, it was rewritten and filmed so that her attitude changed and she did get her comeuppance. The result? A rather hefty box office purse.

Right on, regarding this. The original ending for Eurotrip was a total drag. It was totally stupid considering the movie is a comedy and for it to end on a sad note would of been travesty. Luckily, like the other poster mentioned, the focus group hated it and the director changed the ending. Sure it may not be as realistic or whatever, but to sit people through a multi-hour experience with no payoff is pretty much a big middle finger to your face.

And BW will shove that fat finger in the fans' faces, pat themselves on the back, and take a lovely stroll to the bank. As much as i hate to admit it, BW knows they can get away with it.

Modifié par ithurtz, 02 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[xsdob]

xtorma wrote...

hydn631 wrote...

A bad destination can dampen the journey, but if the journey was enjoyable then you must have gotten something out of it.

You are correct, some folks just don't want to pay full price to get kicked in the nads at the end. It's not a very good shooter, its saving grace, in my opinion was story. People are not as upset at the endings as they are at the fate of shep and his crew.

I think it's a small thing to ask for, and would not change the larger ending. Regardless it is not going to happen. what we've seen is what we get, so the question for some now moves from...will i be dissapointed to...will i pay to be disappointed. It's not an unexpected progression.

You two must hate so much literature and stories if you've taken that viewpoint.

Shakespeare? what a jerk, why couldn't his characters like Romeo, Macbeth, or Hamlet have had a happy ending.

The Dark Knight? Harvey Dies!? Booooooooo! this movie sucks now, chis nolan and legendary pictures betrayed all of the batman fans.

Dragon Age? Someone has to die to kill the archdemon? Noooooo! Morrigan, take me now so that I can survive this battle!

Its's called a tradgedy, and shepard is the tragic hero. The sooner you and all the other complainers accept that the better.

[NaPo1eon]

A bad destination can easily ruin the journey.

It's not even a bad destination though.

It's a bad destination where Bioware kicks you in the nads and spits on you while the Reapers make teh sexy timez with your wife and shake hands with Peter Molyneux.

[Confused-Shepard]

Hell I wanted an ending where 10% of the Reapers survive and retreat to unexplored parts of the galaxy. The galaxy is crippled and tensions are high as the Citadel government has fallen and most species have to fend for themselves. Earth is gone, just an empty husk and Shepard vows to find the remaining Reapers who in turn would start exploiting the divided galaxy situation.

Now that would be equally depressing and realistic but not as stupid or contrived as what we get.
One ending would be similar to CONTROL except Shepard declares himself supreme overlord of the galaxy and becoming a Knight Templar character or sorts enforcing his rule with iron tentacles.

[shin-zan]

And in this case the "destination" flat out invalidates, ignores or undoes the achievements of the journey.

Geth and Quarians made peace? Geth blow up so it's moot anyway.
Saved the Citatel? It blows up.
Saved Feros, Noveria? Without supplies, they and countless other colonies are likely screwed.
Got Humanity a seat on the council/Got an All Human Council? The galactic community's gone, there's no more need for a council.

There's much more of this stuff like Turians and Quarians on earth starving without a dextro food source, krogans on Tchunkara going back to blowing each other up without Wrex's leadership...

The only achievement is that you save Earth... and frankly I didn't give a darn about Earth, would have rather sacrificed it to keep the relays. Might work for a Renegade who's all pro human, but my Shephard was doing this to save the galaxy, I wouldn't mind some sacrifices to keep the galactic comunity going, as it stands the sacrifices just don't feel like they were worth it...

Modifié par shin-zan, 02 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[J-Reyno]

xsdob wrote...

You two must hate so much literature and stories if you've taken that viewpoint.

Shakespeare? what a jerk, why couldn't his characters like Romeo, Macbeth, or Hamlet have had a happy ending.

The Dark Knight? Harvey Dies!? Booooooooo! this movie sucks now, chis nolan and legendary pictures betrayed all of the batman fans.

Dragon Age? Someone has to die to kill the archdemon? Noooooo! Morrigan, take me now so that I can survive this battle!

Its's called a tradgedy, and shepard is the tragic hero. The sooner you and all the other complainers accept that the better.

Ha, funny, because up until now Shepard has not been a tragic hero.  He has been an epic hero.  Sure, there are losses, but many of these you can mitigate or have the option to choose one thing or another - in which case you usually have a preference anyway, like the VS.  So it's still positive.  At least for the ME2 ending you could choose whether you wanted utter tragedy, total victory, or somewhere in-between (which is what I opted for).  Me3 on the other hand just takes a chunk of tragedy and shoves it down your throat, because I guess that's the cool thing to do... or something.  

I think the most annoying part to people is that because Shepard has been an epic hero up until this point, but BW decided they wanted to flip the scripts during the final hour.  I don't think many have been playing under the premise that Shepard would be royally screwed during the finale.  Losses expected?  Totally.  But no respite whatsoever for our hardworking Shep?  Wtf.

I know that for me, personally, I'm totally cool with the whole sending the galaxy into a dark age just to annhiliate the Reaper threat.  What I would have liked, though, is for Shepard to have been stranded with the normandy crew instead of being given the "DEAD OR FOREVER ALONE" finger.  That would have been a perfectly bittersweet ending, as the galaxy we have enjoyed for these three games is gone, but our Shep still gets to live out his days with those who have been by his side.  

But no, ME3 seeks to remind us that life sucks then you die.  Unless you're a crippled robosexual space pilot who gets his commander killed out of stubbornness while he's trying to save your life and leaves that very commander,  who is trying to save the galaxy, behind in an attempt to escape to your own safety.  Then you're good.  Here, enjoy your sexbot.

[AkiKishi]

Is the journey worth the time it takes to get to the destination.

In ME2 it was, if you rushed the game you got a bad end. In ME3 even if you do everything you get a bad end. I don't see the logic in that at all.

That's just wasting my time with timesinks that make a short game look longer and ultimately have no purpose.

[FlyingWalrus]

There was a sizeable thread a few months ago making the case that a lot of people wanted a "more mature ending." As in 'realistic,' 'bittersweet,' and so on. You know, post-modern ideas.

Now we have an entire subsection on fire because it looks like Bioware delivered on that. You freaking people.

[Broder O]

Mature does not equate tragedy

[Aggie Punbot]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

There was a sizeable thread a few months ago making the case that a lot of people wanted a "more mature ending." As in 'realistic,' 'bittersweet,' and so on. You know, post-modern ideas.

Now we have an entire subsection on fire because it looks like Bioware delivered on that. You freaking people.

I didn't really think this needed explaining but I guess it does.

The same people wanting the depressing "f*ck everything" ending are not the same people that are pissed about the endings we've been given.

[shin-zan]

And it's not as if they couldn't do both, we were supposed to get multiple endings so one could have been the happy sunshine bunnies, the other the depressing grimdark one we get now.